leaving the place to gaza, to hamas and their control. i think would be a good way for him to show strength and recover a little bit of what he did right after the attacks but i think it's all political calculations and frankly i don't think he is up to it. when i was in the white house with george bush, if you had something to say and it was not the topic of the day you put it on the top of the speech at least made a mention of it. >> john: bill, great to have your thoughts. >> sandra: looks like there hoisting pizzas up there now, john. i jokingly said that after the last one went up. i bet it's pizzas, turns out it is. >> john: clearly someone is bankrolling all of this. we will be with you tomorrow take you for joining us i'm john roberts. >> sandra:

this afternoon and martha maccallum and is "the story." is breaking at the same time in a few locations right here in new york city. on this block in manhattan inside the courthouse president trump is inside the room and he is battling the judge over gag orders, listening two hours of hours of testimony about the check and who -- who signed the check. we will go there live in minutes with an update from the courtroom but meanwhile uptown all hell broke loose. students broke the windows, jammed open the doors then lock the doors, there are no occupying the columbia university building which is named for founding father alexander hamilton as the university continues essentially to just put another statement but they're not really doing anything. they're saying they will do something which they've been since the beginning. is unbelievable. have shut down these protesters every single administration plea. how is this happening?

and where does this and back? [chanting] [chanting] >> martha: unbelievable,

right? there still in their calendar just getting peter's soul smack pulley system to bring them and remember not showing any signs of leaving there maybe one of my they say they want to stay threw graduation sodium several weeks ago when they plan to be holed up in the administration building back of got -- laura ingram is here in a moment there congresswoman elise stefanik bernard lewall, correspondent alexis mcadams life with -- is in the middle of his case and we begin with shannon. afternoon. >> good to see you. i just -- as they were talking with keith davidson who is an attorney who represented both karen mcdougal and stormy daniels primitive talking about how deals came together for karen mcdougal with ami the publisher of the national enquirer and it turns out she has made states -- treatment publicly she didn't really want to go out there and tell her story about trump that she had "loved him, that she

voted for empirical all of these things and request -- as a way to "relaunch her career." there would be magazine articles and coverage that would allegedly part of part of this but my brother writes her story and the language was essentially that they had the rights to any romantic or physical relationship that she had had with a married man and he's davidson on the stand has testified that he understood that to be donald trump. know he's just a talk about how stormy daniels was a client of his and how it came to be that there were conversations about information leaking out, a blog post that connected her to some kind of physical relationship or allegation of one with president trump and nah a coven has entered the conversation. so we heard from cohen's bakker this morning know your hearing from keith davidson about these deals coming together but no one has connected president trump to being a part of these deals are aware of these deals on any of the medications about the deals which means it involves to make a coherent

disorder of be the linchpin for this whole thing. i was a different interview of him and say he's been a proven liar, there are courts have called him that and he's going to be the guy eventually they will take a stand to try to link these deals altogether. >> martha: shannon, thank you very much. go back there as news breaks from the courthouse this afternoon waiting for publicly and a couple of hours so -- -- on the other side of this when he leaves but let's go live not to columbia university were refined correspondent alexis mcadams was a situation there very well. she's been there live over the last several days. huh

>> so the schools seeing the students broke in to the building will now be expelled. the group of protesters with their faces covered filming and they smashed the windows. so why did they do this if there is land or the vacuum according to these groups on social media they said they wanted to liberate this building and they show the university they think that they're not afraid of what they believe or ongoing empty threats of suspension and being expelled. in the next step here according to the administration and presidents minouche shafik who gets growing calls for her to step down she says these kids are now going to be expelled. and one br graduation but they didn't cut it so they've now renamed these protesters according to them from hamilton hall to hence however 6-year-old palestinian girl who was killed in gaza? ago and you can check it out

there on the screen displays have been there for hours so hungry i guess calendar pulling in suppliers or pulling in food. they're taking over that hole and it continues but the nypd has not had any calls to help clear the students just yet mack mason. >> martha: alexis just hang on for one second this is police moving closer to some of the barricades and some of these barricades see the students moving forward with them, pushing the police back at umc and you can see how this can situation gets tense but at the moment we're not seeing any arrests. we have been seeing a number of arrest yesterday afternoon but this is the scene at chapel hill this afternoon where there seems to be a little bit of push between the police and the students on campus as a sort of create their own barriers and where they are willing to see them

moving forward in the police moving back, yelling at the police from this one so obvious he will keep a close eye on this. now they're spraying teargas at these students and you can see them turning around, covering their eyes because this is a standoff green bullies and students at unc chapel hill. so they are states -- spraying them at this point in their sort of divinely moving forward. we'll keep a close eye on the situation. list ringette over to alexis was speaking with a student at columbia. alexis? >> martha uccm like that at been observed carolina chapel hill and then you come here to new york city restaurant david pomerantz is a soccer are here. is not having her grandmother nypd are not moving because the school hasn't called them to. using others point out these are what happened inside of that hamilton hall that the nypd to move in? >> absolutely. have an oblation to last night, i called nypd as --

alerting them that an ongoing right was in process, students were being assaulted a group of mobsters had taken hammers to destroy the windows and you just show your viewers for the nypd has no obligation to show up and resolve this. >> who's in charge here? a student if you like your you walk on campus or the presidents, minouche shafik? what you think has the power? >> last night it was certainly not minouche shafik, it was the mob. ahmad was in charge, tomato -- there was no public safety presence at, call for the police went unheeded, minouche shafik has to do her job and bring order to this campus. it's out of hand. >> you think she should step down? she's given the student protesters quite a lot of transit here. jerk -- there still hear another inside the building bringing in pizzas. what needs to happen? >> yeah, i think it's a good conversation to be had but in the meantime while she still has a job she has to be doing more. she tried to negotiate with these individuals, she allow these illegal incumbents to fester and go on and on for weeks after weeks. as you know any other universities is being handled very differently.

the police are coming immediately and cleaning about -- it emboldens them at least what we saw last night. >> definitely, thank you very much. martha that's what we're hearing from a lot of students here got a lot of the jewish threats don't feel safe -- >> martha: he makes a lot of sense that he expects there new. >> president joe biden: is getting over is apparently comes occupied protest buildings laura ingram is here, w. with us, because of the ingram angle. alexis, thank you very much. you know, celeste dul and, laura welcomed the ocala students called and this is what it would take to trigger in we're police presence on campus because they said if someone called and said there is a crime taking place here there would be able to come on the compass so they called and said there's a right happening, they're breaking in to the building but it looks like they held back. what do you make of the stands today? >> let's think of it this way martha. if this were a group of america first, maga, pro-life

students that were just kind of stand up we what was going on in the country and they had pulled 1100th of distance that some of these folks have pulled on campus, there will still be sitting in jail, they probably would be, you know, looking at real jail time. and this thing would've been dealt with. but when i was listening to the great reporting from alexis and the conversation, i was looking at the board of trustees of columbia university. the individuals that are charged with the governance of columbia university. they have lots of high-powered headers on this board including the former dhs chief jay johnson. people like journalist claire shipman. other really big deal business folks. they cannot be happy with what they are seeing at the university that there

it already has and it seems like that's what they want here. by dr frankenstein's monster is coming to devour them that's what we're seeing. >> martha: i mean these markers have been laid down yesterday at 2:00, they were definitely going to expel -- >> is ridiculous. >> martha: is so feckless this process its like a parent who says or you can have any ice cream, you know, or will you can have any more extreme. absolutely loses leadership one '01. if you say you're going to do something you better be ready

to move at 2:00 in that what you say you're going to do. there cleaning running this whole situation. what about the people like jerry nadler and chuck schumer and the leadership democrat leadership in new york. i look back at what jerry nadler sent about the january 6d the explicit racist and anti-semitic tone of the attack on the capitol is deeply disturbing and he was very upset the department of justice wasn't going after more people. where is he now? >> well of course this is an adapter for them politically. they know it. so they think that they can kind of back away for -- from it quietly, on them and the -- anti-semitism and social media posts of the -- short of, you know, short of them getting to campus and demanding that the board of trustees removed the president and that this thing gets handled immediately, frankly conever it is worth anything. we saw what they did after charlottesville i had a very, very vocal response to that,

that became the raison d'être for biden to run for the presidency. so it charlottesville was the reason to run for the presidency, what is this? >> martha: we were shocked at -- he was shocked at that time depends on -- anti-semitism that he saw that i wanted to run for the presidency because of another required from all these individuals. >> martha i would say back to the video that we -- we were starving chapel hill, you see that dynamic mack you had one or two students, it wasn't a record or rethink but one or two threats at least from what i saw and the police were backing up. that's just ridiculous. why either backing up? they should move in, were not and do that and say look if you want to protest that's fine but you can't disrupt campus and other kids have to be able to go to class and, you know, were all for the first amendment but this is obviously way out of hand. >> martha: and one of them pulled out to guess which was one of the police officers and prayed -- but they look like they were on their heels, you know. >> you were going backward. >> martha: exactly. >> not go. >> martha: laura, thank you

so much. will see tonight on "the angle, who thinks working with sp1 takers before a short time ago house republicans announcing a probe in that holding school administration is accountable for anti-semitism and college campuses saying there is no place for this in the united states and that there has to be some sort of pushback on all of this. house gop conference care -- chair elise stefanik is part of this moment when all of this go back to this moment because when all of this was really wrapping up. watch... >> calling for the genocide of jews violates harvard rules of bullying and harassment? yes or no? >> it can be depending on the context. >> what's the context? >> targeted as an individual, targeted as an individual. >> it's targeted at jewish students. jewish individuals. you understand your testimony is dehumanizing them? >> martha: new york argus woman elise stefanik joys we know she's a member of the committee on education and

workforce. congresswoman gaddafi with us today. thank you very much for joining us today. i wonder, did you think or hope at that point that those exchanges would lead to a stronger hand on these campuses? and what do you think about what happened? >> absolutely. the whole in those hearings was to highlight the importance of our universities to protect jewish students and who strongly and clearly condemn anti-semitism. we had seen the exact opposite in the case of both harvard and pain while precedents were forced out because of their morally bankrupt answers to my question in that historic hearing. we have not seen those schools step up to protect jewish students. then, of course, we had the columbia university student -- hearing with precedents shafik were clearly was -- the strategy was say whatever you have to get to go through the hearing to try to avoid the fate of the penn and harvard president but yet their actions they weren't taking any action on campus to protect jewish students,

to address the rise of anti-semitism -- and now you see president shafik this feeling instead of standing up for safety and security on campus, instead of showing moral leadership. they have allowed the pro- hamas mom to violently take over the historic hamilton home named after alexander hamilton so our schools -- a crisis across the -- looking at federal dollars, looking at the foreign student visas that looking at foreign funding, making sure that we are standing up for u.s. taxpayers who find many of these institutions are so much work to. >> martha: is a great point. terms of these foreign student visas if students are arrested and the pulleys figure out that they are here an excellent reason, should they be reported? >> yes. absolutely this should be deported. to stay a step back martha these are -- i don't call

them protesters, they are pro- hamas members of a mob or calling for the eradication of israel after calling for genocide against jews around the world and in america. it is unthinkable that we are allowing this to happen at u.s. universities. were supposed to be the moral leader in our university presidents have absolutely failed and you know who else has failed? the professors who instead of standing up for academic integrity and moral leadership are supporting these university presidents while become a part of this twenties and the somatic not only verbal harassment but the behavior. so yes actually be deported. >> martha: this is a pretty slippery slope. where does this and back? of the university stands became -- he already caved -- they're already caving but, you know, that's a signal, right, is a signal to iran, it's a signal to israel about u.s. support for israel overall. >> yes, and people around the world are watching grandmother is a reason why the testimony of the harvard penn and mit precedents was

the most viewed testimony in the history of united states congress with over 1 million views in a week and there was just within views in america there were views around toronto these universities need to step up and they're fighting to do so so congress is going to stop and because remember martha billions of dollars in hard-earned taxpayer dollars go to support these universities in america taxpayers don't want to support anti-semitism. they oppose anti-semitism and we know that we are going to continue to stand up for what's morally right and the other double standard that we are seeing from these universities in the case of columbia, harvard, penn deer run the lowest of the low when it comes to standing up for freedom of speech. the only defend freedom of speech when it comes to mind for the genocide of jews and that hypocrisy has been so clear. >> martha: yeah, i mean we've seen federal funding threatened if you're not treating black students, gay students, gate -- list of all different macros fairly and it's hard to imagine a scenario it should be also threatened in this case when you're not protecting jewish

students. gop congress -- congress chairs at least the panic i thank you for being with us today. >> thank you martha. >> martha: good to see you. coming up as our content apart -- attorney alina habba as the former presidents that's right now in a courtroom casual tell us about the find that he has to pay for the gag order violations and being held in contempt of court. what's going to happen now that has happened as we wait to see if president biden will break his silence on the mob of anti- israel protesters who have taken over the main building, this is the admission centre chaldeans offices, at columbia university? [chanting] you didn't live this strong, this long to get put on the shelf

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>> ♪ ♪ before the white house that it's wrong for protesters to forcibly take over a building permit have been pressed to speak out in some way shape or form on this. we have seen that today at columbia where the students have taken over the hamilton university building and they are inside, had supplies brought up delivered up through a rope pulley just a few moments ago. aware has caused for the same hate speech and symbols -- eight symbols have no place

in america. so former president trump is speaking outside of his criminal trial here in new york saying that the nation needs to hear on all of this from president biden himself. >> mr. trump: the biden protests that are going on and harvard protest by him because he doesn't have -- and put two sentences together, he has to get out and make it must -- make a statement because the colleges are being overrun in this country. >> martha: white house correspondent peter doocy reporting live, hi, peter. >> martha president biden -- as we were shouting questions to him about these campus protests for whatever reason officials here would rather have staffers in charge of speaking out against hate speech. >> -- is absolutely wrong approach permit is not an example of peaceful protest. and, of course, as you

rightly noted hate speech and hate symbols also have no place in this country. a small percentage of students should not be able to disrupt the academic experience. >> and there's this -- saying president biden has -- and violent rhetoric his entire life had he condemns the use of the term "intifada," and as you had a tragic ingenuity speech displayed in recent days. president tran and respect the right to free expression but protest might be peaceful and lawful, forcibly taking overbilling is not peaceful, it is wrong and hate speech and hate symbols have no place in america and i'm just going -- because the white house has sent out a proclamation on jewish-american heritage month for 2024, president biden is probably not going to talk about this on camera at any point today. the only thing is public schedule is a campaign event at a high school in wilmington. martha?

>> martha: trying to win over those delaware voters, peter, thank you so much. good to see you today. that's bringing -- press secretary no america first policy institute. senior advisor for strategic medications and -- former democratic new york state senator, great to have both of you with us. let me start with you, david. it seems like this has all gotten to a point where the white house now obviously feel like we need to respond in a more forceful way. i'm not sure if, you know, if john kirby saying, you know, this hate speech has no place in america is really going to change anything on these campuses. do you? >> right i agree. i think these students and whoever else is extremely motivated to have a cease-fire but i think we all agree that there are going about it the wrong way that even if columbia decided to agree with them and close all eyes to his -- title israel is really not going to anything to bring forth a cease-fire. so the rhetoric is getting out of control and we need to

balance that ability to express your first amendment right but also the freedoms and protections that other -- every other resident has and should be protected. so this is going a step too far schmuck. >> martha: are you worried about this in terms of the president and his ability to get reelected? tv like this is an issue that is going to have you been dealt with? >> i think that this -- it really hasn't changed. we have seen these protests happening for some time now. obviously is escalated here in columbia and in specific other places but joe biden is staying true to the cause and that is to have the cease-fire or to -- have a peaceful resolution what's happening in gaza to send those hostages home and i think joe biden deserves credit for staying focused and are being distracted by the politics. and the politics are -- can be severe in terms of having the far left of his party trying to push him in a direction that he doesn't

want to go and he seemed to do that, staying locomotives going to play politics here, i'm going to do what's right for our nation and what's right for israel and that's what he's doing and i think he deserves credit for that. >> martha: hogan? >> a month went by and the best we've got in this is the "wrong approach?" is illegal. i'm glad david is, you know, resigned to the fact that we need to do something here but more speech is more rhetoric from the white house isn't going to stop this. if this were any other protest group that was out there saying bad things about black people are bad things about gay people or asian students, whatever it may be that they would've rightly and correctly moved into shot that down immediately. the president of these schools, the mayor's calla governors, the state and federal senators will come in and said no more, this is unacceptable but for whatever reason it seems there's a carveout here that bigotry is okay as long as directed towards the jewish people

>> martha: is pretty clear what we're hearing, you know, we are all busy in the heat of election scene that and this is the cover of time magazine like a modern-day i guess and it says, if he wins with a picture of former president donald trump, one of the quote from a donald trump think you've identified a crucial mistake of his first term, he was too nice. and it basically goes on to outline all of the record in ways that people's freedoms would be curtailed if he were to be elected and nicole wallace her that learning clear and here's what she had to say about how terrified she is about a future biden

presidency. watch... >> this exact time next year depending on what happens in november 7 months from now we can say for certain that it won't even be it white house correspondent dinner or even if repressed or even it white house press corps. >> martha: just a quick 15 seconds from each on this tactic? david? >> yes very troubling. i think everyone should read that article. effect -- that he wants to militarize his agencies to his executive branch and the doj to go after his political enemies have to go after your citizens and residents. this in our from donald trump's mouth so i think we have to take it very seriously -- >> martha: he said that -- the article is about 60% of it was true. hogan what did you think of it? >> is literally what joe biden is doing to try to jail his political attack -- wants was beating him in the balls

right now. it was obama -- >> joe biden is not doing that. >> it was the biden administration who colluded with big tech to silence people's voices. donald trump was already president can those things didn't happen so to say if you got selected these horrible things will occur, we already saw what happened. we had a good economy copies around the world, the border was closed and we had low crime so we don't have to guess. that's what happens within our competencies before will happily were there and david thank you very much good to see you both. >> good to be with you. >> thanks. >> judge merchan warning former president dollar from that jail may be the next step if he continues to defy these drug orders. president from a 20 alina habba joins us live here in new york. >> ♪ ♪ ou can reduce the risk of kidney failure with farxiga. because there are places you'd like to be. farxiga can cause serious side effects, including ketoacidosis that may be fatal, dehydration, urinary tract, or genital yeast infections,

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>> ♪ ♪ >> martha: breaking right now an update on these intents and the israel protest at unc chapel hill the school just announced that they are going to cancel

classes for the rest of the day suspending nonmandatory operations so far for today. will see how things go tomorrow or thereabouts a little while there this afternoon we saw the police facing off with some of the protesters, teargas lying in a crowd so will keep because i get what's going on. meantime former president trump in court right now at his criminal trial, finance and lawyer who represented poor start stormy daniels the former president is charged with taking business records to cover up a payment to daniels before the 2016 election and he stretched her in to an election violation, election finance violation from a state law in to a federal felony, president that he did nothing wrong. you're attorney alina habba is here with -- but first let's go to knit what he was this kind -- at the courthouse. hi, made. >> hi martha does in the past few seconds and appeals court denied trump's request for a delay in this comes as keith

davidson's testimony continues, is in the assigned mission -. you negotiated the sale of mcdougall's great american media in 2016 by right now he is answering questions about this a stormy daniels story. you just explain the interest in the deal to suppress that story at least it was in the after the release of the access hollywood tape as you see the former president leaving the courtroom right now without speaking to reporters as he did this morning. davidson also described coburn as stopping in for american media in that deal. he said that cohen stepped into him's shoes. the deal to daniels was with $130,000 and davidson believe that cohen was trying to avoid making the payments. davidson directly negotiated a $150,000 deal from a google story. he received roughly $67,500 of that. you call the deal frust frustrating.

there were some contentious points mcdougall wanted for the $5000 more than what was offered. davidson said he hated dealing with michael cohen. before lunch davidson he knew smack it would benefit the trump campaign. meanwhile judge juan merchan ordered trump to remove nine post online that violated the court's gag order all but one of them ,?]martha,? have been taken down, the one that is still up right now is a true social where the former presents called michael cohen and sammy daniels sleazebag. and was fined $1000 for each of the nine violations and there's another hearing on thursday regarding former possible violations of that gag order. up and back you, martha. >> martha: thanks for that. without a spring alina habba former attorney for former president i want to read what the judge said about the gag order find that he put forth today. the tradition are allowed does not base the court -- when 1000-dollar fines will not achieve the intended purpose in assessing some

cases you can go higher, lee 500 but he basically says none of that will matter in this case and so it may be necessary jail maybe a necessary punishment. what did you think of that, do think he's trying to make a point so that the former president just stops to socially about these people? >> when you say true social and let's be clear what were talking about, were talking about the defendant in a criminal case was being attacked politically, was being attacked by his opponents he's also be attacked by witnesses and the witnesses in these case have no, that have no -- their free speech calvin first amendment rights are completely intact but then you have a judge who we've asked to recuse himself for a reason i can't speak to become a gag order as we know and we have this ongoing on and on and on and he -- that the defense team has said! there is a clear political ballast --

i think it's completely unconstitutional. think when you're a defendant, truthfully, these statements are statements they are a clear from the defense. innocent until proven just -- especially when you've done nothing wrong and win these are all have been coordinated, this is our past is that of limitations and i can go and on and on and on. >> martha: everything earlier is all of the perfect sort of puzzle pieces that would fit together for an appeal but this is the first part of the process so i mean is possible that this jury could convict him county see -- your old deal about stormy daniels and trump karen mcdougal and all these things which are the people that we talked to say is not a crime. >> it isn't a crime. >> martha: but this is what they're getting, you know, they're getting filled with, all day long. i mean they be persuaded by it. >> that seconds in every last week and he spoke on this issue. the issue i have is not whether donald trump and president trump there any thorough he did not. a facts on rr side. issue we have is when we have

politicized judges and blue juries come in and they're supposed to be impartial but you have a judge tweaking, reprimanding company known council on the other side being harder on one side or the other. that affects the jury and that is not fair. it's not right. president trump was given a fare jury, a fare trial, like anybody else in this country would be because his name is trump you doesn't, that is where my concern is, not the fact. the facts are on our sight. >> martha: with regard to this, order, you know, he apparently took down the former president took down these posts as nate just reported. do you think that we are going to see a change in behavior because he doesn't want to deal with this? because he doesn't want to rest going to jail? >> i don't know. i think -- lesson the president is trying to speak for himself and is frustrated because the gag order what have you reminded the american people is not just for the presidents it was for the president and anybody in his control, campaign, anybody else. how are you supposed to operate? he can't go on the campaign

trail here and he's operating at the highest level you ever seen, a couple numbers, niki petti to stop him, he'll find ways to fight back but quite honestly what i'm saying is so inappropriate, so unfair and so one-sided. i don't know how we can send it to be honest, it's hard for me to standard as his attorney and we respect loss but we also respect the constitution. and there has to be a change right now. >> martha: we'll be down there doing live coverage on thursday maybe we'll see you there. thank you very much, good to have you with us today. so iran is now cheering on these protests in the u.s. can you imagine how much they love this? this is feeling right into iran's narrative this is exactly what they would want to see in the u.s. where jewish students are being blocked from going to their classes. think about that. >> on the ucla student, i deserve to go here, we pay tuition, is in our school and they're not letting me go up. i'm going in. >> martha: incredible.

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>> ♪ ♪ >> martha: not surprising that iran is praising what they are seeing on u.s. campuses right now my these and the israel protests play right into exactly what iran wants to see and hear in the united states. demonstrators at columbia hang a banner reading or my glory to the martyrs vehicle newsweek reports iranian

president ebrahim raisi commented at a cabinet meeting this weekend and here's what the president of iran said. leader -- the uprising of western students professors and elites in support of the oppressed people of gaza a big event with the best mentions that cannot be extinguished by beatings, arrests and acts of violence and "thanks to the blessing of purebloods of the martyrs of gaza the truth -- the people of the world that from the leader in iran. now that -- let's bring in time for iranian american activist and attorney. elica got good taffy with us again today. what's your reaction when you hear that from the leader of iran? >> you know, it's interesting because it takes exactly what the supreme leader tweeted to twitter what is a platform is actually banned in iran because free speech is banned in iran and so is freedom of assembly and so is ironic that, you know, the leader of the most oppressive brutal

police state essentially in the world is tweeting in favor of these protests while simultaneously crushing protests at home. you know, celebrating uprising against oppression while being the most oppressive regime in the world right now, you know, they have currently recently sentenced iraq or to march to nest -- and he's held in solidarity confinement, nobody can speak to him because nobody can talk to me and will celebrating the protest in a different country where he actually banned the right to do that in the country that they speaking from. >> martha: it's a very rich iranian a tragic one for the people who are so oppressed in iran for using any sort of freedom of speech or any freedom of lifestyle coming this is a video i want to show you this huge board its like a big outdoor movie screen essentially. this is what some of the pro-israel students are doing to counter program what is going on on the campus -- i

think this is usc in los angeles. this is a huge video screen and they're showing us -- a steady loop elica october 7th and what hamas did along the kibbutz and the music festival in israel. what do you think of that? >> like i think all of this is going to be lost on people -- we are dealing with, you know, we are dealing with a generation of people who do not know how to think. this is not a generation of people who have a lack of access to information. america has more access to information that ever has in it's existence. these -- will talk about people that do not know how to process information and don't know how to think your mother are not able to separate the right of peaceful protests from things that are categorically -- harmful and residential threat to middle eastern -- syrians, palestinians even who have asked you not to celebrate terrorism and so they are unable to just make the simple differentiation to say, you know, we support the right of peaceful protesters

to protest but we do not -- we do not condone the active -- weather their minority or not a people who are celebrating terrorism and it's not just that they don't know how to think, it is this orthodoxy, you know, we see this orthodoxy in the extreme left and extreme right and in the extreme left you have this orthodoxy of this narrative --

how to dissent respectfully, to have respect for this agreement can't have conversations with each ot other. >> martha: that's a great point. i just want to show this picture on the way out. this is police officers in 1938 in indiana banding across the steps of the university of indiana and preventing jewish students from entering the building. that's what that look like, you know, just on the cusp of world war two and those students were turned away and they were banned from studying and graduating in the fall of 1930 -- these images are reported for all of us right now, elica. >> yeah, and, you know, nothing that people need to understand which is so difficult for people to understand is that during those time when there was happening, people also believe that, you know, you are being dramatic if you say that this was, you know, posing an existential threat that, you know, is stops with the -- where you're dehumanize people and you

convince the puppets -- public to believe it's okay to ostracize them and once you guessed --'s and this is the state were in right now. we cannot see it well it's unfolding right in front of our eyes despite a mountain of evidence before we have to open our eyes. elica le bon thank you so much, we will see you soon. thank you for joining us. >> thank you. >> martha: northwestern university report -- with full rights scholarships for some palestinian students from a career live in chicago with that, next. there are so many tina feys i could be. so i hired body doubles to help me out. splurgy tina loves a hotel near rodeo drive. oh tina! wild tina booked a farm stay to ride this horse. glenn close?! with millions of possibilities you can book whoever you want to be.

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>> ♪ ♪ >> martha: northwestern university has reportedly cut a deal with anti- israeli protesters to include a full ride scholarship for some of the palestinian students on campus in exchange attempting -- came down or have to come down.

but we have seen signs like this comparing israeli forces and pulleys to the kkk. senior correspondent mike tobin reports from chicago mckay. >> northwestern university is attempted to get a protesters what they want but it seems you are happy with the outcome. the president of the university announced that the protest will be allowed to continue in a restricted area almost all the times removed in response to the demand that the majority diverse from companies and support israel an advisory committee and investment responsibility was reestablish with student representation. doubts -- of middle eastern descent as well and as you mentioned scholarships for palestinian students and faculty. >> martha: mike thank you very much. we will continue to watch this unfolding story on all of these campuses. this afternoon we have seen some changes, you know, uncg shutdown process for the afternoon after we started shoving back and forth, metaphysical shoving.

teargas between the police and students. this is looking at columbia university this afternoon where students are holding down the fort inside the hamilton administration building at columbia which by the way has been occupied during every student protest over the course of the last 30 years or so in 1968 students occupied the building they also did occupied a building importance of apartheid in south africa also more recently -- a couple of years later so we are seeing -- we will see how that develops as we keep and i on all of these multi- situations. thanks for joining us. >> everyone: a story, load i will see her back here tomorrow in the meantime have a great afternoon and evening and i get ready for. >> everyone: your world, looked up before the market, let's start right about now. >> ♪ ♪ >> ♪ ♪ >> neil: will have more understandably markets but i