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academic building. not just any building plus four officers killed in a tragic shooting in north carolina. and donald trump back in court as a key prosecution witness details how stormy daniels actually got the hush money all right. >> 6:00 a.m. here in washington alive, look at the white house and this tuesday good morning. good morning, everyone. i'm kasie hunt. it's wonderful to have you with us. we have breaking news right now, protests at columbia university escalating with students breaking into and taking control of a university building columbia administration now telling students and faculty to avoid campus and warning that access to other buildings may be restricted. columbia had started suspending students who remained in the pro-palestine encampment outside their past monday afternoon, some of them had been leaving but shortly

after midnight, a student smashed a window of hamilton hall with a hammer. >> the group columbia students for justice in palestine says that dozens have barricaded themselves inside hamilton hall. >> you can see them here in these images using furniture and other objects to blockade the doors the people who are already inside hamilton hall decided to smash the windows and then put bike locks like around each door handle and you can see the crowd outside here. >> if you look closely, you can see mast people inside the building attempting to open windows on the upper floors. hamilton hall was named for alexander hamilton, the treasury secretary and its famous in part because it was occupied by students back in 1960 eight amid protests against the vietnam war, it was taken over again in 1972, also about the war. and then again in 1985 to protest apartheid, it is also the home of the

office of the dean of columbia college. our polo sandoval has been reporting us for us live from the scene and he is trying to get closer to the building thing. as we speak, he'll join us as soon as he finds a place where he can safely go live. in the meantime, let's talk about it with our panel, evan osnos is staff writer for the new yorker republican strategist david urban is with us and karen finney, former senior adviser and senior spokesperson for hillary 2016. good morning to all of you. some pretty stunning images coming to us overnight. evan, we also are just learning at this hour that banners have been hung from the hall. they they read hints hall and into fatah hint is a reference to a woman who was killed in gaza into fatah. of course, a reference to uprising, violent struggles of palestine indians have had over the years against israel. as you watch this unfold, how do you see this moment here for our the next few hours, i think are going to be important to watch. i mean, there was an interesting moment last week,

you were beginning to see university administrators come to an idea principle. you saw the president of princeton say the goals should be the maximum expression without intimidation or obstruction that was where places were heading. this is this is something else because students, jewish students on campus at columbia are going to wake up this morning and say this does not satisfy that standard david urban yeah, and i just that stayed and i just jewish students, but all students on columbia, they're being denied. they're not going to have graduations and some of these places, student life is disrupted. >> there are thousands of students at columbia university who are paying and deserve to get a great education and who being denied that by a small group of people who are clearly not just breaking the rules, but breaking the law. >> this point at some point, i expect they're gonna have to be forcibly ejected i'm going to leave that building, not going to walk out of the building on their own freewill and governor hochul is gonna be a tough spot at some point here. i suspect at some point, probably gonna have to call the national guard at some point to all the stuff

that is what they have been trying to avoid because i thought that that would escalate things. and again, just to kind of clarify, there was a deadline of 2:00 yesterday for the encampment to disperse the new york times reporting this morning that there had been many people who are leaving and the university of hope that it would peter out. but then you had this and let's watch a little bit more from a student who clearly was not siding with the students who have now occupied at hamilton hall. she talked a little bit more about the scene and what happened when what she calls a mob took over the building. watch two very heroic students decided to get in front of the mavi that was pushing the tables in front of each doorway at hamilton hall and they were trying to almost negotiate with the mob. >> and then when that wasn't working, they just decided to stand there in front of each door. for and tried to be the human barricades. they

proceeded to push him out of him out, almost lift him up, and he was resisting there also was a student who talked about how they called police when the scene unfolded. watch i saw a student get physically assaulted and people called the nypd, people call public safety. >> there's no responses as other silence from their end so karen funny, i mean, they're describing trying to call the police, getting no response here. i do want to note earlier, i referred to the child that they that is on the banner hint as a woman, she's not sure was a five-year-old girl in palestine, just think that's important to note. >> but, but let's talk about as david raised, i mean, they've got it, they're gonna have to do something think about this. >> these campus administrators, what should it be? >> well, look, i think at this point and we're going to see this around the country. i do think greg abbott was maybe a little heavy handed, but it's gotten to the point where it's

governors and mayors who are having to work and the local police with college administrators and their campus security to figure out for those who are not able to meet the princeton standard, which i thought was quite brilliant actually to say. and i agree with david that also this is private property. >> the you have absolutely a right to free speech, not hate speech, which i think is a really clear distinction. >> i mean, part of what concerns you when i see some of this is there's were losing the narrative a little bit, right? it's one thing to say. i am pro-palestinian. i'm concerned about what's happening to the palestinian people right? i am for the israeli people. i disagree, disagree with the israeli government but make it clear that you do not support hamas. make it clear that you're not four terrorists who perpetrate hey violence of nature. we haven't seen on israel. and again, i i think administrators are going to have to continue to figure out how you clarify you of your right to free

speech. you do not have the right to occupy private space and we have a right to remove you from that space, particularly as you point out and david pointed out it's also about the other students. what about the staff? what about the people who isn't their livelihoods were? >> saltzman reported or people working in university of florida had a great statement yesterday, started out. this is not a daycare center, right? we're not here to tell you. we're not here to babysit your kids, right? you know the rules. we put the rules out for a week i'm tried to work with you and then they went and they carted people off to jail who broke the rules on who's running the university of florida would that be better? >> all right. we're going to continue this conversation here in a moment. we just have to take a quick break up next, power struggle in the house. speaker mike johnson, job is hanging in the balance plus donald trump back in court as an accountant reveals for the hush money for stormy daniels actually came from and much more on a breaking news overnight as dozens of columbia students barricaded themselves

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private institutions asked for. >> i think it also depends on how each of these institutions ends up handling there are situations because as we were discussing before each seems to be taking a slightly different tactic and had different tone i think we'll have to continue to see how this unfolds. and i'm sure the white house's as well, david urban, how much of this i mean, do you think that this is i think that the student that we listened to a couple of minutes ago would suggest that this is not the majority of students necessarily how does i mean these students? >> and we should note mean somebody has had pointed out this is a class of 2024 okay. >> your high school class of 2020, none of them had high school graduation. right now. i mean, this yard where this encampment is, where they want to set up for commencement at columbia university. so a lot of these students potentially denied that i mean it's it's really. tragic for those students and their families. and again, the faculty who are, who are probably in large part, they want to see is karen points out, once he free and respectful speech, don't want

to see these kind of demonstrations and fear at students living in fear. and the chaos. it's on canvas, evan pointed out the previous occupation patients of humbled at all, didn't end well kids didn't just walk out and 60 to 68, and 72 in the past, they were physically ejected by. >> we have some videos that actually sorry continue and i suspect it's the karen's point we secreted from the podium. >> there when the 42nd inferior division, then and the new york national guard is going in to take people out, right? >> here's the student did back in 1968 this is an excellent at fine. the note dod, i'm not yeah, i'm so either it's the nypd is a very robust police force so presumably they won't need to get the national guard, but when this is happening, when we're seeing on the screen is happening the white house will be forced to respond from the podium in a big way and a bode.

>> well, it doesn't by well for the incoming. again, this disruption amongst amir on american campuses and crime it feeds in the broader narrative of america being out of control. >> you know, you certainly are going to hear donald trump making the case that black, because anyone to truth, social, well, it's worth more on the way to court this morning. i promise you i'll tell you a year ago today, i checked it out thinking about this issue a year ago today was when it was sorry, you're going but four years ago, i should say on whatever it is, april 30th, you had arm protesters going into the michigan state house that was under donald trump. >> i'm like, gosh, yeah. so in a way it's easy to forget the things that are in the distant memory, but part of the biden campaign and the white house is project is to remind people what life was like in the spring of 2020 i it's not as easy. it sounds two quick things. number one, i think the white house is certainly watching this and will try to avoid what we just saw from 1968 and the second thing we looked at the harvard youth poll, which i think is one of the best out there. and this

issue is actually number 15. >> james carville. it's pretty good poll i mean, i don't care for at james says, but as somebody who i mean, it's a consistent pole the data's pretty solid. i just thought that was interesting. >> that i think that's part of why i think when we really understand who's really there at these protests, that when we really give us a different picture, i don't want to interrupt you, but i do want to show life pictures from the university of north carolina that are coming in right now. >> again, as we tried to grapple with how different universities are handling these things differently, right now, we are seeing police taking students into custody at the university of north carolina. these are live pictures from wr al just coming into us right now, which is why now you're seeing obviously are photojournalist trying to actively bring some of the best stuff to you there this of course unfolding as we're seeing the students in new york

taking over hamilton hall and we showed it may have flown by you, but i want to kind of go back to the banners that were hanging off of hamilton hall, which again, this building that was occupied back in 1968, there's that one. it reads into fada, and evan, can you just help us understand the context of what that means and what it might. what kind of reaction it might generate from students who have who say are jewish or israeli yeah, intifada is not a call for peace and two photos are called for an uprising. i think you had joel ruben on earlier this morning reminding people of what the history of that term is. it is a very provocative and it feels for many people on that campus very threatening to be in a context in which there is a call for an uprising this is a moment now where you're going to see people who say, look, i believe fundamentally that there is a legitimate right to protest policies of the israeli government right now. but the goal ultimately should be piece and that's the events of the last few hours are gonna are going to be a

time for people to decide where they stand on that, right? >> and the question of course, i mean and to underscore and the other banner, we should say also on on columbia's on the building that they hang is hind's hall. this was a young palestinian child who was killed in gaza. there is, of course underneath this that show hints hall two that would be great. >> it doesn't just want me there. >> david, there are legitimate reasons to protest what is going on. >> gaza. there are horrible things happening to totally innocent children, like the one who is referenced in the banner that said, this is also next to intifada. there were just discussing, so you lose. nobody is going to pay attention the hands hall side right i was going to pay attention that they're gonna pay attention that the sign that's calling for violent uprising and overthrow of i saw some tweets last night of death to america from, from, from students at columbia who are protesting there. you're not winning the de when you're, when you're tweeting out death to america

and your you're getting your pell grant from any of us government. it's just it's it's incongruent with our free speech. great. you cross over into making people feel unsafe it is the american people if you took a poll, you've paul an old person, paul. >> nope, nobody want to see this. you can hey, everybody in america believes in the first, you could peacefully assemble and protests and let your voice shout as loud as you want. >> i remember you were to feel and threaten people should be locked. >> i remember when i was covering congress and i heard the overheard the first tour group that had ever come through, they come through in the eighth grade right there, 13, where they didn't remember nine, 11, they didn't know what it was buzz right. and for me, i am basically a child of nine 11. i was a junior in high school. when that happened and to hear death to america chant, i mean, it really strikes a nerve and takes me back to that. >> so somebody i went to west point i fought in the war. i was in the capital on nine, 11. i was attacked by anthrax. i

took sip row for 90 days so when you see students privileged students in a university should be grateful being able to participate in a country that has a great free speech, channing like having intifada and death to america. >> i mean, that's where its core, let me be house you for one second because we've got polo sandoval setup for us outside columbia and i want to get to him because i know he was trying to move a little bit closer to give us a sense of what's going on there. >> polo. >> take us on-scene. >> what have you seen this morning? and what's the latest? >> the case you good morning for our relocated vantage point, you can actually see when those banners that you and some of our panelists were discussing the short while ago, you'll see it over my shoulder here on the hamilton building as soon as it's truck clears out of the way, this particular banner here reading free palestine, with some arabic on it as well. what's interesting here, casey is this is clearly public facing some of the other banners that you guys were discussing a short while ago, those actually face toward the

interior of the campus, mainly towards the encampment and question that's been in place for nearly two weeks now, this one, however is actually plainly visible by those folks who are walking along the sidewalk just off the columbia campus, which might speak to some level of at least coordination in terms of what we saw overnight. we did see this group of dozens of people are still unclear whether or not they have direct affiliation with the university though at this point, the university cylinder restricted access, you need a student id to make your way on campus but that will be a really important thing to actually learn. throughout the day here from the university of potentially from other officials that may possibly be asked to respond is exactly who the members of that group war. and also very important here was this in any way, shape, or form connected to that encampment that is just 50 yards away. and i say this because in the last nearly two weeks of actually be in here and ending up on campus and speaking to members of that encampment who have remained relatively peaceful, they have

actually been contained and kept that presence to that lawn and it wasn't until yesterday, of course, after the escalation that took place when that deadline was imposed by the university that we did see that presence significantly grow and that would lead our slater to this certainly would be described as an escalation when you sell these dozens of students take objects to barricade the entrance of hamilton hall. that does have a legacy of demonstrations and protests and calls for divestment and then made their way onto into that building itself by force. and then placed those banners around the building. casey polo, you mentioned that the campus has been restricted, that you have to have a student id. i think one of the things that many people who are not doing what you do and actually are going there and seeing for themselves with the protests are like hi, are wondering how many of these people, and we're seeing this. i think we should note across the country there was a library occupied at portland state at yesterday and office at ucla.

>> humboldt. >> also occupied at the student newspaper at princeton reports there was a building briefly occupied at princeton as well. do you have a sense of whether for this is students at columbia basically exclusively or if there's outside involvement at all. i mean, what is your reporting around that that is really what one of my that's what i really want to know this morning, casey, because i think that that will be more telling of what may have actually led to the events of yesterday that again, i can't say that enough, so it is clearly going to potentially escalate the situation between protest activists on campus and the university. >> they're trying the university essentially trying to de-escalate the situation and trying to clear out that in cabinet. but now, this morning faced with this additional challenge of actually not only clearing the building that you see behind me, but also preventing that from happening in the future. ultimately, they may be the ones to show a little bit more light on who these individuals are. we do have an editorial presence on campus, attempted to speak to some of these individuals. most

of what you see their faces covered and they declined to beak so clearly, they do want to get a message out unclear exactly how they want to. if they want to actually share it with journalists on campus. so for now, what they're doing is turning to these banners and these just remarkable pictures that we witnessed overnight. and i have to say that one of the things that i have heard in the last two days from the members of the cabinet, or reluctant to leave on those terms of secure and divestment, is that there is that legacy of these previous calls for divestment. of course, in 1968, when they increase awareness about the vietnam war decades later in 1985, when columbia became the first ivy league university to divest from during south african apartheid, apartheid. so there is that continues to motivate what does at least a small and i would even add informed cluster of demonstrators that have been camped out indian cabinet.

>> but what we saw overnight was clearly sort of a change in the game here when they began to leave that area, or sally's, i should say i should be clear when we began to see a presence of demonstrators outside of the area and then make their way into the building that you see behind me. >> but the question is were those members of that of that protests, do they have any association with the encampment? >> we don't know yet. right as university leaders, we're trying to de-escalate, avoid using police, some had started to disperse from that encampment. >> you suddenly see this very sharp escalation. polo sandoval, always wonderful to have you thanks for the great reporting. come back when you have more i also today, donald trump back in court in just hours. what prosecutors might be planning ahead and big picture shuttle diplomacy from the secretary of state, antony blinken for a ceasefire in gaza qizan put dr. sanjay gupta, listen wherever you get your podcasts businesses go further with 5g solutions.

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soap gilt.com today all right, welcome back. >> we're going back to our breaking story campus protests sharply escalating overnight student protests are smashing windows after storming a historic academic building at columbia university. they have now barricaded themselves inside hamilton hall on the outside of human chain witnesses say over 200 protestors holding the line, standing guard outside as this has been unfolding, we also have this live video from the university of north carolina chapel hill. it's like they're heading out of what was a very active scene protesters there clashing with police just moments ago, several people arrested are panels back and elliot williams also joins us let's, let's pick up the conversation that we were

having. david urban, you had been making you'd been talking about what this means for students for the country. and i know karen, you were about to respond. what he had to say well, just one of the things that watching this that is so it's just heartbreaking is this could have been and still is. i hope in some means and opportunity to have a real conversation about what's, what's happening here. why is that? >> what's happening in gaza? >> what is the dynamic between the palestinians and the israelis? and how do we have a respectful debate and unfortunately, and i'll just say when and when i was in high school, it was about apartheid. >> and i'm berklee campus, uc berkeley. it was pretty peaceful and there was actually an intern frontal policing of your getting away from our message about anti-apartheid and a feeling of the violence would take away from that. and i think david beta, a great point that we may not focus on those little boy who they're

trying to talk about here. and instead rule, yeah, little girl, i'm so sorry. oh, yeah. into faa that and breaking windows, which is not free speech, right? that is not about what we should note this building was also occupied during apartheid. yes that period that you're talking about, elliot williams they have been in trying very hard not to bring in police to avoid escalating things with the protesters. >> do they have that choice now? >> they always have the choice. it is one laws are being violated though of course they please have a duty and obligation to step in. the problem is that columbia university cities are semi-autonomous states. it's private property but they still are subject to the laws of the state of new york. and if, for instance, people were trespassing on the campus, police can come in if crimes are being committed. people can come in and crimes can be in the form of threats or assaults or anything else. the problem is that as we were talking about yesterday of the program as well this muddy line between what counts as speech and

debate and the marketplace of ideas and what counts as assault and threats and there are salts and threats happening here, but there's also probably a lot of legitimate speech david urban, we also have been talking about young people. >> did the generational divide that is starkly on display here, right? you were talking about your experience in the wake of nine 11, that was karen, you had apartheid for me. it was set the september 11 attacks were kind of my coming of age moment. we have seen comedians, commentators come talk about the generational divide mean this is kind of a tail as old as time. but the differences in our media do make it visible in different ways. here was bill maher small matters when activism merges with narcissism, less about the cause and more about me. look at me, watch me, and if you'd like the way i'm fighting injustice, remember to like and subscribe look, i mean, i think

it's right understand. >> these kids who are chanting these chants and i wonder if half the kids on who are protesting really understand what they're protesting, what it means i've been to gaza, i've been to gaza city. i've visited gaza city. i was arlen specter's cheapest staff with yasser arafat when there was in the late 90s, they're going to build an airport and a casino. it's the same beach. gaza has the same beaches. tel aviv. it could be completely uniform. it could be a completely different place than it is today and those are choices that are made by the palestinian people and by the leadership, by hamas, right some things. so hamas took over, they elected hamas and they went to completely different direction. i don't if these if these kids knew history, if they took a second to understand the history, what's behind this, maybe that have a different perspective. >> but david, remember that one of the things i was saying at the break was that some of the students themselves and are in different reporting. we're saying that some of the people who are the most violent or seem to be chanting the mosab we're actually not fellow

student. and so that's the other thing. as we tease it out, i'm just letting you know that there may be students who are trying to do peaceful protests who think that's what they're there to do. and there maybe we saw it happened with some of the blm protests and we've seen outside actors come in and co-opt some of these. but to your point about you, know, your, your point, your colleagues, and your berkeley you were able to do that peaceful, able to police it. >> why can't these kids do that well, again, we should note this is a historic we've been showing video from 1968 of this very building on columbia university's campus, which is part of why this has some resonance. >> evan osmo. so i want to pick up on the generational thing that we're talking about here. and what this means james carville, who you may remember, definitely a different generation from the kids that are protesting. he was talking broadly about the election because of course this very, very difficult for president biden to negotiate a among young voters. this is one of the main issues that's creating that generational

divide. but he was carville over the weekend but that's all right 26 year-old. you don't feel like the elections and partner made it not addressing the issues that i care about. so my advice to tell these young people to get off it, go vote because you should vote like your entire future and the entire future of this united states depends on it because quite frankly, it does. >> in that's not an exaggeration law that was testing how long the beep is actually cable a bullet knowing how many words can fit one, i know what's notable about that as a lot of people here know james carville has been very critical. the biden administration's approach to the selection. he is now saying very clearly, look the time for that kind of debate is over. if you care about what the future of this country it looks like and you are a democrat. it's time to get both. >> can i just ask when was the last time james have a one an election? i think i was there in 1992. i don't know how many

one since and that is part of why he is not spokesperson for anybody these days because that's that's clearly not going to resonate with anybody. >> well, it resonates. i get it resonates with people of james carville is vintage and louisiana, i'm sure frankly vote and larger numbers. i think they do. right. and his message is not his message is pretty is actually the base, right? it's like if you want to really affect change, don't be sitting in a tent on columbia's campus organized invoke because that's how change occurs the only question i have for you all to that score is that the argument of well, do you really understand what you're the protesting? >> i bet variants of that were set in the 60s and 70s. and so now that's not to i don't want to equate the two. vietnam is what's people's lives were at stake and waves i say the drought neuro that's different opinions, but the mere point of another generation saying these folks protesting don't really know what they're doing now it might be counterproductive and they might be committing crimes

and having these interlopers from outside in new york city stepping onto the campus and messing things up for everybody. but the notion that merely by protesting, we as as the grown-ups wagner fingers of them, just don't know one of the reason i say that because i've seen some anecdotal footage of people asking the kids, like, what are you here for yeah. what what are we here for exactly now right. and so that just so it's anecdotal, but i think that it's that's what more widespread than suspect 100% the blessing and a curse of the age we live in and the subscribe and like age is that you can take a moment like that or someone gets rate called out for sounding like an idiot and make it into a viral video that implies that all of these people don't know what they're doing. again, i hear you karen mentioned the harvard poll earlier, which is really interesting, gives you an insight into the attitudes and the priorities of young voters and what you hear is at the top of the list are things like abortion, things like immigration, the economy the inflation, gaza's in there, but it's not at the top of the list and you know, in that poll

and i saw this, i have to ask our folks to maybe dig it up. they asked the ceasefire question in two ways. one was that do you support a ceasefire? and it was overwhelming? yes. but then they asked, do you support a ceasefire if hamas still controls gaza and hostage has not been released, and the number changes dramatically. >> yeah. >> well, we're going to talk more about what's happening. we're right on the cusp of potentially an important moment in these ceasefire negotiations. so i think this issue is something that people care about, but what we're seeing on television does not really tell us about what the attitudes are. broadly speaking, among young people will try to put those two things in some about light administration is that csf are probably more than ever this morning. okay. coming up here, we're gonna have more of our breaking news coverage with protesters at columbia university now occupying historic building on campus columbia students are going to join us to talk about what they've witnessed. i campus electric for short trips, gas for long like the paradox it

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most trusted name and homeme security as the intelligence of google you have a home with no worries brought to you by adt, how we'd really happened with jesse you, martin, sunday's at nine on cnn i breaking news, overnight campus protests escalating protesters at columbia university smashing windows and barricading them styles inside a historic academic building joining me now are to columbia university students, jessica schwalb and jonas do i thank you both very much for being here at jessica. let me start with you. what have you been seeing on campus over the past several hours? and how does it make you feel as a student? >> i've heard a lot of violent rhetoric such as resistance by any means, or glory to our martyrs, or brick by brick wall by wall, israel will fall so these are seemingly genocidal chance. so that instills a lot of fear in myself and along

with my jewish friends, many of whom have decided not even to come to campus and are using the virtual option of classes and finals and just a few hours ago, i witnessed the walls or the windows of hamilton hall where actually had a class just on monday bashed in and the doors barricaded in a student who is trying to stop this mob from continuing to barricade these doors assaulted by multiple pro-palestinian protesters or mobsters as now, they have shown themselves to be and shoved out of the way and called zionist. and i was almost part of that corralled of a human chain, but i decided to jump over a table, but this student was physically assaulted and when my friends called the nypd, they called public safety there was just silence on their end wow. jonas, can you help us

understand your perspective, what you've experienced, but also a little bit more about this building. it's kind of centrality to the campus and what it means to have it taken over. >> yeah, it's definitely go jessica sentiments about just the overall feeling of being unsafe and especially because a student journalist trying to cover these protests being there reading from the barricades they are they're moving these heavy metal tables, flipping them over on themselves. a lot of the times carelessly. a lot of journalists, a lot of press people, lottery photographers, were awfully close and i was really afraid that they were going to seriously injured someone with something that heavy but in terms of hamilton hall, this is a very significant piece of infrastructure at columbia this is where the famous 1968 student protests over the vietnam war took place. then student protesters took over hamilton hall, the occupied it for days on end. they block the gene and it's office and actually this is still where the dean of columbia college has his office today. so this is a very significant building. it's also where the center for the core curriculum is. and

that's the academic cornerstone of the columbia college experience. so there's a reason why they chose this building to do it and make no mistake that they are trying to continue the student activists some of the 1960s and the 1980s, they see as one and the same jessica, you are jewish at yourself and there was, of course the warning at that jewish students should go home from a rabbi affiliated with columbia. >> these protesters, these occupiers have unfurled a banner that it says intifada on the outside of the building. can i just ask you you're reaction to that and how you have felt about your own safety as a jewish student? >> yeah. i mean, the word into fatah, if you'll ask a pro-palestinian protester, they'll say, well, it just means revolution. and they might even want to interchange it with the american intifada instead of the american revolution. but the intifada really involved suicide bombings and a lot of

terrorism. and so to use that interchangeably, it's, it's just incorrect and if you'll talk to someone who's from israel, if someone comes up to you and says, we want to globalize the intifada that means one thing i was told, and that means they want to kill you. and so four students to just go around chanting that very, very inflammatory word, it's, it's terrifying for me to hear. >> i'm not israeli, but for my israeli friends. >> it is extremely scary and like i said, a lot of them i'm have chosen to not even come to campus or to really restrict their time on campus because they are afraid for their safety. they're afraid to wear their star of david necklace is out. but that's the other side of it, is. >> if we do decide to leave and heed the warnings of the hello rabbi, who wants, who encourage students who don't feel comfortable on canvas to leave, then we reward their scare tactics and we give them what

they want. >> so the other side of the coin is, we stay on campus with this fear within our chest, but we can't let them when essentially jonas, the university had been trying to de-escalate this because they're of course, had been an incident where the police were called to try to clear it. it seems to escalate the situation and there was an effort to try to de-escalate. we've showed people reports this morning from a student who was on scene who said they called the police, they called the public's safety. they couldn't get any help in your view, what are the options that the university has and what effect would calling police and to try to address this have on what's going on on the ground so what the university did over the last couple of days was actually send daily updates to students saying, we're actually going to negotiate with these protesters were going to negotiate with the students that are camping illegally on the lungs and we're going to listen to their demands and then try to reach a compromise with them now, there a lot of

students have mixed feelings but there's a lot of people feel that we shouldn't be negotiating with people who violate university rules. >> but the fact of the matter is the university did and then they realized that the demands of these protesters are just completely unreasonable. their most important demand is divestment completely from israel, which means companies like google, companies like amazon that do business in israel. they want all of that divested and columbia can't actually do that because then they would lose all of their contracts and all of their financial aid from the new york state government under, under an executive order. so we're in this situation where they have impossible demands. the university has realized that and so they said, okay, we've tried to go speciation that doesn't work, and that's why there are now escalating and that's why they're now trying to occupy the halls and be not so peaceful and their protest jessica, what will it mean if commencement is affected by what's going on here? >> because that is central to the attempts to clear the

encampment is so that the class of 2024 i can enjoy the celebration of everything that they've accomplished in their time i think sort of like what i was saying before, if the university continues to indulge these negotiations that like jonas said, are quite impossible to satisfy. >> then we're just continuing to reward. they're very belligerent and tonight violent behavior and it's, it's lawless on campus right now. and there's odor, lack of enforcement of campus policy and disregard for any of the other students who may not even have a clue of what's going on in the middle east right now and they shouldn't be suffering and i was speaking to a friend whose parents are from south korea. and if they're coming in, they want to be able to see their son walk across the stage. and if this mob decides to continue to be relentless, which i'm sure they will continue to be there's many people who will suffer just because of them all right.

jessica schwalb, jonas, do. thank you very much for spending some time with us this morning. i really appreciate it. >> thank you. thank you are this just to cnn, university officials at portland state have asked police to come to campus to remove dozens of protesters who've broken into the university's library, up to 75 protesters started occupying that building late last it's night campus officers have tried to get into the library, but they were not able to get inside. >> we are working on trying to get more and some pictures on that for you. but we also want to go to this because at columbia university is now facing a lawsuit over how they've handled these pro-palestinian demonstrations on campus, on anonymous jewish students filed the suit yesterday alleging that the university is failing to provide a safe learning environment for students. the lawsuit is seeking class action status and it takes particular issue with the decision by columbia to go to a hybrid learning model last week, amid unrest on campus, the suit states this quote the segregation of jewish students is a dangerous development that

can quickly escalate into more severe acts of violence and discrimination columbia declined to comment. our panel is back elliott. let me start with you on just trying to get some perspective on what this means and whether what kind of standing that this person has. >> sure. so it's a class action just like wouldn't be filed against whether it's tobacco company or a toxic waste company or whatever else it's a sign. it's it's a suggestion that one person can represent the interests of other people against the same defendant. now the question here, it's interesting how they wrote it because it's not just on behalf of jewish students, it's on behalf of all students who went virtual well, now in the argument in the case, they say that jewish students predominantly went virtual because of the fact that they were the ones who felt scared, although the university gave everybody the chance to go virtual. i just think the one problem i see what the students are very clever lawsuit. the one problem though is how do you define who the classes and how do you make a case that going virtual itself? brought all of the problems that they

say it did because of the fact that number one, a number of classes in the university probably had virtual exams all semester anyway, because that's the world we live in. and number two, so many people lived in an all virtual environment. a couple of years ago. how can we say now today that you're irreparable? >> we do know that it was worse. the virtual environment is worse than the in-person without question, however, lots of environments are still virtual today and for the purpose of winning a lawsuit, it just muddies your argument a little bit, but they were harmed. they are saying that we can't go to class. we suffered on account of who we are. we suffer disproportionately as a group because we're the ones that went virtual. therefore, we're missing out on graduation and even the experience of taking an examiner room. they said something, well, i mean, evan, i think the sort of politics of it not not on eliot's square round, but this idea that it lets the university off the hook, right? because they are saying, well, you can do it virtually. it's fine. we don't have to take action here, right? well, you've seen first city has been negotiating those negotiations broke down

yesterday. that was an important step in what happened now, because it's not as if the university has been saying, look, we don't want to engage this seriously. look, i think where this is headed is there is law on the question of how and when can you use your free speech rights? it comes down to time in place and manner. you have to do it in a way where you're not putting the people that you're putting people in a position of feeling intimidated or unsafe for obstructed from going about their lives. there has to be a way to be able to have a legitimate speech, right? but not do it in a way that's putting the rest of the university at odds this way, right? >> well, in these protests also, i think have we see pictures of them. but when you go through one, i did recently they have a very intense feeling where you can quickly they if they're not if it's not straight up harassment, it's your borders on it. it is not. i've covered a lot of protests in my career and these have a quality to them that has more of an edge karen, the

president is going to have to say something about this, or at least he's going to come under a lot of pressure to do something about this after cringe, i'm here yesterday and in fairness the timing of that was such that columbia seemed to be having some success with getting people to leave this encampment, et cetera. the state of the situation has changed. what should the president say? >> well, number one, i think he's got to go back and affirm the value that everybody deserves an education, right? and then everybody deserves to feel safe. all of this students, all of the faculty, all of the people who work there. but that is a top has to be a top priority. and then i think he has got too, if he hasn't or if they haven't already, what is the intelligence that we've and i don't mean that in a intel way. but what are we hearing from the campuses and what can be done, what should be done, and when things i suggested last week was reaching out to these campuses and saying, what do you need, what do you need to get this resolved? what do you need to shut this down working again with mayors and governors but i think he's going to need to be seen as

taking some action. but again, i think four is for a president to reaffirm our core value. one of the arguments in the lawsuit is that it's against the university we're not doing everything. >> this is devin was saying everything you've negotiate what the people who are protesting, but not seeking out and helping the needs of jewish students and not sort of liver. >> and by the way, not helping. this is not helping the palestinian people. >> by the way, i would just say this real quickly. in the campuses that we've seen to date where police show up immediately students are dispersed. >> you don't have this columbia situation, right? >> you don't have people taking over at ut. you kinda despaired abbott a little bit there let's squelched you people are somewhere register there protesting, but nobody's occupy buildings would be a place. games when stupid prizes. that's the rule here. you do some the dom, you get zipped, cuffed, and putting a car and i guarantee you the these crazy, crazy things, a

break it into buildings don't occur. you don't let it get to that flash mob scene, right? you'd nip it in the bud. >> there's a time and place you could protest. >> everybody. it's well-established. first amendment law you can go across the street protests at a certain area be as loud as you want, as long as you want. but you can't disrupt the world. >> we're seeing the outlines emerging of how the white house is thinking about it. they are not saying in a blanket way that you can't protest, but what they are saying very clearly is when this gets into the realm of anti-semitism, as they said about a case, a student at columbia who has been banned from campus for saying vile things, saying that zionists deserve to die. they said that turns the stomach second, it has no place in america because that's a line that the white house is willing videos of breaking windows are another one that right off the bat we have also seen these protesters today chanting from the river to the sea, hanging the intifada banner. >> we are in very troubling territory this morning. thank you so much for being with us this morning. morning as we'