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join the ranks of the hundredth separate mechanized brigade of the armed forces of ukraine, let's keep the line together. welcome to the espresso channel. today in our war and weapons programme, we will be talking about the battle for the skies, air dominance and how to achieve it for our air force and defense forces in general. and here, of course. but the first steps are to receive f-16 aircraft from our partners, these fighters rely on high hopes, but it should be understood that these aircraft in a limited number will not become something like such a universal silver bullet, however , in a certain way , the f-16 will be able to change the rules of the game in the sky over ukraine, while, by the way, the minister of foreign affairs of denmark recently claimed , that the first... f-16s, he

said, we will deliver this summer, and most likely, these will be the first f-16s that will be used for air defense missions. and the prime minister of belgium said the other day that ukraine can receive the first plane by the summer this year, which is quite positive. and while we are waiting for fighters, ukrainian unmanned aviation complexes add new opportunities for the defense forces. they develop as they adapt to the new requirements of the military. so we will find out all the details about f-16 fighters and domestic drones in the next issue of our war and weapons program with ukrainian aviation experts and drone developers. my name is serhii sgurets, i am the director of the information and consulting company defense express, which is now jointly with kanal espresso strives to highlight the most relevant trends in the life of the army and defense pro'. word

complex, and now we are joined by valery romanenko, an aviation expert, a leading scientist, mr. valery, i congratulate you, i am glad to see and hear the espresso channel on the air. to each other, have a good day. of course, we have the basic topic of the f-16s, but the even more basic topic is air dominance, and i can't help but start with the first question, which is about the fact that today the commander of the air force said that it was possible to shoot down this... russian the tu-22 m3 bomber used by russia for the attack. what is your reaction, can we assume that this carcass was shot down, perhaps by the s200 complex, as the russian a50 was shot down before. well, i'm still waiting for more detailed messages, so to speak. they say that they really shot down the s200, in terms of range, it... matches,

in general, these bombers launch kh-22 missiles, in which the range there is approximately 400 50 to 500 km, yes, accordingly, they are suitable for hitting, well not only at the front of the city, to fly somewhere deep, they can come closer to our territory and thus find themselves in the range of our long-range systems, well, i think that, and as far as i know... before the start of the war, even before the start of the invasion , one s200 division was restored in our armed forces, and maybe we got additional missiles or additional launchers or in general whole complexes that were in service with poland and bulgaria, remained in service with poland and bulgaria. well, i hope that this trend will continue, it will scare the enemies, and now we will move on to the subject of the f-16. and can we now talk about the general

numbers of the quantities that we are receiving from our partners and the expected technical characteristics of these aircraft, which... the best figures we can hope for in those realities, given those previous promises from our partners. it is difficult to say anything here, because everything in naski is so closed from any media coverage that one can only make some assumptions. well, the first assumption is that we will get the planes in the same condition as they were, ah, let's say, well, in the armed forces, let's say. yes denmark denmark and norway, yes, these planes were, well , let's say a little bit out of date, they're block 50-52 standard, which is the main plane in the united states air force, the united states air force,

but there are radar stations, 66 stations, there is a second modification or a third modification with a range of 110 km. compare with the russian fighters su-35, su-30sm, yes, the range is about 300 km, that is, it is inferior, perhaps, perhaps, during, so to speak, the current, well, overhaul of these planes, before they are handed over to us, some more modern radar stations will be installed, well, then, of course, our chances for... a full-fledged fight, the opportunities for our pilots to fully fight against russian fighters will increase significantly, well, besides, this is an average option , if we still get planes with radar stations of a different trip

type, for example there is the 86th station, and it already has 120 km, and in general for all the planes that passed emeda. mlu midaate, yes, i.e. modernization in the process of their punishment, in the process their exploitation. well, they got an opportunity during the next such stages, as they call it, after bole, modernization is difficult, this is mllu, and then there were stages of improvement. so, after stages, several stages, these planes received missiles with a range of 160 km, which is a total of 40% of kilometers. exceeds the range of russian missiles, that is , somewhere we lose in capabilities, somewhere we gain better capabilities for defeating russian aircraft, but in general, i really hope that these aircraft will have such modern, powerful on-board systems

of defense, always in nato countries, in the united states pay special attention to what an onboard... defense complex is a radio-electronic equipment that can detect the radar irradiation of russian fighter jets, missile launches and set up effective obstacles to divert these missiles, so that they do not hit the plane. well , if these conditions are met, we will receive enough aircraft that will give our pilots the opportunity to fight the russians on an equal footing. well, i'm not talking about the fact that we will be able to destroy the russians more effectively cruise missiles, because, for example, the last modification was the installation of apkvws missiles, such as on vampire complexes, and for destroying

drones, the cost of such a missile is 25 thousand dollars, for comparison, the cost of shahed, well , somewhere up to... 2000 150-2000 dollars, that is , we will be able to use the f16, if there are even older models, we will be able to destroy the russian shaheds quite effectively and cheaply, well, in general , the question is, you know, inexhaustible, equipment, such different options of weapons, so you better ask some such more specific points, because i can tell a lot here, because i know quite well... these machines, i see quite a lot of them, well then it actually turns out that we will have to form such tactics where we have advantages, that is where we act, if we have a radar there worse than that of the enemy, and the missile is better, after all, we will probably get involved in the task of air defense rather than some aerial duels, where

we will definitely have worse indicators and greater risks, so for sure now the tactics of using these f-16s will rather be directed on task air defense, well i think that's the imperative, the main imperative that's going to be in front of these aircraft, because you see the russians are now using... the x69 missiles, the ones that fly at a lower altitude, sometimes are breaking through our air defenses, we have a beam, let me remind you that this is valery romanenko, an expert, we are currently re-recruiting our guest, we are talking about f-16s, which should already arrive in the summer, or by the summer, as our partners say, the main purpose of these many ... functional aircraft may be different, but it all depends from the modification of the planes and from the weapons

that will be transferred to our partners on these planes, valery romanenko especially also emphasizes that it is extremely important that we receive these planes with radio-electronic warfare systems, which will primarily provide important protection of these planes against russian missiles with relocation guidance, this is extremely important. because this will be another indicator of the improvement of the efficiency of our aircraft and their protection against the russian threat, because the russian su-35 aircraft are armed with missiles there there are x33s, which have a range of up to 300 km, as they claim, and this very combination in russian long-range aircraft has been detected up to 300 km, plus these... long-range missiles create potentially significant threats, especially since at one time in this tandem with the 135my

, the a50 works in the same way, that is, an aircraft that tries to detect enemy aircraft, and we understand that this spark of the a50 and the so-35 will act in tandem with our f-16s as well. we hope that then the ukrainian f-16s will act in tandem with airplanes nato avax, because these planes just have much better capabilities than the russian a50 long-range detection plane. this avax aircraft provides the transmission of data on enemy air targets to the f-16 fighter and thus, even if our f16 in the first versions or in the versions that we will receive will have a shorter detection range due to the capabilities of the avax aircraft, our pilot is still ... will have good situational awareness of where

enemy aircraft are. mr. valery, when we speak about the list of weapons, you mentioned air-to-air missiles, but our partners talked about the fact that long-range means of impression, which can be used for strikes on the territory of the russian federation, will be transferred, about what means. impressions can be discussed and will we not encounter the appropriate reaction of the united states in order to avoid such hostilities against the russian federation? well, here the question is so interesting, it means here, if we get permission only for harm missiles, yes, that is one thing, but if we get missiles jasm, we can already destroy russian rears at a great depth, because... the latest models of jasm missiles have a range of up to 900 km, that is, in fact, we

will be able, let's say, to destroy russian ships right in the harbors, but they are not even it will be necessary to catch them in the sea, or it is in the crimea, yes, there are none here at all, there will be no obstacles, because crimea is allowed any. nato assets that we receive, we can harvest in crimea, but in general, if there is permission to shoot on russian territory, then, accordingly, a number of defense enterprises is at risk of being destroyed by these missiles, after all, it's not 50 kg or 20 kg, as the warhead on our drones now stands, yes, but 450 kg... grams, that's already serious. and i can't help but ask the price question, because we're saying there will be the first

six aircraft, then maybe we'll go up to 50 f-16s, but mark milik, the former chairman of the us joint chiefs of staff, talked about that this is quite an expensive pleasure, he said that 10 planes cost billions of dollars, and getting them more... a billion dollars, that is, in fact, 10 planes are 2 billion dollars a year. when we are talking about 50 such machines there, the question immediately arises whether we will incur these costs or whether we need to balance between. quantity and our economic capacity, well, don't forget about the cost of the weapons that will need to be used, one amraam missile is already more than a million dollars, well , i'm an amraam with a range of 120-150 km, but in general, very expensive weapons,

besides, we don't get new planes, that's it indeed in... the cost of their operation can be very high, but i hope that if we show the result of the use of these aircraft, then i think that the help from the allies will increase, because you see, it directly depends on our successes, there were successes , we were more or less supplied with weapons there, and i can't help but ask whether... not to, shouldn't we now be concerned with increasing the number of pilots that can use these f-16s, because now we're talking about the optimum , there are like 12 pilots, isn't it necessary after all to think about increasing the personnel, so that later it would not be a deterrent factor in obtaining aircraft, well, we already have a group

of young pilots training, in fact without combat experience, and she has already... trained in great britain, and i think that this practice should to continue, and the more pilots we have, the easier it will be somehow, so, well, understand, we will get one, at most one brigade of aircraft, that is 22 squadrons, 24 aircraft, and the russians can oppose us with up to 500 aircraft of new models, that is, in terms of quantity, we... well, we have to somehow increase the number of these planes, because there will be losses, well, of course, war is war, there will be losses of planes, losses and pilots, in relation to the optimal number, well, we need to assess the level of losses of planes after some period, at least a few months

of combat use of these planes , but for now i think that it is necessary to feed as many pilots as possible. if there is such an opportunity, if the new sets are from the kharkiv air force institute, then it is possible or the university of the air force, yes, it is possible to send our guys as much as possible to train not only pilots, but also ground we have to have personnel and a supply of pilots, because planes, you see, we were promised up to 60 planes, plus belgium will also be decommissioned, there will be... other countries that have improved these machines, well, there are, there are opportunities , i think that there are opportunities to increase their number, i think that if everything goes well with the united states, they also have more than a hundred aircraft in warehouses, but not in warehouses, there is a storage base in arizona and there

are up to a hundred aircraft, so and i think that still, well, it's too early to say. about the optimal number, it will show, the experience of the combatants will show actions i hope that the combat experience will be effective enough, and then at the very end of our conversation i cannot but ask about other american aircraft, about the a10 tanbolts, which are actually being removed from the armament of the american army, and a number of american publications wrote about the fact that the minister of air of the us forces spoke about the fact that... ukraine is not interested in receiving these planes, although it seems that there were preliminary proposals for the possible transfer of these planes to ukraine, although the same minister says that the planes are old, the planes it is difficult to operate, but a number of ukrainian publications picked up this topic again, that it seems appropriate to take on these aircraft for the needs

of the armed forces. what are your assessments of such proposals and the rationality of such opportunities? well, you yourself say that we need the optimal number of pilots for the f16, yes, if we start training pilots for the a10, yes, then it will simply be a suicidal reaction, because this aircraft is, first of all, very vulnerable, in fact it is a flying cannon, which is 30mm there the gun is huge, very powerful, you know, its barrel can be put on it like this. it has a huge diameter, yes, a very powerful gun, but the range of damage of the entire gun is 3 km, that is, the plane will be instantly destroyed, it is designed for... actions in conditions of absolute dominance in the air, that is, there is no, there should not be any anti-aircraft guns in the area of ​​​​its effect -missile complexes, and the russians

have a short-range armor there, yes, there is also an average range of a beech, there is also a long-range s-300, s-400, yes, that is, these planes, they will not even be able to hit, strike any enemy, will be destroyed on the approach, i'm not saying anymore about the fact that this aircraft is not capable of driving. air combat, it is not universal, it is just an attack aircraft, it is not able to carry amram missiles and conduct any air battles, yes, it does not have a radar station, that is, it is not even able to detect enemy aircraft at a long distance to escape in time, it does not high-speed, and therefore, if we get these planes, it will be a loss of our resources, efforts, shey, because we will still have to operate them, yes, and of the flight crew, that is, those who write that such planes we need, well, let

's read a little bit about this aircraft and the conditions of its use, well, i will say one sentence that the americans believed that they had about 500 such aircraft there during the cold war, and they believed that they would be enough for two weeks hostilities mr. valery, thank you very much for these explanations and about a10. and about the f-16. let me remind you that it was valery romanenko, an assessment expert, a leading researcher of the state aviation museum. and then we will talk about our unmanned complexes, how they help defense forces, but about it after the commercial information break. oh, there are no potatoes, you'll bring them already, assina. be like dr. theis and you'll be back. works comfrey ointment - german ointment for pain in joints and muscles oops, natural comfrey ointment from dr. theiss, the joint pain is so piercing, it does not allow me to move,

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to start with the fact that, in fact, your company has developed and ensures the use of various unmanned systems, including fpv drones of the osa type or under the osa brand, kamikaze attack drones, there is the repulse of kyiv rus. what are your samples? drones are currently most actively used on the battlefield and what is the greatest demand from our military? there is a demand for long-range drones, such as repulse, this is 40 km for 30 km, that is, those that hit targets, that is, already along the line of contact that pass rebov obstacles that can be brought to a... by gps coordinates, if there is such a possibility, or by the operators themselves can be brought to the target, we are also

active. we are working with special services on the use of the osa drone, but i cannot say anything here, because this is closed information, now we are focusing precisely on drones, countermeasures, and they will already be, if it were, the main brand that will now be supplied to the front, the order is for your systems, what about this, who is your main... customer now, does the volume of current orders allow ensure scheduled loading of your production? does not allow at all, and such a situation is not only with me, not only with us, so we closed the contract with the national guard, now our guys are working with them on the technology of application in the zaporizhzhia region, there they are helping them

to work more professionally. on the contact line, we periodically go there, so, and, but for example, here we are now finishing the production at our own expense of 500 drones, 10, bepaks, in fact, unmanned aircraft complexes, and so far there is no contract, i met with high-ranking officials, spoke with the heads of the uav departments, someone says that there is no... funding now for contracting, that is , there are no prospects for long-term contracting, of course, this month we are stopping production and will wait for the next steps, because every day is the cost of salaries , these people are not hanging under armor, that is, partly we have booked someone, partly people are just afraid, because tomorrow they can be taken away. not by

qualifications, but by what is needed, in fact, people are really needed on the front lines, but we are worried about the qualifications , the qualifications, engineers, assemblers, electronics technicians, and therefore, we do not see prospects in this direction for the coming months, we are now very focused on the supply of other types of weapons, we are working on it, by the way , the first contact became, this... i think such serious information became the first official supplier agent of deal defense, this is a large company, which is german, which supplies iris systems, large radars there and so on, that is, we were the first to become official and passed compliance. we will work now with other large companies, german, french, and so on in the drone production

of drones, this is the story i told. well , this story is somewhat strange, because the president also talks about long-term contracts, which our enterprises seem to need, your enterprise has been developing unmanned strike systems for various purposes since the 14th year, there is a practice of using them, there are military groups that use your complexes, and as i understand it, there is no adequate reaction from the ministry of defense, the ministry of digital affairs of the state special communications, that is, there is none at all order. on yours, neither on the wasp, nor on repulse, nor on kyivan rus, so it turns out, well , look, there are a lot of wasps, that is, only the special services with which we work quite closely, they work for their tasks with us, but this is separate work outside of the state special services and the ministry of defense, i.e. the wasp, which is such a military analogue of the mavik, means that they are only now realizing that these drones, which in...

about which i spoke, yes, they perform their own mission, but it is impossible to spend 80% of the budget of the budget only for fv drones, which, well, they do not work under rebo, what great losses they have, therefore, it is necessary to finance long-range bombers, but not necessarily kamikazes, not necessarily those that are 800, we also have kyivska rus at 800, but this line, a line of 40, 30, 40, 50, 60 kilometers, it not contracted to date by the ministry of defense, not contracted by the general staff, the general staff makes applications, and so far , funds, as of yesterday i have information on contracting, they said that there is no for for for for this kind of drones, well, this is also strange to me, but the situation is...