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paul: we cover a very busy saturday on capitol hill where moments ago the house voted to pass a $95 billion foreign aid package that includes money for israel and ukraine. let's go to chief congressional correspondent chad hergetram. >> reporter: i will talk about what the house has done for the last hour and a half. there were four main complaint of the foreign aid package, a bill to curb the use of tiktok in the united states, that pastor hundred 60-fifty eight. there was an aid package for taiwan, 385-34 with one member voting present. the controversial bill, aid to ukraine, 311-112 with one member voting present. there were more democrats who voted for that than republicans. the republican breakthrough on ukraine, there were 112
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republican nos and only 101 republican yays. israel, 366-58, 37 democratic nos there. this goes to the senate in a couple days. what we do not have in the house of representatives was enough for marjorie taylor greene to kick out the speaker of the house. marjorie taylor dream did not initiate a new speakers race. here's what she said after the series was complete. >> i think people have been too obsessed with voting for wars and the murder industry in america and understand how americans are angry. >> reporter: marjorie taylor greene is trying to gin up support in the new congress if republicans maintain control of the house of representatives so they put somebody else who conservatives would like in the
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speaker's chair. drennan -- dan crenshaw thought mike johnson is a stronger position based on moving this foreign aid package which summer publicans did not like but some said they need to get this aid to israel and some are steadfast in their arguments for ukraine. here's the speaker of the house, mike johnson. >> reporter: i don't walk around this building being worried about a motion to vacate. i have to do my job, we did. i've done what i believe to be the right thing, to allow the house to work its way out and you do the right thing and let the chips fall where you may. >> reporter: mike johnson remains for now. the house designed the package in a way that each individual bill is melded into one plan for the senate which expects to align with the house next tuesday afternoon. paul: why did marjorie taylor greene pull the trigger on the motion to vacate? >> reporter: it's about the
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math. she didn't have the votes. democrats would have been willing to try to help him. that was not the case last fall with kevin mccarthy. democrats kind of with a wink and a nod indicated they would be willing to help mike johnson if he did, quote, the right thing. it may have been putting this bill to aid ukraine on the floor. they passed it. they passed it with democratic votes and mike johnson stays, marjorie taylor greene would have lost. paul: let's bring in our panel, columnist kim strawser land bill mcgurn and kyle peterson. you heard that from chad. all of this would appear to vindicate speaker mike johnson's policy of breaking up those bills so each could pass and you could have different coalitions with each one. is this vindication for his strategy? >> absolutely. i did the math. in the end if you look at the
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ukraine bill, 72% of the house voted for it to the israel bill, 84% and the taiwan bill, 89% and the question is why didn't these things pass back in october given the overwhelming support? the answer, some paul holdouts among the republican party who used the fight with kevin mccarthy to strengthen the ability to block things on the floor and mike johnson was concerned about these threats, of a motion to vacate. he decided what changed it is not just the republican majority got angry about all this obstruction but democrats got tired of it too and their indication and willingness to join with republicans to get this through some of those obstacles on the floor and the suggestion that they would be there for motion came up shows this was the right strategy, johnson gets courage for bravery, wasn't a preordained outcome but he was vindicated.
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paul: the majority of republicans come 112-101 voted against aid for ukraine and it is a betrayal because of the democratic votes. >> i don't think so. he was for ukraine aid. we won a bipartisan agreement on this aid and i think he was right to push it through. as he said after, he decided this is the right thing to do. i am astounded the republican objections, when i think of these aid bills i don't think ukraine is real and taiwan. they are enemies. letter putin's russia, hamas, and iran and china and i think the republicans were good, johnson was good to stand up for it and get the democrats on his side and it tells you marjorie taylor greene, if that was so true that there was such
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lopsided opposition, she wouldn't put through a resolution to bring down the speaker and she didn't. paul: she offered an amendment to one of the bills that would have stripped aid for ukraine. she only got 71 republicans for that so that suggest there's not even majority republicans for that and 112 votes, difference between 71-112, some republicans are trying to protect the red flag in the primary. >> that is correct. the overall vote was so lopsided he gave some of these people who face tough questions about ukraine through their constituents a free vote to vote no knowing the bill was going to go through. it is important to underline that 1/3 of this funding for ukraine is to replenish united states weapons stocks. paul: we've been transferring weapons to ukraine. >> that's important to understand because think about
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the people who voted against zeroing out ukraine aid but didn't vote for the final package, they may have been eyeing the fact $20 billion to buy us weapons for us forces in that package and would not have wanted that to go down in the end. paul: what does this tell us about the republican party, seemed to be deeply divided at the grassroots and loud voices in the online media, talk radio and so on. does this tell you they don't control the republican party after all? >> they remain a minority and that's important for people to remember. it has ever been so. this isolationist streak is certainly there but if you look at all the votes that have come up on these issues through congress they remain undecided.
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there was an interesting series of polls in the last couple months among very conservative house seats, safe seats for republicans, it shows in the 60% and above, people are supportive of the main ailment of this package among republican primary voters so what happens, they have the ability to magnify their voices with radio hosts, online or with these don'ts to say motion to vacate which can give them a lot of attention but that doesn't necessarily translate that they are the majority voice of the party. they simply are not. paul: speaker johnson was an accidental speaker, got the job as a compromise choice after all the other people failed to get a majority after kevin mccarthy was deposed. he had a real baptism by fire. what's your assessment of his attempt to govern? >> he pulled off a major victory whether you agree or
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not. the perverse rule of democratic legislators is the smaller majority, and power a few people on the fringe. they have more power and that happened here. and i think he decided to if i am going to lose of the job i will lose it on principle, so be it. let the chips fall where they may. he is a quiet man. he doesn't get into public flights, he stuck to his principles, did what he said he was going to do and put it to votes, let people have their votes and clearly of the of the will of congress was to pass this thing. he also made the point this is about not sending american troops and we went to support taiwan before an invasion. we want to support it before hamas can attack again and
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ukraine to push the soviets back if we can and not have american troops. in the bush white house, we didn't do anything if the iraqis were like ukraine, fighting against the enemy and we have a great ally there and it is for america's that he voted. paul: democrats get some credit for helping the rule passed that allowed this to go to the floor and pass. >> absolutely right. it is rare for the opposition party to vote for majority party's rule but once the new house comes in if republicans take control look at who is on the rules committee. paul: still ahead, as a deeply divided congress votes to approve critical aid to our allies we talk to former prime minister liz truss and the
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paul: as the house votes to approve crucial aid to our allies i spoke to former british prime minister liz trust on the role of this in the world, trust is author of 10 years to save the west of the revolution against globalism, socialism and the liberal establishment. >> this debate in the united states, a contentious debate over new weapons for ukraine. you were foreign minister when clara putin invaded ukraine. how crucial are those american weapons and if we don't deliver those, could vladimir putin win in ukraine? >> very crucial that everyone steps up, europe steps up in providing the weapons they
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need. a long-range weapon, in order to take on russia, it has taken too long for those weapons to arrive in ukraine, too much fear of escalation rather than being clear that the war aim is for russia to be defeated. that's what we need to see from the biden administration, we need to see clarity so the american public are convinced this is important and doable. and i think it is doable and lots of people say this is an issue for europe and we've rapidly become an issue for the united states if vladimir putin wins. paul: because of the threat to nato and vladimir putin's armies would move up to more of the border of nato but do you think vladimir putin would threaten nato? >> yes. i believe he would stop in
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ukraine. i believe he would be in eastern europe. he talked about his ambitions for greater russia to re-create the soviet union and if he is successful in ukraine the baltic states will be under threat in eastern europe and i absolutely agree that europe hasn't done enough. they were complacent, haven't spent enough on defense but if we think vladimir putin's victory in ukraine will be the end of his ambitions that's completely wrong. we will embolden president xi and what message would it send about taiwan if vladimir putin was successful in ukraine. paul: of the united states decided to abandon ukraine. you mentioned a defeat for vladimir putin. how would you define that? >> what it looks like is russia being pushed out.
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because he cannot be rewarded for aggression and the signal that is "happening now," to these authoritarian regimes is aggression is rewarded and that is a terrible thing. there were huge failings in 2014-15 when vladimir putin was not taken on over what was happening, that is why we have ended up where we are with the invasion of ukraine so we could have learned about the lessons of history but we went through this in the 1930s for the sake of commerce, with germany and thought hitler could be maintained and we ended up with the second world war and we are in a dangerous position. paul: as you look at the
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political debate in the united states, there is an increasing fashion and each party that says we want to withdraw from world leadership because we have been debt ourselves, this is the burden of other countries, what's your message to americans who say that? >> america can't withdraw from world leadership. america is the leader of the law from reading world and america itself will be threatened if of the us doesn't step up. if authoritarian regimes get a stranglehold, if vladimir putin is successful and president xi continues his expansion ambitions, what happens next? what happens if the dollar loses its reserve currency status? what happens to america itself?
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it is unavoidable and like it or not, democracies, freedom loving countries look to america. paul: what would happen europe of the united states were to stand back and say nato is your responsibility now? >> i don't believe that would happen. he is 100% behind nato which is important. but i am absolutely clear that europe and the united kingdom, we will defend our freedom and democracy. and we will, we will not give in. as we haven't given in in the
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past and the united kingdom. america is an important ally. you can't disconnect russia from china and iran. these authoritarian regimes working together if russia is successful in emboldening china and that poses a huge threat to the united states. paul: thanks for joining us, good to see you. when we come back another busy week ahead for donald trump and his legal team with opening statements set for monday in the hush money case in the supreme court is poised to consider his claim on presidential immunity.
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paul: with a full jury of 12 people and six alternates now seated opening statements set for monday in the hush money trial in manhattan. the former president facing a gag order, prosecutors say he has already violated as the supreme court is set to hear oral arguments in his bid to claim immunity from criminal prosecution with a decision expected from the justices. by late june. it is shaping up to be a busy week for the former president and his legal team. what is the most significant news we learned from the trial? >> the biggest thing is a little about about these 12 people and a slice of new york who will be rendering a verdict in this case. that was expectation that jury selection might take a couple weeks. the judge and lawyers blazed through that. these 12 anonymous people on investment banker, educator,
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physical therapists, residents of manhattan, not hear from originally, some grew up here and there's been some speculation there were two lawyers on the jury, might be good for donald trump, this is a complicated case where the district attorney often bragged not only has to prove donald trump falsified business records but did so with intent to commit or conceal a second crime so it could be your that has been discussed some. whether those lawyers will be zeroing in on that. paul: do we know anything about the doors political message? >> they were asked if they have views of donald trump and it must've been an odd experience for him sitting in the courtroom unable to speak is people said things about him, one guy said as a hockey fan, thanks for fixing that ice rink back in the day. must've been an odd experience. they were asked about media diets but not a lot.
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paul: what about the gag order the judge has imposed? trump has already violated it. say what you wants about the judge or the prosecutor but can't talk about court personnel or witnesses. they have a hearing on it, the prosecution's claim that he has violated it. what do you make of the gag order and its breads? >> this is a tricky one. the person i blame for putting us in this situation is out and brag for bringing this case in the first place because the judge is in a tough place. he has an obligation to make sure his court employees aren't feeling threatened by this. there is some concern about extending it to witnesses. how can you have some of the people that are going to testify against donald trump, they can talk to the press all they want, say everything, make
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all their accusations that he can't respond to that. the additional issue of disco this is a guy running for office and whether you like it or not a lot of people view these as political prosecutions. is he for britain from placing them in that context and talking about the motivations of some of the people working with prosecutors? we will see how far the judge takes it but it is a serious question and a little unprecedented. paul: of the witness in particular, the prosecution witness, donald trump's former fixer who was on msnbc all the time calling donald trump a liar and the judge says trump can't say anything about:. >> gag orders are fairly common or not unheard of, but this is so broad and trump is not trying to win the case in court, he thinks manhattan is 87% voting for biden last
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election, he knows he is going to lose, the question is it evens out, trump only needs one juror to side with him for a hunger jerry. i think that is more likely where it is going. have one guy have reasonable doubt. so it evens up a little bit. when that is understood. paul: of the supreme court hearing on the immunity claim by trump, he claims he is immune from prosecution because the president is immune in all cases from prosecution for official duties. what do you make of this case? what should we be looking for? >> it' s a case that's worthy of being decided by the supreme court. a previous supreme court precedent said with respect to civil lawsuits, the president is immune from civil lawsuits for actions that were taken within the outer perimeter of his official duties, the basic idea of that is if the president takes official action and can be sued left, right and center for that, he can't do his job.
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there's probably some appetite on the supreme court to extend that to the criminal context but one of the interesting questions, is what donald trump is accused of doing in this case, the january 6th case, is that stuff that was done in his official capacity as president or in his private capacity as presidential candidate? paul: does that supreme court precedent for civil cases apply to criminal charges? that's number one. but then, do -- is what trump is charged with part of his official duties? that question is a more complex one. >> that one might get returned back to lower courts to be dealt with. the first one is the first ordered question for the court here at the moment. what is are markable about this is when the circuit court looked at this they totally blue by that entire question.
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is there anything covered under a presidential action? they said no president is above the law. that's a fine general sentiment to make, but obviously it is an enormous issue if you are simply going to leave a president open for later prosecution by -- for any act that was taken in office. i would note that will be on supreme court members's mines too. lower court said donald trump is his own case and that will never happen again. i can think of an easy prospect of future presidents asking their department of justice to take the same tactics and look at a former president and try to end up with the same result. paul: this matter, if they remand it, he has some immunity but they need to find the facts and whether those were part of the duties. this may kick this case past the election. >> better question for these
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paul: as the house passes crucially into israel the biden administration is making clear the us was not involved in an early morning strike at an airbase in central iran in what appeared to be is relapse first military response to terror on's attack. g7 meeting in italy friday, antony blinken emphasize the administration's goal continues to be de-escalation in the region as president biden looks to calm tensions ahead of the november election. the chief executive of the foundation for defense of democracy. good to see you again. this response from israel seems to have been effective in the sense that it hit the target but it was also restrained. why do you think the israelis responded like this? mark:the israelis trying to thread the needle, to keep close relationship with the
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united states. president biden said don't to the irradiance and they fired 320 missiles and drones that israel and he said don't to the israelis and the israelis had to respond. there was an unlimited strike. it showed impressive israeli capabilities. symbolically important, some damage to irani and assets. the israelis accomplished what they wanted militarily, symbolically without getting into a political fight with the president. paul: elaborate on the symbolic importance here. what kind of message did it send to iran about israeli capabilities? >> the israelis fired 321 ballistic missiles and drones at an israeli airbase. all of those were shot out of the sky showing israeli technological wizardry and partnership with the united states and their allies. no planes were damaged. the israelis turnaround, took a
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fighter jet and shot a ballistic missile right through the air defense of the irani ends. russian purchase air defense more sophisticated than the first battlefield operation, and that struck and irani and air force base. we can do it successfully so that the message to the supreme leader that military assets, leadership assets and nuclear assets are held hostage. paul: do you think the israelis would have responded with more missiles in response. of the president of the united states hadn't been calling for them not to respond at all. take them in was the quote. it was the israeli defense minister called it week online. would they have done more? >> they would have done more.
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the proposal to the war cabinet consisted of more targets and obviously the most important thing was the regime in iran may show a certain degree of weakness and fecklessness in terms of its actual capabilities but it is on a pathway to nuclear weapons and is a stone's throw and is a stones throw from having nuclear weapons so israelis have to understand and i think they do understand and trying to persuade president biden of this that they need to stop going after the weapons scientists and the facilities that enable the march to nuclear weapons. paul: the big question is whether or not it will deter iran from attacking again. attacking israel directly for the first time, and still has the ability to essentially order its proxies to strike israel. is that enough to deter iran?
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>> the islamic republic has been at war with the jewish state for 45 years, not sure will deter iran. we will see multiple rounds, this has been a war in the shadows and the islamic republic using its proxies, the first direct attack against the jewish state. nothing happened, there were a bunch of drones, toys, they did everything possible to downplay this because they were actually surprised by israeli capabilities for air defense systems in terms of the strike at an airbase. paul: regarding the nuclear program, they've been moving forward, you documented this all along the way. what should president biden do to change his policy to contain this?
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his desire to have negotiations has gone nowhere. >> donald trump adopted a policy of maximum pressure which brought the irani and economy to its knees, general soleimani, battlefield commander, and president biden came into office and said maximum pressure doesn't work, i will adopt a policy of maximum diplomacy. it turned into maximum different and maximum concessions and most of iran's nuclear escalation has occurred on president biden's watch. he needs to make clear rhetorically and in terms of us military positioning that he's prepared to take care of iran's nuclear weapons capabilities. at the end of the day, irradiance are on track to build an intercontinental ballistic missile which will be nuclear tipped, only has one address, the united states of america. up to the united states, not a small country like israel, to deal with the growing nuclear weapons threat. paul: do you see any evidence
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this is likely to happen from the biden administration? the sanctions they introduced against iran after attack on israel seem to me to be mostly beside the point. they still don't get to the heart of the financing that iran gets from selling oil. most of it to china. >> those were performative and symbolic. the biden administration has been and prepared for sanctions but provided billions of dollars to the irani ends in terms of access to frozen oil funds and the uranian's are exporting tens of billions of dollars to the chinese without fear of punishment. the admin a station has to get serious about sanctions. if they are not serious about that, they are not serious about stopping the nuclear weapon program. do i think there biden admin a station will get serious? i don't. at the end of the day the israelis will have to do what
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they've done twice before when they took out saddam hussein's nuclear weapons program and bashar al-assad. we are subcontracting national security to try to defend us. paul: thanks, appreciate it. the biden administration scrambles to calm tensions deadly least, new wave of anti-israel protests erupt at home. our panel on what it could mean for the president's reelection bid next. -ugh. -here, i'll take that. woo hoo! ensure max protein, 30 grams protein, 1 gram sugar, 25 vitamins and minerals. and a new fiber blend with a prebiotic. (♪)
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pro-palestinian encampments. the arrests come after he testified about anti-semitism on campus. >> we condemned the anti-semitism that is so pervasive today. anti-semitism has no place on our campus and i am personally committed to doing everything i can to confront it directly. paul: let's bring back our panel. these protesters, what do they want? bill:ostensibly they want a cease-fire in gaza. really, they are anti-israel, they want to disrupt life. right now they are planning on disrupting the democratic national convention and it is kind of a war between liberals and progressives or progressives and radicals. it is -- the targets -- conservatives don't run colleges and are not usually
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mayors of big cities. it is a real challenge to liberal elites in the country whether they cannot accommodate this unrest or just surrender to it. it is a positive move the president of columbia tried to disperse them. paul: the protesters say this is a free-speech issue, they are exercising their constitutional rights and what do you make of that defense for what they are doing? >> i am the ultimate first amendment person, there's a difference tween free-speech and disruption, what we are seeing with these different protests, they are taking over bridges, blocking people from getting to work or a hospital, impeding access to airports and people who are trying to travel, university kids from getting to classes, you don't
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do that with immunity. that's why it was important the columbia president said the reason i had to call the police is you are breaking a bunch of rules and standards, you don't have the right to do this and we need to see that for more mayors because go out, express your concerns and that doesn't mean you get to overthrow everybody else's life in the process. paul: the columbia president acted after heavy criticism on capitol hill but a lot of other mayors have not acted forcefully, bridges shutdown, they shut down the golden gate bridge, the brooklyn bridge, has shut down for a while. why are so many mayors leaders and institutions so unwilling to act against protesters like this? >> democrat politicians are
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afraid of the progressive left, challengers in democratic primaries but it would be wildly popular with the broader public, think about the governor of illinois presiding over the democratic convention in chicago. hard to see what he has to gain from this disruption and show himself to be a mainstream popular figure by saying you can have free speech but we are not going to shut down bridges or streets, the same is true, mayor eric adams had a lot to gain politically if he were to take a hard-line. paul: he is a former police captain. is it because the police were restrainer he was afraid of the political left? >> he was not the leftmost candidate in the mayoral race but he narrowly defeated the left most candidate in the mayoral race but i do think it
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is a mistake for these politicians not to take a harder line and say you can't disrupt life in our cities. paul: you think this poses a threat to president biden and his reelection. and the convention in chicago they are planning to disrupt. are we looking at a situation, you are old enough to remember this, 1968 democratic convention? >> these people are not only wrong, they are unlikable. i don't think they are even biden voters. they are professional protesters. president biden said they have a point when they interrupted him during a speech. what has that indulgence gotten him? they call him genocide joe. and they are planning to disrupt his convention. i think president biden could
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use them to build the flagging support among mainstream democratic voters who don't like this even if they are sympathetic to a cease-fire, they don't like the things kim laid out, inconveniencing them. another point. there is not only a student -- when you start permitting those people to get outside forces coming in and lose control. paul: when we come back, hits and misses of the week. (inner monologue) seriously, i'm on the green and all i can think about is all the green i'm spending on 3 kids in college. with empower, i get all of my financial questions answered. so i don't have to worry. empower. what's next. here's to getting better with age. here's to beating these two every thursday. help fuel today with boost high protein, complete nutrition you need... ...without the stuff you don't. so, here's to now. boost. before apoquel chewable
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paul: time for hits and misses of the week. first to you. >> a miss to the biden administration and a new rule
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that is putting 13 million acres or half of the national petroleum reserve off-limits to leasing, the national petroleum reserve, the hint is in the name, that was set aside by congress, a bigger agreement. this is biden's latest, terrible for american industry for our ability and national security policy and he is being mean or to american drillers than even places like iran. >> a miss to robert f kennedy junior, making his own run for president in philadelphia this week, 15 members of the kennedy family appeared with president biden to make clear they are supporting him for president. there is trouble in camelot. the kennedy name may be magic but not in the kennedy family. paul: all right.
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>> on both sides of the capital to the impeachment of homeland security secretary alejandro mayorkas for dereliction at the border so democrats summarily dismissed two articles passed by the house without bothering to hold a trial. sooner than they think. on the other side house republicans passed the impeachment knowing it would fail and the argument is not with mayorkas but his boss, president biden. the risk is continuing to do that will lead congress weaker. paul: impeachment is the new censure basically. if you have your own hit or miss, send it to us, that is it for this week's show. thanks to my panel and all of you. hope to see you right here next week.
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