in tandem with the su-35, the a50 works in the same way, that is, an aircraft that tries to detect enemy aircraft, and we understand that this spark a50 and the su-35 will act in tandem with our f-16s. we hope that then the ukrainian f-16s will act in tandem with the nato avax aircraft, because these aircraft have much better capabilities than the russian ones. a50-th long-range detection aircraft, this avax aircraft provides data transmission of enemy air targets on the f-16 fighter, and thus, even if our f-16 in the first versions or in the versions we receive will have a shorter detection range due to the capabilities of the avax aircraft, our pilot will still have good situational awareness of where the enemy aircraft are. mr. valery,

when we talk about the list of weapons, you mentioned air-to-air missiles, but our partners talked about the fact that long-range means of impression will be transferred, which can be used for strikes on the territory of the russian federation, about what means of impression we can discuss whether we will meet accordingly. of the united states to avoid such hostilities against the russian federation? well, here is the question, it’s interesting, so here, if we get permission only for harm missiles, yes, that’s one thing, but if we get jasm missiles, then we can destroy russian rears at a great depth, because the latest models jasm missiles, they have a range of up to... 900 km, that is, in fact, we

will be able, let's say, to destroy russian ships right in the harbors, but they won't even need to catch them at sea, or, well, that in crimea, yes, there are none here at all, there will be no obstacles, because crimea is allowed, any nato resources that we receive, we can harvest in crimea, but in general... if there is permission to shoot on russian territory, accordingly, a number of defense enterprises are also at risk of being destroyed by these missiles, after all, not 50 kg or 20 kg, as the warhead on our drones now stands, yes, but 450 kg is already serious, and i cannot help to ask about the price of the question because ... we say that there will be

the first six planes, then maybe we we will reach the figure of up to 50 f-16s, but mark milik, the former chairman of the us joint chiefs of staff, said that this is quite an expensive pleasure, he said that 10 aircraft cost billions of dollars, and their acquisition is another billion dollars, that is , actually 10 aircraft is 2 billion dollars a year, when we are talking there ... we are talking about 50 such machines, the question immediately arises, are we going to incur these costs, do we need to balance the number and our economic capacity, well you don't forget about yet the cost of the weapons that will need to be used, one amraam missile is already over a million dollars, well, i am an amraam with a range of about 120-150 km, but in general very ... expensive weapons, besides

, we are not getting new planes, and indeed the cost of their operation can be very high, but i hope that if we show the result of the use of these aircraft, then i think that the help from the allies will increase, because you see, it directly depends on our successes, there were successes, we have supplied more or less. weapons, ot and i can't help but ask whether we should now take care of increasing the number of pilots who can use these f-16 planes, because now we are talking about the optimal figure there, like 12 pilots, should we still think about increasing personnel, so that later it would not be a restraining factor in obtaining aircraft. well, we have already

trained a group of young pilots, in fact without combat experience, and they have already undergone training in great britain, and i think that this practice. must continue, and the more we will have pilots, it will somehow be easier for us , so, well, understand, we will receive a maximum of one brigade of aircraft, that is 22 squadrons, 24 aircraft, and the russians can oppose us with up to 500 aircraft of new models, that is, in terms of numbers, we also have to somehow increase the number of these planes, because there will be losses, well... of course, a war is a war, there will be losses of planes, losses and pilots, in relation to the optimal number, well, we need to see, evaluate the level of losses of planes after a certain period, at least a few months combat use of these aircraft, but for now

i believe that it is necessary to feed as many pilots as possible, if there is such an opportunity, if the new sets are from the kharkiv institute... then the air force, yes, or the university of the air force, yes, it is possible to send our guys as much as possible to train not only pilots, but we have to have both ground personnel and a supply of pilots, because planes, you see, we were promised up to 60 planes, plus belgium will also be decommissioned, other countries that have improved these machines will also be decommissioned, well... yes, there are opportunities, i think there are opportunities to increase their number, i think that if everything it will be okay, with the united states, they also have more than a hundred aircraft in warehouses, but not in warehouses, there is a storage base in arizona, and there are up to a hundred aircraft, and i think that

, after all, it is too early to say about the optimal number , it will show, the experience of combat operations will show. i hope that the combat experience will be effective enough, and then at the very end of our conversation, i cannot but ask about other american aircraft, about the a10 and tanbolts, which are actually being removed from the armament of the american army, and a number of american publications wrote about the fact that the us secretary of the air force said that ukraine was not interested in receiving these aircraft, although there were apparently previous ... proposals for the possible transfer of these aircraft to ukraine, although the same minister says that the aircraft are old, the aircraft it is difficult to operate, but a number of ukrainian publications have picked up this topic again, that it seems appropriate to take up these aircraft for the needs of the armed forces,

what are your assessments of such proposals and the rationality of such opportunities? well, you yourself say that the optimal amount is needed f-16 pilots, right? if we start training pilots for the a10, yes, it will just be a suicidal reaction, because this aircraft, first of all, is very vulnerable, in fact, it is a flying cannon, which is a 30-millimeter cannon, huge, very powerful, it, you know, its , you can put a barrel on it, it has such a huge diameter, yes, a very powerful gun, but the range of damage is intact... to have 3 km, that is, the plane will be instantly destroyed, it is designed to operate in conditions of absolute dominance in the air, that is, there is no, should not be there are no anti-aircraft missile systems in the area of ​​its effect, and the russians have a short-range

armor there, yes, there is also a medium-range beech, there is also a long-range s-300 s-400, yes, that is, these planes, they will not even be able to hit, hit some enemy will be destroyed on approach, i am not talking about the fact that this aircraft is not capable of air combat, it is not universal, it is just an attack aircraft, it is not capable of carrying amram missiles and conducting any air combat, yes, it is not has a radar station, that is, it is not even capable detect an enemy plane at a long distance to escape in time, it is not fast, and therefore if... we get these planes, it will be a waste of both our resources, efforts, money, because we will still have to operate them, yes, and of the flight crew, that is, those who write that we need such planes, well, let them read a little and read something about this plane

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mr. valery, i congratulate you, glad to see and hear. greetings, greetings, i would like to start with what in fact, your company has developed and ensures the use of various unmanned systems, including fpv drones of the osa type, under the osa brand, kamikaze attack drones, there is the repulse of kyiv rus, which. which models of your drones are currently most actively used on the battlefield and what is the greatest demand from our military, there is a demand for long-range drones, such as interceptors, that is, at 40 km, at 30 km, that is, those that hit targets, which means that they are already behind the contact line , that pass through enemy obstacles and which can prove or by gps coordinates, if there is a possibility of this or that,

the operators themselves can reach the target, we also actively cooperate with the special services for the use of the osa drone, but i cannot say anything here, because this is closed information, now we are focusing precisely on drones, and they will already be, as it were, the main brand that will now be supplied to the front. eh, orders for your systems, what about that, who is your main customer now, does the volume of current orders allow you to ensure the planned loading of your production? no allows, and this situation is not only for me, not only for us, so we closed the contract. with the national guard, now our guys are working with them on the application technology in

the zaporizhzhia region, there they are helping them to work more professionally on the contact line, we periodically go there, that means, but for example, here we are now finishing the production of 500 drones at our own expense, 10 bepaks in fact, unmanned aircraft systems, and there is no contract yet, i met with high-ranking officials, spoke with the heads of uav departments. someone says that there is no funding now for contracting, that is, no prospects for long-term contracting, of course, there is no, this month we are stopping production, and we will wait for the next steps, because every day is the cost of wages, these are people hanging not under the armor, that is, partly we someone

has been booked, partly people are just afraid, because tomorrow... they can be taken not based on their qualifications, but because they are actually needed on the front lines, people are really needed, but we are worried about the qualifications, the qualifications, the engineers, the collectors , electronics engineers, and therefore, we still do not see prospects in this direction for the coming months, we are now very focused on the supply of other types of weapons, we are working, by the way, the first contact with... became, i think, such serious information, became the first official supplyer agent of deal defense, this is a large company, which is german, which supplies iris systems, large radars there and so on, that is, we were the first to become official, passed compliance, we will now work

with other large companies, german , in french, but in the drone production of drones, this is such a... story, as i told. well, this story is somewhat strange, because the president also talks about long-term contracts, which our enterprises seem to need. since the 14th year, your company has been engaged in the development of unmanned strike systems for various purposes, there is a practice of using them, there are military groups that use your systems, but as i understand it, there is no adequate reaction from the ministry of defense, the ministry of defense, the state special forces, that is, none at all. order on yours neither for osa, nor for repulse, nor for kievan rus, is that how it works? well, look, there are a lot of wasps, that is, only the special services with which we work quite closely, we have work for them for their tasks, but this is separate work outside the state special forces and the ministry of defense, that is, the wasp, which is such

a military analogue of the mavik, so they are only now realizing that... the fpv drones that i talked about, yes, they fulfill their mission, but you can't spend the budget, 80% of the budget, only on fpv drones, which, well, no, no work, which are great their losses, that's why long-range bombers need to be financed, but not necessarily kamikazes, not necessarily those with 800, we also have kievan rus' with 800, but this line, line 40, 30, 40, 50-60 km, it is not currently contracted by the ministry of defense, it is not contracted by the general staff, the general staff makes applications, and so far the funds, as of yesterday i have information on contracting, they said that there is no for for for for this kind of drone, well, it is also for me it is strange, but the situation is such that

there are many producers who are not contracted, you can make growth on the market. and ask who has what capacities and how much they are contracted under these applications and so that you can really plan your life, the life of your company for the near future, this is not available now, maybe someone is fully contracted, i have not seen such people yet, well, yesterday, seems to have been a statement by kamyshin, who said that, relatively speaking, we are loaded there for... 2 billion, we can produce products there for 20 billion, if i am not mistaken, and we need to look for foreign money so that with foreign money order from our enterprises, and maybe then there is another version, probably still can reduce the number of enterprises that manufacture, but load them with work adequately in order to have, well, guaranteed quality and

guaranteed quantity of products, because the impression is that you are not the only enterprise , which does not have contracting, in particular... there, athlon avia , a leading enterprise, also says: "i don't have volumes for the next year, and in fact, in two months, he will have the same situation when he will not have an order for perspective and he is looking for variations on how to get out of this story. well, look, then there was no need to tell everyone that everyone who has the capabilities, capacity and permission to operate has received nato codes, everyone will be contracted." these were the statements of more than one minister, not only fedorov, not only, not only the minister of defense, not only the chief of the general staff, everyone said, including the president, that... everyone who passes and can be supplied, everyone will be contracted, these words passed everywhere, we were told at all meetings and so on, but this not

yes, that is, everything turned out in such a way that there is a skew in such a way that cheap drones, which burn en masse on the front lines, and high-tech things, in which funds are invested, minds are invested, which are invested there... intellectual potential, time, finances and so on further, they, they turn out to be in a secondary place, and we have such an opinion that it is probably easier there, somehow easier to carry out some, shall we say, incorrect procedures, so that they understood that this drone was made by a chinese complete set, it all went quickly, that's all it is clear and so on, but where there is a technological process, there where there is - well, the investment is serious engineering, where development needs to be constantly invested in rent, in that it is already more difficult,

and therefore less financed, but it is really needed on the front line, and we are not fighting only in a 10 km zone, we need to neutralize those means of impression that the enemy has, means of suppression, at 30, 40, 60 km. headquarters, decision-making centers and so on, and this also needs to be developed, yes, maybe at the first stage it does not work out, these things do not work out impressions, but you change the frequencies, you work on it, it is a constant investment of your resource, your people, a risk, because we, we leave in the collision zone, we risk the equipment that is not contracted, which we are. .. we take our own funds, collect volunteer funds, and invest in order to go abroad and improve our domestic equipment, so that we do not

have to buy it three times a day abroad, and these things need to be developed, this is what we constantly say from the very beginning of this executive committee-scale rejection, yes, we have been saying this since the 14th year, but it has come, there has come such a stage when there are simple decisions, let's do it. there are enterprises that quickly produce fpv, which means that even some deputies are already saying, oh, i have to do something, there is a lot of money, it is easy to do, recruit students there or collect it in the kitchen and so on, that is, everyone has seen it, what is there, that there is easy money, i bought a complete set, yes, it comes later and so on, but i did everything and it was gone, it is not protected from the slave, it, it 10% to... flies to the target, yes, well, i 'm here, the first person who showed the fpv drone to the diligent commander-in-chief, i first showed him, he saw

it for the first time on the training ground, when the americans tested theirs, we showed ours impression at the training grounds at the time, we brought this story to the central security service, but it was ignored, ftv then ignored other developments in which... you need to invest no less than cheap drones, you need to make serious investments and investments and contract those companies that do something more than simple fp-drones, and this is not happening now, and 80%, i repeat, of the budget goes to such cheap drones, and you should talk to the guys on the front line, who now need means, not only for 10-15 km, but also further, and they... and they are not purchased, they, they are not invested in, this is such a story, and i am not the only one who is so sad about punisher, ask punisher, we recently

talked there with an ideological inspiration punisher max with music, who worked there for a while with the state, traveled and so on, the same situation in punisher, and you see the situation there, you say that in athlon, in artemma yes. so, yunik has the same situation, air reconnaissance, i don’t know, maybe things have changed there, we talked a month ago, but here, well, this is a story that is distorted, and it should not continue to live like this, they should go back and do high-tech things, because this is a perspective, this is the future, unfortunately, of the war that is needed, well, then i will ask about, on the one hand, about a new official. about the leader of a new kind of unmanned forces, does he understand these risks, on the one hand, or you met with him, and on the other hand,

it actually turns out that this procurement system. based on the creation of these government procurement agencies, which are based only on cost indicators, then de facto this system actually goes against the very things you say, that by buying cheap samples, we will never have money for such things that will be sustainable to the reb, more reliable, more complex, but at the same time more expensive, so it turns out, it's a little bit wrong here, no, no, a little bit wrong, the procurement agency headed by marina. it is actually like a bank a military officer who is given orders by the general staff, what to purchase and where to purchase, and that is why she actually fulfills the orders, the needs given by the general staff, so here they cannot be said to be in the wrong system, the problem is that we do not understand who in the general staff makes the final decision, at least

until today we did not... drones that are inserted into the half they were inserted for the purchase, they didn't even have certification, you can imagine, that is, we went through 5 months of certification, tests on the front line, on training grounds, and so on. came to contracting, we were not contracted, but at the same time companies were promoted that did not have certification, but at the same time they were given orders to be financed, that is, some companies are not at all unclear on the market, there were such questions, no i know how it will be now, and this is the first, second, indeed, under the previous leadership of the state special communications. all that, well, one

in a word, indicators of cheapness and non-comparison of technical characteristics was a traditional method, that is, there was a head of the department, who is no longer there, who was engaged in this, who could afford to make a new assessment of military, military equipment there, without having the qualifications for this, after the national guard or other units submitted an application and said: i need... these drones, no, they were told, yes, we'd better buy them, who are you, to say what the military needs, when you sit in the office, that is, such things, they were, as they will be now, here look, now the latest information is that funds, funds have not been allocated for the purchase, and now a decision will be made on which drones to purchase, well, let's see how, how, how transparent it will be, how adequate it is and

how equitably it is at least. but those capacities will be loaded, those capacities will be loaded that are in the companies that were preparing for serious things, the release of serious things, and now they have, if there is no contract, to dissolve their teams and close production and freeze it all, and then, to defrost all this, it takes two or three months, and also the delivery of the complete set in parallel, it also requires two, three, four. months, depending on which complete set and in what volume you will make, we do not deviate from our strategy, we are creating an enterprise for the production of motors, which means that it is also a difficult thing, we do not have normal motors, no one produces them, we let's get into it , we analyzed six of these chinese enterprises, identified two, in the end we chose one because of such a history of lies with

the chinese... the parties passed, everything and we will do it, we will do it a serious line for the production of motors, but if there will be such contracting by the state , it is unclear who will need these motors in the future, and so far we do not see all those statements that say that a million drones will be released there , and they can be released very easily. do not solve the fundamental problem at the front, heavy drones are needed, heavy kamikazes are needed, 3, 4, 5, 6 kg, in parallel with long-range strikes, yes, and these things that are there from a kilogram to two to three at a short distance, they do some their tactical things, but not no close these problems at the front, therefore such

a story that has to be changed must necessarily change and