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capitol hill in this is cnn close captioning brought to you by feel away, optimum enhanced calming for cats. have your cats sprays outside the litter box, fights with other cats were scratches the furniture, they could i'll be telling you they're stressed to help them feel more calm, try feel away. optimum cnn, breaking news breaking news tonight, and eerie calm at columbia university tonight, the nypd it says university of property is clear just about now, three hours after hundreds of officers entered the campus at the university's request, this the new video of police clearing hamilton hall just taken over by pro-palestinian protesters just last night, the doors had been barricaded with chairs and tables and vending machines flash bangs. we're used to breach the building according to the police. and police say miraculously that nobody was injured during the operation cnn on the scene tonight reporting dozens of

people have been arrested and also loaded onto buses. and we're learning tonight that the wife of an indicted terrorist it was on the campus last week. it's worth pointing to a post on x by sight may lrn, a former university of southern florida professor who pleaded guilty to a charge of conspiring to provide services to the palestinian islamic jihad in 2006, he posted on x last week showing a photo of his wife on the campus of columbia the university's saying, quote, my wife nala, and solidarity with the brave and very determined columbia university students i want to bring in cnn's miguel marquez, and also julia jones, miguel, you're out with more law enforcement officers in the streets? what are you seeing tonight yeah. >> police and the university of going to be looking to see how many of those arrested tonight's were actually students here when there were arrest two weeks ago in 108 were arrested a large percentage of those work we're not students here at columbia i want to show you what's happening here. this is

amsterdam avenue still a large number of police here, although the protesters, for the most part, have gone home, it's gotten very, very quiet out here up the street on columbia or amsterdam you can see that bus up there that that bus is one more down 114 street, but these buses are waiting for anybody else that is arrested. there were a couple of people that were protesters outside the university that were arrested that's hamilton hall, just up the way here. this is a john j. hall and hamilton has all the way up at 116th street. and amsterdam avenue it looks to me like police have finally opened up. we'd see now a lot of people just walking down amsterdam avenue that had been blocked off for most of the evening. now, people are able to get down amsterdam avenue and walk past hamilton hall. that's where police made entry of all of this abroad. off of this road, off of this avenue, amsterdam under the second floor of hamilton hall, using

flash bang grenades, the doors had been barred with tables and chairs and soda machines and anything they could and the police now say that it is completely done. it it is amazing how heavily they came in. it was very clear this was happening, this latest afternoon just from the number of barricades ever going up and how they were shutting down broadway and amsterdam avenues police enter there nobody on the campus now that shouldn't be there. so students who live in the dorms there can be on campus essential workers. we've seen them coming and going. they are also on campus. but they want to keep a police presence now on columbia through commencement commencement to the 15th the university has asked nypd to stay on canvas through at least the 17th of may to make sure that what happened last time, which is that they clear the encampment and then immediately we constituted itself. next the next day, and then we had the backlash across the country. they don't want to see that

reconstitution of any sort of encampment or anything else on columbia through the rest of this semester are really important point now the question will be, what will the police presence look like in that current iteration? thank you so much. my golf. all your reporting julia, want to bring in you here you were on campus when the nypd moved in to clear hamilton hall, what did you see yeah. >> so basically, we saw come in russia where we're walking they, came through and the front of the library building, butler library and moved straight into hamilton hall, where we have seen that healing chain by protesters there. i think you have a sense now, this is the middle of campus it is clearly a night, but quiet. you can hear a pin drop. sure.

at this point nypd did definitely the job that they came that was to clear and secure campus, trying to walk us wilson hall we have access to see what that looks like. right now. i'm not sure if allowed him some students are slowly being allowed that like i said to you earlier, are allowed to go back to the school of journalism according by nypd back on to campus only way to get the high khan two cancels this point, but it is really calm feel like obviously i want happened here tonight. there's been a lot of action in this site nypd officers on campus community happened actually, i think they're starting to offense on the tag

this is yours going started out of there for about two weeks ago. i don't know if you've seen it, but i'm noticing some are those bright yellow of ten on the west lawn quite symbolic you know, where we are right now absolutely. >> thank you for bringing us this reporting. it does seem that they are milling around that and camp an area i see also stands. there have been set up in anticipation for that may 15th graduation. i want to bring in senior political correspondent for the wall street journal, molly ball, also former senior congressional gop advisor, reno shaw. thank you both for being here. i mean, we are we've been watching this live as it's been coming out. of course, and we are seeing that we've got some people have been using all the rhetoric and discussions. this is an all over the airwaves from speaker johnson visit recently to president farmers

and trump talking about this and beyond, begin with you, molly, on this what are you making of the political reaction that is has already happened and what was likely to be tom well, look, this is these protests have deeply divided the democratic party. >> i think it's fair to say that the party is on fire over this. we've had some progressive democrats appearing with the protesters, show wanting to show solidarity with them other predominantly jewish democrats said decrying the protests, pointing to the anti-semitism that we have seen all over these protests all over the country and i think the president's silence is becoming conspicuous. it is his policies that are extensively being protested here. and he said very little and again, this is at a time when he's being criticized by the opposition, when some are even comparing this to charlottesville, which was the reason why he supposedly first ran for president. another

protest in which a president at the time equivocated about which side he was on i think i think the politics of this are going to continue to reverberate even if it is the case that the protestors are cochlear permanently from campus, our own jeff zeleny has some reporting as well, apparently more than 250 former obama biden staffers are blasting the white house over gaza in a letter, i have the letters dated today and they are imploring the administration to speak up and say more and call for an immediate ceasefire. >> i was redoing a one portion of it. >> it says president biden, you not uncommitted voters, or third party candidates are risking a trump presidency and our democracy by defending the war crimes and agenda of a foreign far right government. you are ignoring the growing majority of democratic voters recognize israel's war in gaza as a genocide and demanded immediate and permanent ceasefire there you are

abandoning your duty to represent us. the majority and you are responsible for the consequences of your own actions and inactions. that's just page that's paragraph two of an otherwise lengthy letter. so clearly from these 2d staffers are very upset is this, if you were to extrapolate to the larger audience though, is that in line we are months away from october 7. >> and of course, the horrific actions that happened over there on that day. and i think so much has been lost in this time and number one, we can fully expect for trump and congressional republican leaders to come out and message as soon if they haven't already attempted to prompt you to play somebody respond to others because trump actually did it. he's on fox news earlier tonight, perhaps repression about what you're getting ready to say, listen to what he had to say we have to stop the antisemitism. >> that's just pervading our country right now and biden as reduced uptake biden is supposed to be the voice of our

country good certainly not much of a voice is the voice that nobody's heard yeah. i mean, there it is. the painting of this as biden's america a week, america not just on the global stage, but a weakness here on the home front where you're seeing the tensions really would tonight's intense rate at columbia. and i must add them. i'm breathing a sigh of relief like many our that this did not result in any loss of life because anytime there's something that a university campus we can expect that there's a certain recklessness. people were willing to risk it all. but i think what's been lost really is at the core of what these students are protesting. coast-to-coast. this isn't just happening at ivs. why are people organizing? it's not because they're pro hamas or their anti-semitic, and they're of course those people but they are very few. i mean, there's bad actors and every movement, right? but these people are largely anti-war, an anti netanyahu what they feel is our tax that's fair dollars are going to do this hypocrisy to give this unfettered support to

netanyahu, say take our weapons, take our money, do what you want, and netanyahu is brazen. he just knows he'll get a slap on the wrist from biden on one hand, but on the other hand, we're giving billions of dollars in humanitarian aid in gaza, which is only trickling in for various reasons as we know. so it's all very complicated and looking at the politics of the moment, i am just saddened that this is where our country is right now in an election year, we're so much is on the line for all of us are the freedoms, whether you are man, woman black, white, brown, whatever you identify as there are a lot of things that have complicated themselves this year because our leaders have failed us in many ways. so on the one hand, i'm happy to see the students putting democracy in action because it's far better than apathy. but this painting with a broad brush that speaker johnson and congressional republicans did last week. it's sad in me, it was a missed opportunity. they could speak to the future of american instead, they were admonishing them, saying that they were all part of hate-filled speech.

well, it's just simply not true. we bring you into mali because the white house would say no, president has condemned. >> he spoke about the word he used about taking over from hamilton hall was that it was wrong now obviously there is far stronger rhetoric to use and that's part of the reason that he's been criticized about whether he has gotten far enough. there has been reporting about a back-and-forth between himself and netanyahu where secretary blinken has described some tension and of course, coinjoin as well as press secretary. >> but what, what, what does it take in terms of the political course correction if you're biden, i mean, this is a presidential election year, true. >> but even if it were not, the fact that there are comparisons being made to the charlottesville at all. >> there are their voices and good people on both sides what would it take for the biden mutation to course correct? i don't think there is a safe place for the president politically on this issue, given that so much of his base is demanding something that he can't give them, right? it is

not what it is not within the us power to impose a ceasefire on a war that we are not fighting. and our leverage over israel is limited right now secretary blinken is in the middle east trying to negotiate a ceasefire that the leaders of hamas has repeatedly rejected when, when neither party in the middle east really wants a ceasefire, it's not really within the us power to impose and that i think has been a problem for these protesters from the beginning. number one, that they're trying to put pressure on an institution whose connection to these events overseas is very tenuous. these demands for divestment when they don't even know what the investments are in the first place when it's not clear that that would have any effect on the conflict overseas and so obviously progressives liberals democrats are very deeply divided on this conflict. and i think that's part of the reason that we haven't seen the president really definitively take aside and exert leadership. and i think that is part, and i think

thankfully, i think these protesters have lost the country. i don't think that the american people a broadly on their sayyed and i think that they are continuing to marginalize themselves when we see scenes like these tonight, even if it is the case that most americans do support peaceful protest and do support the right to free speech, losing the country on the moment of the occupation of hamilton hall, perhaps is as sandi line in the sand for some. but let me ask me, we all know recently on capitol hill and obviously, president biden is the president of the united states. but congress was the one to the power of the purse to appropriate funding for not only the indo-pacific region and ukraine, but also israel why do you think it's not congress, which is led by, i know it's not even a razor thin majority at this point. it's like a majority were of the republicans. why is congress not getting the brunt of the wrath in terms of the policies if they're also giving funding. >> but we did see a few dozen

democrats, mostly on the far left left vote against the funding for israel when they were broken up piece valle and as well as some republicans on the far right and yet it was a robust, broad, bipartisan vote. and i think that reflects the fact that in polls, the vast majority of americans support israel in this conflict. now, support for israel's conduct in the war is a different story. support for foreign aid is a different story. it tore for netanyahu will have a different story, right and so i think it is possible to see a lot of subtleties in public opinion on this issue, but it is still the case that israel has broad bipartisan support in congress well, it quick run as we're watching the live footage from outside of hamilton hall, a very different place, two doors now open no longer barricade the property has been cleared and we know that dozens have been arrested. all that we do not know the exact numbers and of course, unlike the scenes we saw yesterday of a loan, state pumpkins, the official who is being pushed back as he tried to move back the crowd of

people who is coming inside, you see a police presence right now. liquid green when you look at this, this, this now under control is this also true? this will reflect well on biden it's hard to tell what this is going to do for biden really in the moment it's so easy to pin this all on one person instead of on congress writ large, which i think should be included. >> i think it's an important thing to draw these distinctions that you just mentioned. but in essence i think there's just so much tension and frustration with the status quo being what it's been this unfettered support we give for israel, and not everybody subscribes to it the way nikki haley paints it out to be that we there are only ally in the region and we have no choice but to give them that support. these students are engaging and have been engaging in what i think is an important critical thinking exercise. but it's gone too far. i've always been a big fan of assembly and non-violent demonstration, but i also have one for law and order, which is what the vast majority of americans or four,

so i think tonight's response was appropriate. i'm somebody that's been invited speaker to columbia three times over the years and greatly enjoyed that university community. and my heart really hurts for them today because this is a forward thinking community of what i would consider normal and tolerant people largely. >> well, we'll see what happens in the courtrooms in manhattan tomorrow. although the former president will not be sitting. number remember these students will in fact be called and arraigned, possibly on charges. when we come back, i'll talk to a columbia university student about how this fall's administration has handled this entire ordeal plus our law enforcement analyst, john miller on how the nypd went about clearing the protesters the whole myth has to be reimagined feed, you didn't know what the un next they were both tied up. >> yeah. yeah. i was called in

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>> i'm lauren fox on capitol hill, and this is cnn are breaking news more than 100 protesters arrested tonight at columbia university and city college of new york. >> that's after new york police enter the columbia campus. clearing out pro-palestinian protesters who had barricaded themselves inside hamilton hall. the doris had been barricaded with chairs and tables and vending machines, flash bangs, we're used to breach the building according to police. >> the nypd says that nobody was injured during the operation. >> cnn on the scene tonight reporting doesn't ends of people have been arrested and have been loaded onto buses. i want to bring in columbia student john towfighi. john, thank you so much for joining us this evening. we are hearing and following about what's going on there have been more than 100 students are hundred arrests on either students or not, but 100 arrests tonight i'm wondering, has the president of columbia communicated with you all yet

laura, thank you for having me on and i'd like to say that the communication from the president has been quite lackluster to the point where students have not received a direct email from the president addressing the student body as to the decision what happened tonight? >> of course, the university spokesperson and the office of the presidency did put out a statement around 9:00 p.m. addressing the decision to bring the nypd to campus. but i can tell you as a student of columbia, if an undergraduate who has proposed to graduate dismay. i have heard nothing and my peers or feeling quite left in the dark what was the nature of that communication that came from their rep was it explaining why was it supportive of the students? was it condemning of those at hamilton hall? what was the content? >> so the announcement that came out was condemning the protesters who took over hamilton hall of course, in the past 24 hours when protesters move from the encampment to hamilton hall there was an

escalation in the response from the university. today, the morningside campus of columbia, that's the main campus, was locked down only the accessible to students who actually lived in residence halls on campus. again, this was a decision that was communicated via abroad announcement to the community without any real personal touch from the university president the announcement they put out today was very condemning, was not necessarily supportive of the students and in fact, the presidency of and each fiqh has decided to keep the nypd on campus until may 17 i understand that you yourself are going to be graduating. >> i think this coming may may 15th, then the idea of the presence of the student of the nypd to be there. >> i wonder first what your thoughts have been in anticipation of your graduation, that there was this protest, that there was the encampment that has been there. were you concerned about the universities inability to ensure a commencement for you? and now that police will be

present likely after your commencement, how do you feel about about their presence you don't speaking to all of my peers, i think there was always a sense of concern that commencement was not going to be as it should be. >> however, there was an underlying sense of support for the student movement because it was a peaceful protests on the encampment law when the students moved into hamilton hall talking to my friends, there was more of a fractured opinion, more real concerns and feeling of sadness that we were the covid generation who didn't have our high school graduation, where we're going to see a similar fate personally myself i was not too concerned. i think i'm speaking on behalf of the community when i would say there's frustration with the university and any impetus for graduation not being as it should be, would fall on the university from my opinion. and those that i've spoken with a quick john as well, has there been a change in sentiment towards the president of your university?

before and after the barricading of hamilton hall well, i'd like to remind your viewers that minouche shafik joined columbia just last summer. >> so she's been president for less than a year and she made the decision on thursday, april 18, to call the police department to campus, which from then on on really change the sentiment in terms of kind of the favorable views towards your presidency. >> i would say, given the escalation to hamilton hall, there were people who and i would agree with you need a sense of order on campus. >> and of course, there are tough decisions. however, the lack of communication the sense of kind of a rash decision behind it, and the lack of transparency over why this decision was made tonight, as opposed to another time and why more of the faculty body was not consulted has left, i would say somewhat of a sour taste in the general columbia community when thinking about minouche shafik john towfighi is such a pleasure to speak with you. thank you so much for giving us the perspective of yourself as

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much more relaxed environment where students are starting to return to their homes, their dorms both down one 14th and up amsterdam. where those students are walking up amsterdam there. that's where hamilton hall is. that's where police made entry into it off of amsterdam avenue onto the second floor. use flash bangs to distract whoever was in there and then they were able to get at those doors and it had been barricaded. but right now we've seen no more arrests who sought to people arrested that were protesters outside we had followed protesters earlier that were around the front side of columbia they moved up to city college. there were protests. there, but it was just incredible to see police moving massive numbers, not just to go into the school, but to lock down the entire area around columbia university so they could completely control it. there were tons of protesters all along the barricades all around the university, but they

weren't able to get in. police, were able what to do, what they needed to do. and within hours had everybody that was not supposed to be in columbia out of there, laura i mean, are you getting a sense at this point of either how many people were ultimately arrested, but also what charges they might be facing from the police well, we saw dozens and we saw three or four buses leave, one 14, where they had people arrested. >> so we saw dozens of people being loaded onto buses here. there was also a what's amsterdam avenue and there were people that were put on those buses. and arrested they're breaking everything from breaking and entering to theft to not following the current tax wraps range it's not clear the range of charges and they may bring certainly some of them will be students as well. it is not clear how they're going to treat students.

they've, they've talked about expulsions were some suspensions for others, and possibly some of those that were suspended, they will go through a university process to see whether or not they can drop charges and allow them to reenroll in school either over the summer or next year. so i think a lot of this is going to be a moving target for quite some i'm laura. >> i'm seeing officers still behind you. i know you mentioned there is a bus removing some officers as well, but the president at columbia has asked for a police presence to be maintained through at least may 17, two days after their graduation, are the authors that we're seeing, are they going to be remaining in the area all night? >> i doubt these officers will, because most of these officers were the ones that went in and have been on duty now for many, many hours, but we still have tons of barricades all around the area. there are we've seen new officers come in and just in regular uniform, knot but any of the helmets in the pitons and the like. so i think

that they are going to have police officers, certainly in the area, but on the campus itself, you can lock columbia can pretty easily be locked down. so i think we're going let's that level of knockdown and making sure that ids are checked at different checkpoints, getting onto the university to make sure they know who is coming on to the university. in over the next couple of weeks because what they want to avoid is what happened the last time they tried this two weeks ago when they clear the encampment, it reconstitute itself within hours. it created this backlash across the country and even around the world. and then we are where we are today, whereas hamilton hall got taken over and police had to be called in for a second time. what they don't want to have happen is for protesters to come back, reestablish themselves. the university wants to get through finals at this point, and then commencement become a university again laura, he got marquez. thank you so much though the nypd says that they use so-called distraction

devices during their response to protests at columbia university's hamilton hall, refuting reports that tear gas may have been used just a little while ago, i asked cnn's chief law enforcement analyst, john miller playing, how the operation in hamilton hall went down john, you've been watching all of this and as we heard from miguel at one point and talk about distraction devices being used in hamilton hall tonight. >> what are those? >> so a distraction device is one of those things that you it looks like a can. you throw it? it goes flash and then bang, which is why they call it a flash bang and it basically, if somebody is waiting for you on the other side of it that means you harm it is disorienting just for a few seconds to the person on the other side and allows police to gain control. so when they did their entry today, not knowing what was going to be waiting for them on

the other side, they these devices into disorient anybody who might be you waiting for them with ill intent. as it was laura, their search of the building turned up relatively few people but they had to go floor by floor doing that search many people are talking about no, but i mean, i spoke to the people who were in the building and they said, we haven't run into a whole lot of people since we've been doing the floor by floor. i think what you saw their laura was they knew a couple of things going in. they knew one for certain, there was going to be no element of surprise it was in social media, it was on the news that police had been authorized by in writing by the university to retake the building i think the considerations that were built into their plans were to bring an overwhelming number of police officers to be able to show that overwhelming number to whatever number of people

they confronted outside and then inside that building, which was unknown, to minimize the use of force that they would have to use and as we see, they made a number of arrests still trying to get that number. the last we heard from police was 50 and counting. >> but we don't ever get that number. you think i'm obviously we believe doesn't have been arrested to your point, but there's not an official account that has been provided yet from the nypd. i suspect they're going to go through the booking process and also shimon prokupecz was saying earlier that they were allowing some people to just leave the area now they don't mean those who are for inside hamilton hall, right? those people around the area, people who were in hamilton hall where they all arrested. it seems so again, unknown people inside hamilton hall. >> and while we do know that it was a very small number. so i think what we saw is that once word got out that they were going to retake the building, the people hamilton hall may have left to join the group outside. that would be a less serious charge. it would likely

not include burglary or certain criminal trespassing statutes if they weren't inside if they were a student it would be something even less because it's hard to charge a student who is entitled to be on campus with one of those things. so that may be what we saw, but what they got was they got the warning, which is if you don't move away from the front of this building, yeah. you're going to be arrested. they were given time to comply with that warning and let me go inside the building. john, because actually say with me okay, i'm getting some new footage of what took place when nypd went inside of hamilton hall and they of course found that there were barricaded doors with chairs. >> we've heard about soda machines and beyond as you can see, the footage right now, john, but we're actually watching officers with shield with the nypd emergency unit. they have a hammer and a sledgehammer trying to break into areas that appear to have

libraries and sayyed obviously to the university campuses in an academic offense they're going up the stairs are passing down chairs. it seemed to have been areas of barricading as well. >> i mean, what i'm seeing right now is tactical gear, helmets and she'll holds then zip ties and i'm assuming that they would also have weapons on them because they would not necessarily know the level of resistance or if it was armed resistance that they would be in fact encountering. >> tell me about the coordination though, that it would take to have this many nypd officers on a college campus miguel marquez says barricading and closing off streets like broadway, and amsterdam major thoroughfare is really in these certain areas, particularly broadway. what kind of coordination and planning would it have taken to get to this point to have the resistance? be as minimal as it seemed to event. >> well, i think what you saw is over the last two days when students took the building, then barricaded the building

and then today as they held that building, the nypd has been talking to columbia university literally every day for two weeks about the group that was camped out on the quad on the lawn about whether columbia wanted police to come in and remove them a second time so when the building was taken, the security cameras inside where smashed barricades were put around at all the entrances columbia made the decision that this is where the line is drawn and called them in for a police. this was a plan that they had already been considering and that they brought a lot of people, but they also brought a lot of special equipment, as you mentioned, they brought the emergency service unit. those are the people with the jaws of life if they have to breach a door, those are the people with the tools to cut through any barricades that they have to those are the people who have the flash bangs if they needed a distraction device. but what

you didn't see was a lot of special weapons in other words, they they came armed the way police officers do with their side arms, but there wasn't any particular large number of swat type weapons because they knew they were dealing with kids. they knew they were dealing with protesters they knew they were likely to be unarmed. but they also knew that the possibility was they might meet some kind of resistance as they've seen in earlier protests. >> you, john we're seeing some footage familiar tonight and also some live footage of people who were on the streets and just we are learning that the university has been asking for the nypd to maintain some level of presence so at least even may 17, i mean shortly it will be may 1st, but that's at least almost a three-week period at that point in time to have additional police presence. what would that look like in terms of the amount of police that would be present? it's it can't possibly be the numbers we're talking about here. and we're seeing from tonight. >> but what would that look?

like? >> so that's going to be a judgment call about what that would look like. so first of all, let's say why, what does it mean, what it means is that a few hundred police officers came up to clear the kids who are both students and non-students who were camped out on that piece of ground. and then when that operation was over life resumed and they came back and they re camped out. so at this point, the college columbia university has made the decision. if we're going to retake that ground for the second time when we retake it we have to have a a program to hold it because we have graduation coming up in just a couple of weeks and we don't want to have to keep doing this either to that ground or the buildings. the police can do a minimal presence there, which is they can put jersey barriers, not jersey barriers. they could put the bicycle barriers around that piece of land they can have some limited access controlled access, or no

access as they prepare to set up for graduation, they can have a small number of officers around it controlling that and a larger number on the outside are thinking over the larger number on the inside, which i think might just not be the look they're going for, but at this point, they're still in that planning stage well, up next, tonight's arrest at hamilton hall on columbia's campus, coming 56 years after the 1968 action at the same building how could they in just a moment how this season's series has gone back. wall you outdoors i'm going to see a high level chest mass game five, celtics, mavericks, clippers covers begins tomorrow, which seven nba playoffs presented by google pixel with around one coverage presented by nerdwallet on tnt. >> moving forward with node positive breast cancer, my fear of recurrence could have held me back, but i'm staying focused and doing more want to prevent recurrence for his neo

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university and city college of new york, or in law enforcement most the arrests were made at columbia, including about two dozen protesters who police say tried to prevent officers from during the campus. >> tactical teams at columbia first set up a perimeter around the campus to hold back protesters and prevent any further arrests. officers then entered the campus through multi-bit multiple entry points i want to bring in a presidential historian, doug brinkley. doug, thank you for joining us. i'm so curious for your reaction towards unfolded tonight at columbia and how it compares to other historical protests. there well, of course, the obvious comparison was 56 years ago at columbia university where students were protesting the vietnam war that university's relationship to the defense department dr. martin luther king junior, had been assassinated that were raised racial tensions going on at columbia what's not often talked about the 700 people arrested and 68 with columbia

is what a hard time the university had for 20 years afterwards. >> meaning by nature, parents started deciding not to send their kids to columbia. it's not safe for me to be there. so for a university these of events that we're seeing here is troubling. but now columbia is simple low symbol of, you know, lord do stuff hundred plus universities around the country where people are protesting events have happened in like we're university of texas where 45 out of 79 of the students arrested and at ut we're from outsiders, not even students on campus. >> does that effect. do you think the way that perhaps the legacy of these schools might be impacted obviously, when we talk about the physics years ago, that was a majority of students, but now, as you've mentioned, does that proportionality impact the legacy it does to this degree, i was sewn at university of

southern california right now and it's attention filled and people are trying to study. >> i mean, 400 that were arrested, say at columbia tonight or what's going on at us? a c they're just all these other students that this is a big moment of their life, but they're big commencement ceremony. i heard one of the leaders of the student movement talking about this is the covid generation. they've been feeling locked up there doing a lot of remote and they just want this to be smooth sailing coming up. but what we're watching the new york but tonight at columbia is not the end of anything. i mean, there's one story. what happens to these students? do they get arrested for breaking and entering or is it just obstructing police business or something like that? or do they get amnesty? does colombia say if you're a real student, we're going to the name of free speech give me a pass. i think it'll be a case-by-case basis, but this is going to escalate until commencement gets over. and of course, all of us that covered politics or

are wondering what will happen in chicago come august when the democrats have their convention and it'll ring are 1968 bell, once again, really important point because as you often say, history repeats itself and certainly is deemed to be repeated. if we don't learn from it, but i do wonder what is the view from this oracle perspective of seeing police officers, not campus police who often don't have the authority to actually arrest or more of a a maintenance of safety, not necessarily effecting of arresting agency. what is the impact of how police have been clearing the campus? and i've police had been brought get to places like ut austin and other areas. >> they're giving the university of texas austin did a terrible job, a man handling students in a very dramatic, harsh way. a lot of it is in police training. i mean, how do you how do you do an arrest in new york city by contrast, it looked like at least at this

moment that the rest were done in a kind of saying peaceful way. there was no cure gas being sprayed, there was no violence of the encampments on campus will be dismantled. but general rule of thumb, you don't want to start militarizing universities and this does touch the aclu free speech issues galore coming up here right now, but this seems it got contained today at columbia university, tonight but now it's mayday. may 1, and protester on america are going to continue because many don't have commencement for weeks to come it'll be interesting to see it really quick. doug, how does this historically have impacted the president who is empowered oh, it's you know, richard nixon won in 1968 as the law and order person. >> do you realize in chicago in 1968, democratic convention protest here? as married daily

eagle whole bit, nixon came back to chicago two weeks later and we're had a peaceful 250,000 people cheering nixon. he started seizing law and order and i'm not going be surprised if you're going to see donald trump ostensibly the republican nominee, start trying to weigh in on the law and order sayyed, and try to punish joe biden because this is happening on his watch through all never want to lose sight antisemitism is unacceptable in america. i hate speech of any kind. we need freedom of speech, but you're not, it's intolerable to be able to get be little people on a public campus by saying racial slurs or antisymmetric pick tropes. >> thank you so much for your perspective and also reminding us about the historical perspective that is at play. we'll be watching in the de is to come and i do. thank you. and i thank all of you for

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