was not an isolated event, it highlighted the whole question of press freedom, of turn in a skilled one doing their job. they were certainly aiming in the direction that the terms of the 0 world looks at the number of journalists killed into occupied palestinian territories, which has increased dramatically during the war on gaza. and at the problems of holding any one accountable for the desk. shooting the messenger $10.00 to 0. yvonne shoots down is really drawn from the latest consultation global calls for the strains, both east and west, the front of more conflict could move to the region and the world. so what's the 2nd thing in yvonne and israel and what's next? this is inside story. the

hello and welcome to the program. i'm elizabeth put on them. yvonne and israel have for to vote and the shadows for years despise as well. never in missing it's part. but both sides now appear to have time that at each other directly. what was the remote possibility just a year ago as now of reality with the side striking at each other from the soil world leaders a cooling on his riley and devante and officials to de escalate the situation fearing of region already the stabilize by as well as one, gaza will be driven further into chaos. so where is this leading? what are the views in each country and in the us, israel's chief, allied on supplier? we'll get to, i guess, to the moment, but for us this report from image and kinda 3 drawings shot done by runs defense systems slowing or is behind provence. facilities which are part of it runs nuclear program, located the, including an underground enrichment site in the city in a tonnes. do you,

i just let us know until i'm done 2 or 3 hours earlier at midnight sounds or heard and it's a hands sky. based on the information we acquired, several small drawings were flying in the sky, which will fly it up until this moment it's a hands, a thirty's, haven't given us any information. no casualties of damage have been reported to us and you get a regulatory body. the i a, a just confirm that you could have facilities with not hit the latest developments launched by wrong, of moving 300 joins and missiles and its 1st ever direct attack on these ro, most intercepted by israel. and it's on always the attack was in retaliation for it is really bowman of the reigning consulate building in damascus. earlier this month to generals, if the rainy and revolution we got room on 7 people code i knew about israel has so far remain silent on responsibility for that. i'm not trying to tackle new wrong, but responding to close to restraint from the visiting profession. german 4

administered on wednesday, 5 minutes to nothing. you all who reserve the right to act? the thoughts are long. i want to make it clear that's we'll make our own decisions and the state to be as well. we'll do everything necessary to defend itself. it was the us, the confirmed, the drawing to talk is carried out by israel saying the bug administration was warned on 1st day. an attack was imminent, but were showed that iran, you could have facilities would not be damaged. let me simply 1st of all, repeat what our focus has been and what it remains to the escalation avoiding conflicts and so yes. calling on all concerned to exercise restraint. that's what we've been doing over the last couple of weeks and as necessary. that's what we'll continue to do. the danger isn't really volatile. situation worsening. is butch, the united, the rest of the world, the us, china, russia and the you for one speaking almost as one,

hoping that tensions with ease. we have to do all everything possible that all sides refrain from the escalation in that region. it is absolutely necessary that the region states stable ends at all sides, refrain from further action. critics, if these ready prime minister, so the flare up with a wrong helps deflect attention away from his genocide a warrant garza, while the risk of military conflict between enrolling and israel persist, fees remain of the humanitarian and economic consequences. such a confrontation, not just for the region, but for the wide world imaging kimber, which is 0, the inside story, the that spring. and i guess now input on mohammed on the dean of faculty of world studies at the university of fed on instead of eve, gideon levy economist for the hearts newspaper and, and london roxanne farm on for my and professor of modern middle east politics at

the university of cambridge, a very warm welcome to all of you, mr. levy. i'll start with you in tennessee. what was as well as message to yvonne with these attacks. the message was quite clear. we can, we might but for the time being really stream. and then the side thing cause a very general message, it's very rare that they can say in some good above, it is only 40 seen. but this is one of the moments in which at least they didn't go winds and did something very, very measure. and i know that by this we are contributing this vicious circle and then the next one, a miss farmer. and so mind israel's national security minister at the my bank of via tweeted after the attack, just one would feeble. what does this tell us about the internal politics and as well right now, and who's in charge? well, i think we have normally seen that the israelis have tended to hit back very hard

if they are head, it's part of the policy that goes all the back way back to ben green. and i think we also had expected that there could be really serious escalation from the comments that benjamin netanyahu made after the ronnie and show what force in retaliation for the is rarely hitting of its own dom damascus consulate. so i think there was the anticipation that this could go considerably further. and i would agree with a get in that the, that it's quite a release that in fact both iran and israel seem to have practiced some restraint and that they are looking to wind this down hopefully. okay. mr. mate on the, how is this being viewed in yvonne, this fairmont for mine was saying that you know, both of on it and as well have practice unrestrained the criticism of yvonne and

its attack on april 15th of more than 300, sending more than 300 missiles and drones is not restrained. so how is around view and you know, 3 drawings coming coming across a lot. i think the iranian strikes was misrepresented for the benefit to be it's randy of machine. first of all, the running and i've shown patients for a very long period of time when you run in advisors and soldiers and officers were in syria fighting isis. and i'll find it this way. these would attack the ryans but because they wanted and they, they was helping the highest as an outcry that they were alongside people on height . and but at that time, the focus was on syria and to stabilize it from and prevent it from falling denmore recently. again, that is right of your machine structure to running officers. and the wrong is again showed patients. but when they struck the embassy that was

a very important red line, because after that, then there's really regime could strike embassy after embassy and get away with this. so the run is felt they had to respond and respond severely. but what are you running into? did was they didn't carry out heavy strike. they sent they, they actually would try out the very spark corporation based cent, roughly, i don't know, 200 drones. all of them very old drones. and they were decoys, and it took 4 or 5 hours for them to get to how this time. and when they got close, they sent to 6 sets of miss house ultimate files. that again were decoys and to $10.00 to $20.00 more modern mishaps. so the drones and the old miss house, which costs are due on really almost nothing. they engage the is riley ease and the americans engaged and fired themselves. and those rallies along according to set up their own numbers, spent $1350000000.00. the money is, may be spent, i don't know,

$10000000.00. the rise knew that those would be down. that was the purpose so that the other missiles could get to those 10 to 15. i don't know if 20 minutes has they hit 2 bases, one in the south. okay. our base with a 5 and one in and or so it wasn't the major strike. there were 2 bases that were targeted in the miss awestruck those bases. okay. and again, in the context of that iranian attack, how is the is rate how those rarely drones being sent into if on being seen and, you know, at the time of this recording, iran hasn't said that, as well as responsible for this attack, it's choosing to say in full traces, why is that? because they are small drones and most probably, uh they were launch from somewhere inside the country run is a very large country. it's the size of germany, france and britain combined. and therefore, they can determine now who actually carry them out,

but no one was hurt. no one. uh, no installations were damaged. it was a, a non event. and, uh, the, the 3 down drones were down. my when i in the morning when i called the colleague in tucson, she said that she hadn't heard anything and her relatives hadn't heard anything. so nothing really happened. so it's a bit confusing now because it's, it's effectively no, no operation took place. even though the me, i, there was an unknown american who claimed otherwise. and so i don't know what the re, okay. do you want me to go put them in the will be because is it a non a band or is it a, an attack? yeah, i want to talk to our other guests, especially miss farm on for mind about whether it's a non event or not in just a moment. but mr. levy, if i can bring you back in because you know, you'll open in comments about how this was an uncharacteristically measured response by this is way the government. why do you think that is a, you know, even

a broken, a watch stays the right time, twice a day. a, i think more, more seriously. this is riley. so these are in government funded and the still the getting now into a consultation about and competition was around. we'd be really on was so excited that we start you guys. uh and the last think we need those waterways around it. any case smallways around the something very explosive and very dangerous new writers will come out as you rush, you know, writers of please, but uh, those are different capabilities, different sizes. and i wish that it would have been more careful even before this. but in any case, at the last moment they'd be in the store base or the government of the store, they're going to know for a confrontation, we'd be not only still pretty, but also very, very dangerous. mr. levy, we've had a lost over the last 6 months about how prime minister nathaniel,

who wants to continue to warn gaza because that will ensure he stays in power. we've also heard about how he wants to widen the conflict with iran he wanted because that were drag america in do use things, but that is the case. so has been the case so far and that we might be seeing him stepping back from that position. and when decision makers are getting their decisions, it's the only one kind of coordination. and these are all but simplified. the many. it is a bit clinic like this to the older population in the mail. busy is he's posted that agenda. i don't think so. is the agenda is very dominus, but it's a little, it's his own. only a consideration because he knows very well even from the point of view, the agenda, the ticket faster fee was 0 and it's just what was wrong with the old school and things use korea. so what we need to execute a getting now. yes,

we continue this one guys, so without any purpose, without any drawers, without any plans for the day after. and that's why it says enough, but the wrong is a different game. ok, and we can of course, not lose sight of what all of this means for the one gaza mis 5 mon for mind. if i can bring you in on a point that mr. mirandi was making, he was quoting this, a non event. but i do want to talk about the significance of is for han, is it significant for us military industrial complex? we have mentioned it host a nuclear facility. it even hosts a major, a base even if you know as the f 145 budgets there are aging. well, i think this was really a, an exchange that on both sides was very symbolic. and i think it was no accident that these rarely as chose to make their particular move. and as for hon,

because it is a city of great importance, is a serious city. first of all, also culturally, but it has the nuclear facilities around there. they have hit it before and in fact had hit it some time ago about a year and a half ago, a factory by a sub drones that likewise, the, the providence of those were clearly a israel as perhaps, but it was unclear from where in the wrong they were, they were emanating. and i think that was also part of the symbolic element that these were drones that came from within the country, indicating that israel has close enough linkages with opposition, forces that it can trigger and internal attack, if you will, sorry, the form on for my and are you saying that the drones came from within ron itself? that is one of the things that is being discussed and it's very possible unlikely.

yes. but at least some of the mr. the, i think. okay. sorry. yeah, please continue. so i think it was very calculated this move and, and i think it was also very possibly part of a deal, but it had that the israelis had made. but the americans, there was a huge amount of pressure by the americans and the other international powers that it helped to deflect the wrong attack. that came to israel as a but i, i think very, it repeat would have been very unlikely. number one, a number 2, i think the united states really wanted to ensure this did not escalate. so i would not be surprised if there was some deal in this that if the as rarely is conformed to a symbolic and measured response, the americans would veto the resolution in front of the u. n. s. c, the united nations security council that would, that had been proposed to recognize palestine as

a state which they proceeded to do. yeah. yesterday, a lot to unpack from what you've said. but don't you think that the united states given its history of v towing anything that is in any way in favor of palestinians? wouldn't they have vetoed that anyway? well, i think it's more um, stark, at the moment. certainly the history would suggest that on the other hand, they have really had to come out and support a 2 state solution. and how does one do that if one of the parties is not a state? so i think that's it more critical now. then probably it has been in the past. okay, mr. merante, if i can come to you with one of the points that miss farm on for mine made, which is the possibility that this is manageable in attack could have been carried out from iranian soil. these are not the sort of drones that you've seen has belie use against. is there any regime or those right in the regime use against hesper,

a lot of the russians use against the ukrainians. these are very small drones from my understanding. they're not the sort of drones that we may be thinking about. so it's quite easy to obtain them, but they did fail and they were unable to pub, penetrate any of these bases. and there's also another issue that is important. and that is that because in the past, the united states, and is there any of these along with, with the health of what other western embassies, both in iran in, in, surrounding countries may when they would carry out sabotage that created a culture, any run of building a key installations underground and so month, almost everything that is of particular importance is really and accessible to this way. it is just like in yemen where they're drones and miss house and radar systems are deep underground and the american bombing has no impact on 11 on where it has

been laws of tunnels or some of their tenants. they are deep underground. this is a strategy that has been pursued over the last couple of years. so these dogs really not wouldn't have much of an impact, but they were not able to penetrate the base. but what about the context that this attack is taking place? and you know, as mr. fox mis 5 mont, for my mention that they was. and now the as rarely attack in is the hon just over a year ago. i think they even took credit for that on a weapons production facility. a lot has happened since then, and the context in which events take place can to find a conflict as much as an attack itself caught the so again, the, the, what do you make of the importance of this attack in the current context? a window, 1st of all, i'd like to point out that i have no doubt that the americans would have vetoed the un security council resolution on palestine. it was

a foregone conclusion. they've been lobbied in the other countries before it came to the security council to vote against it in the subcommittee if, if that's what it's called. so the, what, what really happened was that the iranians said to the americans through the messages that they, that went back and forth it, we're going to hit them very. it is, riley is very hard. not like last time with not with old drugs in old miss styles and a few miss house. you are miss, how's go? we're going to hit them really hard and our policy has changed for now, and we won't allow them to carry ronnie and anywhere, whether they're in embassies or outside inside the run outside. and the americans took that very seriously, and americans don't want that escalation because they know, 1st of all, that israel would lose that exchange. and 2nd of all, it could spread beyond a real quick, it was a spread across the region. and that would be catastrophic for the global economy,

the oil and gas to come from this region. we all know how important it is. yeah, mr. levy, i want to bring you in here on the messaging from america and how that's being viewed in israel because we here need every day from the americans that they don't want to, the escalation and the region. and before this is randy attack, they said that they wouldn't support any offensive action from israel, but they would always come to israel's defense this the support for as well as i am clad and so on and so forth. but how is it being seen in as well when america has to come to as well as defense because of as well as offensive actions the besides in drawing. so they help shots that shoot down or the is right on the 1st of april, was because of the is rarely attack on the iranian cons. let in damascus 2 weeks area is a bit in terms of, you know, originally so it is of it is not being done by most of these raise. they don't see

the connection between the sedation, the mess goes and they run in at the end. there is a very clear logic, a linkage between them to what these right and these don't, don't worry just right. don't ask themselves on the folder and see what it's really necessarily. it is a sentence for nation in this time when we are stuck in gaza, what came onto the feet? what do you know? you told us, here's what i have. and i put a new side or the or, and then the questions of us as a nation. i think it will be out of the 40. does this really serve any interest? but those questions, i don't ask you this way because he is right. it is quite a narrow minded thing before and for the got home and why it's blindly and saying that mary can't cause ross about them as long as they just stole and just advise and just search and just the war is where it came quite to you know,

it's only about america, which is threatening to take measures a 10 out american view, paying any measures to school is right in front of the provider is writing for other a 10 more reasonable. i hope this would come, but let's not forget immersion. not only pull the video and tear, i totally agree. invoice professionals are on the marriage and majority says, the feeling any change, the emergence will supply is a discrepancy in any case, the question is, what happens? so to miss. so i'm on the side mind given what mr. levy has said, despite them out because actions about d escalating and mr. veranda himself is saying that america doesn't want a why to reach and how much are its actions? because from what mr. lovey, saying they're enabling israel, so how much of the american actions pushing the region closer to the brink of war

a? well, it's a very good question and i think we see that it's not here the left hand. no, it's not what the right hand does. i think there is a balancing act taking place. i think that a president biden is facing an election. he's got a very outspoken muslim population that he would like to garner their votes. he's, he's risking those by his enormous support of, of uh, of israel at the same time he's trying to bring on board of, to his side, the saudis, and the other gulf states. and they're being very hesitant. and he's facing a, a, an as a situation in the red sea, i think that he hadn't really intended it 1st. and i agree with mister a dr. morality that the, you know, the, uh, the actions of these, these groups are, are often quite difficult for, for iran to, to,

to control it. certainly not. they are partners that are not proxies. and, and so i think that, you know, he's at the end, the gulf states are not supporting the maritime defense group that the united states has, has mounted there. so i think that in many ways we're seeing that the united states is trying to, to cover too many bases and to please, to many people. and i think what happened here is that when the is really attacked, took place in damascus, which then have this knock on effect. it shifted the focus of the story from gaza and the famine to the possible escalation of war with even one. and i would say that was very much on the minds of those planning list in one way. and in another way, it was also something that involves the united states much more. we only have about 3 minutes left in the program and i'd like to ask and a very important question to each of you,

mr. moran. the all star. what do you do since we're in a new era of conflict between a ron and as well? no longer and the shadow was given the direct attacks on each of the swell it is released have been carrying out attacks before it is only this time that the ronnie eggs have responded. and yes that iran has said that it has changed the equation. but the ron will not allow the focus to be moved away from guys. so there is no way that this re lease or the americans, or anyone will be able to move attention away from the genocide or a holocaust. so it has change. but the iranians will be very careful to make sure the focus stays on casa, and that is appeals. weakened by your arms capabilities, mr. levy i'm quite concerned because we see things on the real explosive, the bones and, and any small mistake can lead us the weird cut that certainly i wish i knew what.

busy the reader will to patient sophia around, i really think because i've had different relationship was owned by treat to care about the patient that bob died in the way that these are restricted to the 1st thing in the string for the way the diesel restricting their bodies thing and i students think that the right it is a for the fall through the phone. much more of a cooling language, like before, by the way, like in the 6 seventy's. and i really wish that this will change one day. my job, we still get to bear on monday to miss uh theres online. right. yeah. those as well as the doors. ms. 5 on my end. your last thoughts. i think its changed it and uh, in a minor way. i think the fact that iran responded the way it did has to some degree change the goal posts and indicating to israel so that it will respond again,

should you as well just continue to attack it's generals and it's people with impunity. there is no impunity anymore. i think that has changed the gold post somewhat, but i don't think that what we're, we're really hearing is the drum beat of an escalating war, vip dot, between the 2 of them. thank you so much to roxanne 5 months of mind in london. mamma, the randi and pet on and get in live a in kind of a and thank you to for watching. you can see the program again any time by visiting our website, which is 0 dot com. and for further discussion to go to our facebook page, that's facebook dot com, forward slash a inside story. you can also join the conversation on x. i handle this at a inside story from me, elizabeth put on him and the entire team here. bye for now. the

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