we signed a historic agreement on the normalization of relations, then my question was, on october 7, there was a terrible attack by hamas on israel, that’s all, now the war is going on, but this means that the radical muslims have not achieved any success if these negotiations with the saudis are continued arabia, saudi arabia, obviously a key country in the middle east, one of the key countries, and if they come to an agreement with israel. then they can be followed by the remnants of those countries that have not yet agreed with israel, because we know that a huge number of countries have already agreed on normalization of relations, then all these vain hopes to isolate israel, to continue some such tricks, speaking in russian against israel, all this would be in vain, and the world will live its own life, and all these problematic moments may be, well at least temporarily healed. well, the first

remark: the middle east will remain the middle east, and the intrigue there will never disappear anywhere, and to hope that after the establishment of diplomatic relations between israel and saudi arabia, graz will end, unfortunately, fortunately, well, for whom it is useless. secondly, who are radical islamists, now the main confrontation is with iran and... this is a slightly different kind of radical, and radical, and islamists, this is a different country, and it is not known for whom it is a bigger enemy, for israel or for saudi arabia, if the united states did not de facto deprive saudi arabia of its security guarantees, saudi arabia would never have restored diplomatic relations with the islamic republic of iran with the help of china. but the united states has shown

itself to be an unreliable ally in the middle east in a certain period, maybe it will change, or we hope that it will change, well, how is it to anyone, again, and the saudis were forced to normalize relations, and here it is very important, in fact, the idea of ​​the future, the idea of ​​the role of the united states in ... in the middle east, well, we can see how recently american politics has become feverish, and how advice from our overseas partners immediately begins to spread less in kyiv, the same in the middle east, let's go to iran then, to iran, well you, you listed who is harmed more by politics iran or israel? harms the politics of iran,

the iranian ayatollahs. as far as we can believe, two attempts, powerful attempts ended in nothing, that is, i don't remember the penultimate one, the last one was literally a year ago, a year and a half ago , there were, and there were very large, public demonstrations , and there were executions, there were tortures, there were . the deaths, the killings of these people who came out and that's it, it's over, that's it, that's all right, now they're coming out just like they used to come out against the government, for the government that's bombing israel, everybody's smiling and dancing, that's it, that we have forever the situation with iran, can there be any changes, maybe on horseback, maybe these warriors, like the islamic guards. something will be changed,

maybe the political system will be changed, direct elections will be normal, maybe, in short, something can be expected, or it all stands as it stood frozen, as it was in 1979, so it still stands, well, the first remark, completely different groups of the population come out for protests, come out in support, and the one that came out for the protests is much larger than the one that comes out in support now, it is different. the point is that the one who comes out in support is armed and can use excessive violence immediately, but will the anti-regime protest win? well, there are a lot of factors nobody knows, in fact, there were many attempts already from inside iran, and it was not externally inspired, it was really internally... provoked and internally

motivated protests against the regime of the islamic republic of iran, popular uprisings, practically movements, or can they win, yes at some point they can, do they have chances, yes there are, which are not very big at the moment, so they can still to exist in such and such stagnation, well , at least in the foreseeable future, in the short term for sure, but at the same time it is necessary to understand that the regime is really unpopular and the regime is illegitimate. it relies on violence on the one hand, excessive violence, i.e. the readiness to immediately use murder, shoot, and all that, war, use poison gas, whatever against one's own

citizens, on the one hand, on the other hand , there is about, well, 20% of the population stable base that is also ready to die for the regime. and by the way, this is a very big difference from the late soviet situation, when there were not those 20% who were ready to die for the soviet union, so it will be difficult, it simply won’t happen in iran, it will be very difficult, if it starts, it will be very difficult, mr. serhiy, but we are always very careful about such words were also used in our ukrainian history until the 14th year, and now somehow we are calmer, and our russians... our neighbors have been saying for a long time: only without weapons, we are peaceful people, we will stand so peacefully in white socks on some benches and we will, that is, wave some balls there, and the belarusians do the same behaved themselves, and perhaps the emergence of

an armed opposition in iran, from an opposition that understands that if the government shoots at the people, well, then it gives the people an indulgence to actually shoot at the government. well, it is there, the other thing is that it is uncoordinated, this armed position, it mainly has the characteristics of ethnic groups, ethnic militias, yes, the kurds have something, the baluchis have something, other national minorities have something there, but yes , of course, there is no prospect at the moment. peaceful protest in iran, and there is only a prospect armed overthrow of the government, nothing more. you and i called biluj, kurds, a huge number of ethnic azerbaijanis, i don't remember, well, more, i think,

than in azerbaijan, azerbaijanis live in iran. and what is the relationship between the central government and the northern half of iran, where azerbaijanis actually live, and azerbaijanis. this is the support of the government, it is internal, if there is one, they are satisfied with this government, what is the role of the azerbaijanis? very different, there is actually not as trivial national politics as it can be to appear from the outside, azerbaijanis occupy the highest positions, in particular, in particular the supreme leader, in particular other heads of state, yes. well, as in that anecdote, the soviet, in the russian empire had three periods, there before petrovsky, petrovsky, dnipropetrovsk, well, this can be done with certain big assumptions, but

applied to this situation, you see, azerbaijanis are also the same beneficiaries, part of the azerbaijani establishment, the same beneficiaries of islamic. republics, like persians and azerbaijanis, are included in the highest the establishment, in particular the highest , has nowhere to go, and therefore the situation is not so simple, on the other hand, there is now a growth of azerbaijani nationalism, and many people say that, especially after the recent achievements of azerbaijan in... in southern azerbaijan , not only azerbaijani nationalism is growing ethnic nationalism, but also solidarity with the state of azerbaijan, that things are a little different in iranian realities, and uh, because the islamic republic

of iran is unfriendly to the republic of azerbaijan - a state, and there in tibriz and around it solidarity is growing. with the republic of azerbaijan, not just azerbaijani nationalism. and yes, of course, this is a threat to this state, but, again, and... the establishment does not discriminate against azerbaijanis, azerbaijanis are not discriminated against, the situation is more complex and interesting, yes more complex, i agree with mr. sergey danilov, deputy director center of middle eastern studies, because iran has brilliant relations, no wonder, with armenia, with armenia there are excellent relations, planes fly. iranians who can't drink in their homeland, they drink

armenian cognac very skillfully in iran, play some games that are forbidden in iran, and so on, and at the same time shiites of iran and shiites of azerbaijan are not on very good terms with each other, this is really very surprising. thank you, mr. sergey, for being with us and explaining, even to me. well, not even, but just to me, as it turns out, azerbaijanis play a rather important, serious role in the politics of iran and are close to the supreme leader. now we will have a break on a few minutes, and then we will have georgia, i.e. from transcaucasia to transcaucasia, so let's say, if we call iran to transcaucasia. okay, pause now. laughter, physical activity, sneezing. even during such

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people rose up there again to protest against for... we once discussed this law in quite some detail, when it was a year ago, it was in march of last year, just when tens of thousands, if not hundreds of thousands, came to the central street the capital of tbilisi, which is located where the parliament is located, right in front of you you see a photo behind me, this is the parliament right there, and opposite the parliament. these are people who are protesting against the law, which is simply very similar, very similar to the russian law on so-called foreign agents, i will tell a little about what is going on, because mr. valery is not here yet, i hope he will be, but there is no guarantee, because there they are quite serious and the protests are starting,

i just wanted to ask how serious they are, whether they will be able to prevent the adoption of this law, that is, the law on foreign agents, one of a number laws, as we know, the russian federation, if it pretended long enough to be putin, that it is so civilized, normal, somewhere from 2000 to somewhere 2000 of some eighth dash of the 10th years, well, on the eighth they already announced that they would be aggressive, and then putin returned to power again, and just then a number of laws began to be adopted , among them the law on foreign agents, this law was called very... very much in order to greatly simplify, oh, you see how, and you say , that in ukraine there is no problem in the parliament, but in georgia it’s definitely not a problem, such a problem, yes, and this law, a draft law, it was, then it became a law, simply cuts off the financial possibilities of any independent movements in russia, i

said it’s too difficult, i agree, let’s say you want to... plant trees, it's not really, it's not always politics, really, you think, let's do landscaping, and you mean you're telling the world, telling through the internet that here we want to make sizran a beautiful green city, but we can't, that's why what is foreign, foreigners collect money, they say, yes, we do too, we like to have a lot of money in paris, in syzran, and in new york. and we help everyone in this way, and here they are collecting money, but you can’t send this money to the russian federation and there they will arrest this money, and it is forbidden to take it, accept this money and so on, and it’s just for the whole, for the whole complex absolutely political, non-political, apolitical, quasi-

political, here, for example, there is some organization of torture in prisons, it is fighting. so that people there are not mutilated in prisons, well, it would seem that it is beneficial for everyone, this your citizens are russian, and you have no right, you want some landscaping, environmental problems, some medical problems, someone is sick, and some volunteers there find money, but a boy or a girl had an operation, you can’t do it if it’s foreign money and so on and so on, so now the government is pro-moscow. unlike the anti-moscow people of georgia, or maybe some part is anti-moscow, but it is very small, he decided to follow this putin path and gradually, gradually adopts various laws that are very similar in russian, that's what they call

the russian law in georgia, they call this law so directly, precisely about foreign agents, that... what is meant, obviously, is that europe helps democratic georgia and somehow involves georgia in its european ranks. the vast majority of georgians are under 80%, 75, 80, well 70, at least, they all want to join europe, they all want to join nato, here the majority of the georgian people have exactly the same policy, and the government, which, obviously, which... is headed by a formal or informal, informal leader of the government is a person with russian roots, or rather with financial russian roots, she earned her billions precisely in russia. then she moved , and many people suspect that she moved to georgia not for nothing, but on the instructions of the federal security service of russia, well, putin directly, but they just removed saakashvili

and won the election from him, it is not known, well, it is known how, well, as if honestly, or maybe dishonestly, we don't know, i don't know, i won't talk here, and now they are in power, and step by step they are starting to adopt some such strange decisions, and among these decisions there is just that... this law, the so-called russian law. the second point is that a year ago they also tried to push through this law, and there are quite a lot of interesting points, interesting for us, but i think that it is not interesting for georgians, these points will be very dangerous. a year ago, a little more than a year, there were 13-14 months, the parliament of georgia, where the majority is pro-russian , too... by the way, there would be questions, if mr. valery came, i would ask him: how is it in georgia, where people for nato and the european union, actually votes for, excuse me, for the pro-russian

party, and it is in the majority in the parliament, and last year they decided to put this law to a vote, tens of hundreds of thousands of people just came out to... they put a prospectus on shotor, i was there a lot i was there several times during the civil war back in 1991, and then in various circumstances, both military and peaceful, so they were removed from the vote then, because there was just a sea of ​​people on the street, and what is most interesting, removed from vote, they took an oath not to vote again. and violated this oath, and now it was put to a vote, and it was accepted in the first reading, and now everyone is waiting for what will happen next, what can happen

next, so it is obvious that the ruling party called the georgian dream, it is pro-russian, but it understands that elections are ahead, because there is still a democracy there, which does not exist, and the elections must be won, or martial law... or invite russian troops, and nobody wants that, because then it is a civil war, well , in short, it is not everything is so simple, on the one hand it is necessary somehow that all this law does not exist, because the europeans have already cursed the georgian government, both the europeans and the americans have already said that this law is absolutely not normal, undemocratic, terrible, and it keeps things away. to the georgian dream, that is, to become a member of the european union and nato, and on the other hand, there are probably some belts, some threads leading from tbilisi to moscow, and russia insists on

doing so, georgia, i am even convinced that the georgian government, not the opposition, says , listen, well, we will lose the election then, because we could cheat here and here and here, that is withdraw from europe, but... but say in words that we are not withdrawing from europe, get closer to russia, or, but say in words that we are not getting closer to russia, we continue to be, because according to the words of the leaders of georgia, they are all legitimate for europe and for nato, only they are taking steps opposite to nato, not to nato and to the european union, this is the story, we have 5 minutes or so... we will have time to talk with valery chechalilashvili, georgian diplomat, economist, politician , i don't know if we'll make it in time, because after all, it's 15 minutes, like them

there were only five left, and we start the conversation, i will speak in ukrainian, mr. valery will speak in georgian, as i understand it, according to ukrainian legislation , we cannot communicate in russian and we will not, good health, mr. valery , thank you for finding time for us, thank you very much and and the first and main, and the first and main question: to what extent can there be a repetition of the events of march last year, when georgia actually defended democracy and did not let the law on, well, how georgians call the russian law, this russian law about foreign agents, about foreign influence, to what extent is the situation the same today, how far can we believe that the georgian... people will defeat the georgian government, and of course it is happening right now, of course it is happening now on...

this law, because we see that people are against it, and a year has passed and the authorities are passing this law again, and elections are ahead, and that's it, there is no doubt that people will already see that it is pro-russian, not pro-european the government, yes, but this is not the first time that the government has not will keep his promises, this is not the first time this has happened, so this, no, can't you hear me?

do you hear me, yes, we hear, and now we have started to hear, but i did not hear before, but i said that this is not the first time when the government does not fulfill its promises, and this is already perceived as normal by society, and it is ready for confrontation with by the authorities, because this... this is not - this is not only an attack on the european aspirations of georgia, it is first of all an attack on georgian democracy, because the consequences of this law, if adopted, will limit our freedom of speech, basic human freedoms, and and that and also the second, the second are also fundamentally democratic. the last

question, mr. valery, what can the georgian authorities count on in the next elections, because everyone in ukraine is surprised, the georgian people are too much for the european union, but the majority of people who are actually against nato and against the european union are elected to the parliament, as it turns out, so it turns out, because the authorities also say that they are also for europe, and with this, how to say, well, it is not entirely clear to the people whether i am really for europe or not, and now with this law the government's goal is to to polarize the society, and if

the next... once again georgian society, will georgians look at it differently now? well , the first time, the first time they failed to deceive the georgian people, i hope that this will not be possible now, too, and the georgian people will win. thank you very much, thank you very much. valery chichalashvili, georgian diplomat, economist, politician, was in touch with us, my part.

tonight ends, i bid you farewell until tomorrow, all the best. the murder of a 20-year-old policeman on as far as vinnytsia is known, in bukovyna, an employee of the tsk was attacked by unknown persons and fled ukraine in such a way that he broke his leg. greetings to everyone from espresso, i'm anna javamelnyk, news editor, summing up today's day. five people were injured as a result of a rocket attack on odesa, among them a three-year-old child.