couldn't confirm whether asylum flights would get off the ground by his spring deadline, but he did say his intention was to get the legislation through parliament without further delay. mps will be delay. he says mps will be forced to sit in the commons until the job is done . the met until the job is done. the met police has apologised after an officer used the terms openly jewish to an anti—semitism campaigner who was near a pro—palestine march. a video clip posted on social media showed the moment gideon falter was threatened with arrest by police. you are quite openly jewish. >> this is a pro—palestinian march. i'm not accusing you of anything, but i'm worried about the reaction to your presence . the reaction to your presence. >> the chief executive of campaign against anti—semitism was wearing a kippah skullcap when he was stopped from crossing a road near the demonstration in london last saturday. the met police assistant commissioner said the officer's poor choice of words was hugely regrettable . and five was hugely regrettable. and five just stop oil protesters have been convicted of aggravated

trespass after they disrupted a performance of les miserables in london's west end last year. the performance was stopped when activists stormed the stage and locked themselves to the set. an audience of around 1000 people was asked to leave the venue, and the performance was cancelled, the court was told. the action cost the theatre an estimated £60,000. and for the latest story, sign up to gb news alerts by scanning the qr code on your screen or go to gb news. common alerts now it's back to ben . ben. >> rishi sunak has a couple of months left to snatch victory from the jaws of defeat, and save this country from a socialist labour government. but if he thinks getting the rwanda bill through parliament is going to be his saviour, i'd suggest he's very wrong. >> when he got this bill passed, and then we will work to get flights off we can build that flights off so we can build that deterrent, that the deterrent, because that is the only this issue. deterrent, because that is the oryou this issue. deterrent, because that is the oryou care this issue. deterrent, because that is the oryou care about this issue. deterrent, because that is the

oryou care about stopping;ue. deterrent, because that is the oryou care about stopping the if you care about stopping the boats, you've got to have a deterrent. you've got to have somewhere can send somewhere that you can send people that they know they people so that they know if they come here illegally, they won't get it's as simple as get to stay. it's as simple as that. way we're that. the bill is the way we're going that. going to deliver that. >> couldn't care less >> i frankly couldn't care less if prime minister does if the prime minister does manage to get planes off the ground illegal migrants ground with illegal migrants on board, despite what he says, it's be a it's not going to be a deterrent. migrants themselves waiting calais to cross the waiting in calais to cross the channel much . they channel have said as much. they think we're laughing stock, think we're a laughing stock, mentioned the people mentioned rwanda and the people here in the camps just laugh. >> become a bit joke. >> it's become a bit of a joke. the threat hasn't put them off because one here thinks because no one here thinks for a second they're heading back to rwanda. it to rwanda. if they make it to the uk . uk. >> so not only will rwanda not stop the boats, it's going stop the boats, but it's going to hell of a lot of to cost a hell of a lot of taxpayer money to your for to cost a hell of a lot of taxjprivilegeiey to your for to cost a hell of a lot of tax; privilege we've your for to cost a hell of a lot of taxjprivilege we've already for to cost a hell of a lot of taxjprivilege we've already paidor the privilege we've already paid rwanda £240 million up to the end of last year, and the national audit office says a total payment of at least 370 million will be sent over five years. if more than 300 people are sent to rwanda, the uk would pay a are sent to rwanda, the uk would pay a one off fee of £120

million, no less, to boost the rwandan economy, with further payments of 20 grand per individual. individual relocated . some 6000 people have already crossed the channel this year in small boats at points up to 500 people a day, so you do the math. it's time to get real. the rwanda plan is nothing but a distraction, a waste of taxpayer cash and a total waste of time. so i make the case that if the government was serious about stopping the boats, they'd take a our friends in a leaf from our friends in australia solved the problem australia who solved the problem overnight. 2000, overnight. in the mid 2000, former prime minister tony abbott to abbott bravely committed to intercepting in the water. intercepting boats in the water. and guess what.7 he swooped to election victory for his efforts. >> our policy involves , turning >> our policy involves, turning around boats where this can safely and practically be done. my safely and practically be done. my friends, my friends. thank you.the my friends, my friends. thank you. the government of australia has changed for just the seventh time.

>> and the aussie public are urging us to do the same. this is what a few of them told me when i was there just a few months ago. >> yeah, look, i think they've probably got to do something similar europe straight away. similar in europe straight away. >> don't even let them and >> don't even let them stay and get of boats. have get rid of the boats. you have to send to destroy the boats and send them back. it's them straight back. it's important controls on important to have controls on everything impacts lots of people. >> so turning boats back doesn't involve tying a rope to dinghies and dragging them back through the water. the aussies transferred migrants into extreme , safe, lifeboat style extreme, safe, lifeboat style vessels and escorted them to their point of departure or offshore processing sites. we are legally allowed to do this under international maritime law. greece did it, italy did it, and even if that wasn't the case, we should still do it regardless. in the name of national security and most importantly, stopping the needless deaths of desperate migrants at the hands of cruel smuggling gangs. i already know what critics watching this are going to say. oh, the french won't allow that. but what's

more important? securing our borders, protecting national security and saving lives, or our relationship with the french who , by the way, are taking who, by the way, are taking hundreds of millions of pounds to stop the boats. but doing nfl with it. time is running out. so it's with it. time is running out. so wsfime with it. time is running out. so it's time for the prime minister to serious . let's get the to get serious. let's get the thoughts now of my panel tonight. journalist and author harriet sergeant, former bbc political chief correspondent john sergeant, and entrepreneur and social commentator . joana and social commentator. joana jarjue. harriet, let's start with you . turn the boats back. with you. turn the boats back. the aussies did it. they've told us to do it. they want us to do it. is there a will for this government to do it? >> i don't think there is a will. even though this government has been in no government has been told in no uncertain by voters. first uncertain terms by voters. first with brexit and when, then with the last general election that they wanted immigration taken down, the numbers reduced, i think i totally agree with you. the only way to do it is the australian way. i mean, australian way. i mean,

australia still takes 200,000, refugees, but these are refugees that have been processed by the un and that's the key difference. so we actually the australians know who's coming into their country. we have no idea . i mean, they can be they idea. i mean, they can be they can be criminals. they could be, as one afghan complained to me, some brutal person who tortures people, it can be a leader of hamas, a terrorist organisation who's actually living in barnet at the moment. we have no idea . at the moment. we have no idea. >> i've been trying to get hold of that guy for a long time, and i think he's he's done avoiding you. >> is he? >> is he? >> well, i think gone >> well, i think he's gone off back or dubai or back to qatar or dubai or somewhere. i've somewhere. he's in hiding. i've been trying to get him for a while, but the secret's out now. isuppose while, but the secret's out now. i suppose won't coming i suppose he won't be coming back. sergeant, you don't back. john. sergeant, you don't approve least you approve of this? or at least you don't practically. >> i don't think i'm. the problem fine say problem is, it's fine to say stop the boats. we all say yes. that's what we want to do. people are very annoyed about it. understand that. it it. i quite understand that. it will if

will be a big charge if. if rishi stop the rishi sunak could stop the boats. would improve his boats. yes, it would improve his electoral end. but electoral chances. no end. but what got instead is a what we've got instead is a shambles. we've got endless compromises. it turns out that even if this bill is passed , even if this bill is passed, even if this bill is passed, even if this bill is passed, even if it's not, challenged by the lawyers, you've still got this problem. what are you doing? when the boats actually arrive? are people going be arrive? are people going to be immediately arrested and taken into custody? no, they're going immediately arrested and taken intbe ustody? no, they're going immediately arrested and taken intbe allowed no, they're going immediately arrested and taken intbe allowed to. they're going immediately arrested and taken intbe allowed to wander going immediately arrested and taken intbe allowed to wander offing to be allowed to wander off wherever they like. well, quite be going to other places . so the be going to other places. so the system, it doesn't even seem to be it doesn't even start to be a practical plan . now, if you say practical plan. now, if you say to people, look, we're going to do this, then we're going to do that, then we should do that. but we've got nothing. have we all the moment is all we've got at the moment is there's legal there's going to be a legal challenge . we may be giving challenge. we may be giving £3,000 to person that £3,000 to each person that volunteers to go to rwanda, but we're meant to be within weeks of this happening and there's no sense of then we do this, then we do this. it'll be practical,

don't worry. no, it's all sort of up in the air and a great feeling that maybe what they're trying to do is in the election campaign saying, well, we tried everything. we were stopped by x and y and z. well, we're not interested in that. we want practical results. we want to know is there a plan? will it work? and at the moment we don't see a proper plan and we don't see a proper plan and we don't see it working. >> so say the prime minister was watching took heed watching tonight. he took heed of and said, okay, of my advice and he said, okay, we're going to we're going to intercept the boats in the channel. of that? >> certainly wouldn't >> no, i certainly wouldn't because would be ridiculous. >> is it ridiculous? >> why is it ridiculous? >> why is it ridiculous? >> you're are >> because then you're you are effectively declaring war against it say against france, which it may say you're we're protecting our territorial waters. now, it may sound attractive, but sound simple and attractive, but simple plans in an area like this, which is very complicated , this, which is very complicated, are the most stupid plans. so i really would not recommend saying all we do is start shooting people or we start doing just saying stop the doing is just saying stop the boat. i mean stop it boat. and i mean it. stop it now. it all sounds great, but again, it's not practical. it's not. it's sensible in terms

not. it's not sensible in terms of our relationship with france. if you say as i as i said, war against france, well, as i said just then, do we prioritise our own borders, our national security or our relationship with the french, who couldn't give a damn about us anyway? isn't simple you isn't as simple as that. you don't prioritise thing don't prioritise one thing against other. not against the other. it's not a matter of saying surely you should. now wait moment, should. now wait a moment, ben. you just either we you don't just say either we stop and force the stop the boats and force the boats and if it involves boats back. and if it involves war with france, bad or we war with france, too bad or we don't do that. no, no, no, you've got work out some plan you've got to work out some plan which will in fact built into which will in fact be built into that plan . what will the french that plan. what will the french reaction be? that's all. >> they'll stop it . >> they'll stop it. >> they'll stop it. >> i can hold on. you see, i don't care about france. >> i don't care. >> sorry. >> sorry. >> i couldn't care about machine gun. >> we can't. >> we can't. >> john, we've got a national crisis, a national security threat southern border. threat on our southern border. tens thousands fighting tens of thousands of fighting age throwing their man, age male men throwing their man, throwing phones throwing their mobile phones into we don't into the channel. we don't know who joana who they are. joana jarjue >> then the the sensible thing. >> we were just talking about australia taking in people who were processed by the were already processed by the

un. actually un. how about we actually provide and legal routes, provide safe and legal routes, which technically processing which is technically processing people before people there are safe before they but actually they get here, but actually providing and legal providing enough safe and legal routes different countries. providing enough safe and legal rout

off the dinghies. going off the dinghies. they're going to then that creates to resist. so then that creates some confrontation. some sort of confrontation. and then people potentially then you have people potentially drowning in channel. drowning in the channel. australia this. australia managed to do this. >> australia managed to do it. >> australia managed to do it. >> why are we so hopeless? and also can i just say when you said about safe and legal routes, that is a red herring because they are literally millions of people who want to come to the west , want to come come to the west, want to come to the uk, and we cannot take everyone much as we would like. and i don't think ben harriet are saying it's simple, just carry it out. >> and yet, yes, it is not simple and then have half of them drown in. we all agree it is not simple. >> i'm sorry. >> i'm sorry. >> it is that simple. why aren't we done it? >> it is that simple. why aren't we you; it? >> it is that simple. why aren't we you need. well, because you >> you need. well, because you need political and need the political will. and because we haven't had. >> haven't the will. you >> we haven't had the will. you know so hilarious? know what's so hilarious? >> once upon a time, i >> listen, once upon a time, i haven't the to it. >> listen, once upon a time, i havwe: the to it. >> listen, once upon a time, i havwe haven'ta to it. >> listen, once upon a time, i havwe haven't had to it. >> listen, once upon a time, i havwe haven't had the it. >> listen, once upon a time, i havwe haven't had the i'at all. >> prepared to fight and open fire. >> look at conservatives. >> look at the conservatives. no, not. you're being no, of course not. you're being ridiculous. i'm not. ridiculous. no i'm not. >> i'm talking about. >> i'm talking about. >> can i just. >> sorry, can i just. >> migrants. >> migrants. >> you're

>> what you're saying it's simple. just this and do simple. just say do this and do that. you've got to it up. that. you've got to match it up. if you're to do something if you're going to do something like got to say, like that, you've got to say, well, we to use force ? well, are we going to use force? and what will we use and and what force will we use and in what circumstances? and what force will we use and in \last circumstances? and what force will we use and in \last word nstances? and what force will we use and in \last word 10s. nces? and what force will we use and in \last word 10s. yes.? >> last word 10s. yes. >> just going to say you say >> i'm just going to say you say the there is no the conservative there is no will. are will. the conservatives are letting is all a red letting in. this is all a red herring . conservatives are herring. the conservatives are letting in a million letting legally in a million people a year legally. so they don't have the will to stop illegal immigration. they don't want to stop it. got you. >> great stuff. feisty start. thank you. and you know what? every other country in the world behaves normal country. behaves like a normal country. why can't it's always why can't we? it's always england, taking the england, you know, taking the brunt anyway, talking of brunt of it. anyway, talking of boats, there's still plenty of time your chance to win time to grab your chance to win a cruise. travel goodies a greek cruise. travel goodies and £10,000 tax cash bank and a £10,000 tax free cash bank balance boost. here's all the details win. balance boost. here's all the det don't win. balance boost. here's all the det don't miss win. balance boost. here's all the det don't miss chance win >> don't miss your chance to win our prize far. our biggest prize so far. there's incredible £10,000 in there's an incredible £10,000 in tax free cash to spend however you like. plus, courtesy of variety cruises , a bespoke seven variety cruises, a bespoke seven night small boat cruise for two

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really help their ratings very much . much. >> it's a bold claim. so does tory rebel mp dame andrea jenkyns agree? find out surely shortly she's going to be with me. but up next, as rishi sunak vows to ends the, quote, sick note culture plaguing britain, citing anxiety and depression. are we a nation of weak willed people ? founder of pimlico people? founder of pimlico plumbers, charlie mullins goes head to with writer and head to head with writer and mental health advocate rachel kelly. christys kelly. this is patrick christys tonight ben leo, only tonight with me, ben leo, only on

gb news. patrick christys. tonight with me. ben. leo. only on gb news. coming up. is the tory party so damaged that even winston churchill himself couldn't save it? dame andrea jenkyns gives her take. but first, has britain become a nation of weak willed people? it's time for tonight's head to head. so the prime minister promised today to end what he called britain's sick note culture. as the number of people out of work due to long time sickness soared to a staggering record high of 2.8 million. >> we now spend £69 billion on benefits for people of working age with a disability or health condition that's more than our entire schools budget, more than our transport budget, more than our transport budget, more than our policing budget, and spending on personal

independence payments alone , independence payments alone, it's forecast to increase by more than 50% over the next four years, as sunak's plans will include stripping gp's of their power to sign people off work, removing benefits entirely from people who are still unemployed after 12 months of refusing work and making pip payments for disabilities tougher to access. >> so tonight i'm asking, as rishi sunak vows to end sick. note culture has britain become a nation of weak willed people? let me know your thoughts by heading to gbnews.com/yoursay or tweet me @gbnews. and while you're there, vote in the poll. i'll bring you the results very, very shortly. but first, going head on this. our head to head on this. our founder pimlico plumbers, founder of pimlico plumbers, charlie writer and charlie mullins and writer and mental health advocate rachel kelly. charlie let's start with you. are we a of wets ? you. are we a bunch of wets? >> sorry. what did you say? >> sorry. what did you say? >> i said, are we a bunch of wets ? wets? >> i cannot hear you. sorry. i said , are we a bunch of wets? i said, are we a bunch of wets? i can't eat your food , rachel.

can't eat your food, rachel. >> kelly, are we a bunch of wets? >> no , no we're not. >> no, no we're not. >> i mean, of course, there's always going to be a few people who you know, are work the system. just like in the old days. people said they had a bad back. but actually, the vast majority of people who are coming forward, who feel themselves to be unwell are unwell for sure . unwell for sure. >> charlie, thoughts on sunak's reform plans today? >> yeah, i think, i think it's a great idea. i think it's actually going to help many people, many of them are complaining that they're on benefits and they can't get work, this way. i think it's going to force them into it, the ones that shouldn't be on it. obviously let's make it clear now not talking about now that i'm not talking about people disabilities or people with disabilities or people with disabilities or people can't go to work or people that can't go to work or that have mental that have got mental health issues. but let's not kid anybody. of them anybody. there's many of them out there are just playing the mental just because mental health card, just because they don't want to go to work. a lot of them lazy, bone idle , lot of them are lazy, bone idle, and the time to put and now is the time to put a stop on it. if not, we're going

to run out of money. so what he's doing is absolutely 100% correct, right? >> so charlie being a bit >> so is charlie being a bit cruel? saying that cruel? they're saying that they're all lazy they they're just all lazy and they can't because there can't be bothered because there is that the covid is this theory that the covid lockdowns people, you know, lockdowns got people, you know, a flavour of the stay at home life. and now actually they just decided don't to go off decided i don't want to go off the 9 to 5. i can't be bothered doing the, you know, the doing what the, you know, the boomers and older boomers did and the older generations got generations did as he got a point. or was he being cruel? >> i think he doesn't >> no, i think he doesn't understand what it is to be mentally i've suffered mentally unwell. i've suffered from depression myself. from severe depression myself. the we've with the problem we've got with things anxiety and things like anxiety and depression is that diagnosis is not the same as a physical not the same as for a physical illness. we don't have a blood test or a brain scan that can say for sure, yes, you're suffering from from a mental health condition or illness. so we see it. it we can't necessarily see it. it doesn't mean to say it's not very, very real, i think that it's just to misunderstand the differences between mental and physical illness. the second point i would make is that a lot of these people coming forward with anxiety and depression have

also got some kind of physical problem, well. there's a huge problem, as well. there's a huge numbers of co—morbidities. they've other problems . so they've got other problems. so it isn't just saying, oh, they've got a mental health issue, got other issue, they've got other problems too. >> accept, though, >> do you not accept, though, rachel, there does seem to rachel, that there does seem to be a trend young people, be a trend of young people, especially . and the prime especially. and the prime minister alluded to this, he said that the, the biggest increase claiming increase of people claiming sickness is the sickness benefits is from the younger cohorts . there does seem younger cohorts. there does seem to trend , i guess, that to be, a trend, i guess, that people, the younger generation, are too easy to say, oh, i've had a bad day. i'm feeling a bit anxious or, you know, this is triggered me . triggered me. >> i take your point, of course, because of this problem with diagnosis ipsis, it is difficult sometimes to, you know, differentiate between, you know, what freud called ordinary human unhappiness and, and a serious problem. but what i say, what i would say with young people, if you look at the child and adolescent mental health services , sorry, there's services, sorry, there's a ringing going in the background. you you look at you get that if you look at child adolescent mental child and adolescent mental health up by 353%

health services, it's up by 353% of referrals since 2016. now, these are not people making things up. they've got stuff like anorexia, self—harm , if you like anorexia, self—harm, if you want evidence of things, you can actually see self—harm . you can actually see self—harm. you can actually see self—harm. you can actually see self—harm. you can actually see somebody with with marks. all across their, their, their arms. so i actually feel really strongly that, that, you know, it's not true that young people are making this up. so many of them have been completely disrupted in their education through covid. and we have seen a big rise since covid. >> charlie, has rachel not got a point that actually the younger generation have got it quite tough they can't afford tough today? they can't afford homes rarely unless they're helped out by mum and dad or they lottery, they win the lottery, everything's expensive. everything's so expensive. the cost living is out of cost of living is out of control, has she not got a point ? >> well, you 7 >> well, you know, ? >> well, you know, you couldn't afford to ashes years ago. i mean, so i don't see that that comes into it. it's still about. should they be claiming benefits or should they be going to work and contributing rather than keep draining out the pot? keep draining out of the pot? there's 2.6 million people that

are on long time sickness, and it just cannot be right. and you don't even have to go and see the doctor now to be signed off on sick . i know a chap today on sick. i know a chap today rang his doctor up, said he don't feel good, thinks he's got mental health problems. he signed him off for six weeks and on benefits . it's the on full benefits. it's the system is being milked and people like me , taxpayer and people like me, taxpayer and many other people were fed up with it. why should we keep paying with it. why should we keep paying for people that are bone idle and won't go to work? idle and they won't go to work? i'm talking about the i'm not talking about the disability i'm disability people. i'm not talking people that talking about people that are carers. talking about carers. i'm not talking about people generally go people that generally can't go to talking about the to work. i'm talking about the people are benefit cheats . people that are benefit cheats. and the prime minister has now come with the best idea ever come up with the best idea ever stop their after 12 stop their benefits after 12 months. keep refusing months. if they keep refusing the jobs, if we carry on the way we're going, the country is going to go bust. >> so, charlie, when you were boss pimlico plumbers, boss of pimlico plumbers, you're, you know, a multi—millionaire businessman. you're, you know, a multi—millicyoue businessman. you're, you know, a multi—millicyoue b ifinessman. you're, you know, a multi—millicyoue b if somenan. you're, you know, a multi—millicyoue b if some of]. what would you do if some of your staff called up and said, your staff called up and said, you you thought they you know, maybe you thought they had weekend, but what had a heavy weekend, but what would do called up

would you do if they called up and thought were and you thought they were blagging look, blagging it? well look, i mean, many, people to many, many people that used to work would always have work for us would always have the and friday illness. the monday and friday illness. >> what it is, but >> no one knows what it is, but it every monday and friday it comes every monday and friday and will work them and eventually we will work them people of the door because people out of the door because they're the company. they're no good for the company. they other people down, they bring other people down, you don't people you know, why don't people just go get good day's go to work and get a good day's money for a good day's work instead of like, trying to keep fiddling and sponging off of people? >> okay, rachel, last word to you.so >> okay, rachel, last word to you. so the mounting bill, the sickness bill in the uk is £50 billion a year, and experts reckon that's going to rise by another 20 billion by the end of the decade. so what is the decade. right. so what is the solution. >> so solution is really >> so the solution is really clear. we've got to go upstream. we've got to get young people support when they need it. we need early intervention. we need much better mental health services to sort of cut this off before it gets further down the line. when people are, you know, in such a position, they feel they can't work. that's where they can't work. that's where the money should be spent. we've got basically we've in real time

spending. there's been practically no increase in mental health spending over the last so rachel, last five years. so rachel, people are not sorry to interject, the prime interject, but the prime minister argue that if you minister would argue that if you if giving people if you're giving these people money benefits, they're not money and benefits, they're not going motivation and going to have the motivation and the go get better the will to go and get better anyway or go and find work and, you settle themselves back anyway or go and find work and, you society ettle themselves back anyway or go and find work and, you society .ttle themselves back into society. >> vie. >> vie. >> yeah. so what i'm saying is get to the problem earlier, even before going benefits get to the problem earlier, even befo saying going benefits get to the problem earlier, even befo saying thatoing benefits get to the problem earlier, even befo saying that they benefits get to the problem earlier, even befo saying that they can'tnefits get to the problem earlier, even befo saying that they can't work and saying that they can't work if they've got problems with their psychological health, get them sooner. we've got 1.9 million people waiting lists million people on waiting lists for mental health services in the nhs . if those 1.9 million the nhs. if those 1.9 million people were getting proper support on the nhs ahead of time, they wouldn't be going down the line and saying they couldn't get to work. okay, well i agree, mental health, it's good work for your mental good to work for your mental health, only you're able health, but only if you're able to and get the help before. >> great stuff rachel kelly >> okay great stuff rachel kelly charlie mullins, very charlie mullins, thanks very much. argue that much. some people do argue that there's waiting list and there's a big waiting list and they seen by mental they can't get seen by mental health experts because there's frankly the

frankly too many people in the country. but anyway, what do you agree a agree with? has britain become a nafion agree with? has britain become a nation people? agree with? has britain become a nation on people? agree with? has britain become a nation on says people? agree with? has britain become a nation on says the people? agree with? has britain become a nation on says the whole.e? ariana on x says the whole country become weak. it country has become weak. it starts and starts with leadership and leadership is weak. leadership everywhere is weak. hard to disagree with that. melissa on x says yes and no. some recent events have left a lot more people sick, but i think a lot of other people are taking the mickey and dave on. x says have no resilience says people have no resilience and have a victim mindset. this has all become worse since covid, as now an covid, as there's now an expectation the government expectation that the government can all your problems. and can solve all your problems. and your verdict is now in. 85% of your verdict is now in. 85% of you that britain has you agree that britain has become a nation weak willed become a nation of weak willed people. 15% of you say, we haven't . coming up, a top police haven't. coming up, a top police officer says the force is instituted only racist, but are all while . oh, sorry about that. all while. oh, sorry about that. but all the while. there we go. need another coffee? they're taking over 17 hours to respond to anti—social behaviour calls. so have britain's bobbies got their priorities all wrong? former top cop norman brennan gives his unrivalled insight . gives his unrivalled insight. also coming up, nigel farage doesn't mince his words.

>> i think if winston churchill came back and led the conservative party, it wouldn't really help their ratings very much . much. >> say what you really think, nigel. are the conservatives so damaged that even our great war hero couldn't save them and has labour party been caught out labour party hq been caught out for sexist? get ready for for being sexist? get ready for top tory mp the rebel with a cause dame andrea jenkins. she's next. this is patrick christys tonight with ben leo.

gb news. this is patrick christys. tonight with me. ben. leo. only on gb news coming up. why are british cops taking 18 hours? yes, 18 hours to respond to out of control yobs. but first, the tories have sunk to a record low in the polls for a second consecutive month, with their measly vote share of just 19% being the worst they've registered in 45 years. it's bad news for rishi sunak. two with his personal approval ratings at the worst level in the history of the worst level in the history oprsos the worst level in the history of ipsos polling, that's as low as john major in 1994 and a one jeremy corbyn in 2019. and with reform uk just six points behind the tories and snapping at sunaks heels , their founder sunaks heels, their founder nigel farage believes it's curtains for the conservatives at the next election. >> i don't believe it's really about rishi sunak. i think if winston churchill came back and led the conservative party, it wouldn't really help their ratings very much. my belief is it's the conservative brand that's really taking the hit. i

believe that the tory brand is absolutely in the bin. i don't think rishi can recover. but tell me, am i wrong ? tell me, am i wrong? >> tory mp dame andrea jenkins joins me now. good evening andrea, thank you so much for joining me , is your party doomed joining me, is your party doomed at the election or is there any way back? is nigel right that even sir winston churchill couldn't look i like couldn't save you? look i like and respect nigel, and i'd love to have seen him in the lords for he did fighting for for what he did fighting for brexit. for what he did fighting for bre but actually, it's not as >> but actually, it's not as simple that. i mean, on the simple as that. i mean, on the doorstep, i'm finding actually , doorstep, i'm finding actually, an is angry. many an electorate who is angry. many voted conservative for the first time in 2019. they lent their vote, they voted for boris, they voted for brexit and really, they feel that they haven't seen they feel that they haven't seen the results that they wanted . the results that they wanted. and obviously i empathise and empathise with that. but if we look at the ashcroft polling, there's not actually a good appetite for starmer. and i'm finding this on the doorstep, ben, now people are saying to me

they don't want to vote for laboun they don't want to vote for labour, but give me a reason to vote conservative. well, i mean, you'd say a lot of the tory votes are going to reform. i mean, the labour polling isn't really up from the corbyn era, is it? so what do the tories do about reform? because actual about reform? because in actual fact, asking me, fact, if you're asking me, i don't think they particularly care much about winning don't think they particularly care i much about winning don't think they particularly care i think:h about winning don't think they particularly care i think they)ut winning don't think they particularly care i think they just/inning don't think they particularly care i think they just wantg don't think they particularly care i think they just want to seats. i think they just want to obliterate the tories. >> look, richard >> well, i mean, look, richard tice has said that and, you know , other of their members have also said that. but, i mean, i think it's very sad because i think, you know, the right should be coming together. true. conservatives should be coming together. now, i think we together. now, what i think we need , yes, i well, first of need is, yes, i well, first of all, i don't think it's over , all, i don't think it's over, but i am an optimist. anyway, i just think we need common sense concept ism. i mean, you know, we must be tough on crime. we don't want this two tier policing system. we want to be controlling our borders. we want to tax conservative tvs, to be low tax conservative tvs, small state conservatives and

actually, it's actually not just about economics. that's a big part to play. but this, this whole wokeism and silencing of common sense has got to stop. and i believe that the british pubuc and i believe that the british public and its progressed at such a rate that the british pubuc such a rate that the british public that want a bold radical, unapologetic government who actually is proud to be british and call out this nonsense. that's what i think people need. ben. >> see, andrea, you talk sense, you talk common sense, and you talk about conservative values, which is great. but in actual fact, the truth is no offence. your party is riddled with lib dems in disguise. so you get it, you it. are you not tempted you get it. are you not tempted to maybe have a conversation with richard tice? has that happened yet? he approached you? >> look, i've. i've known richard. nigel, you know, all of them for years. i mean, i was there, fighting for brexit and back in sunderland on the leave means leave . i went to their means leave. i went to their conferences, spoke at their conferences. leave means leave . conferences. leave means leave. i was walking in sunderland with them try and, you know,

them to try and, you know, theresa may's awful deal, stand up for brexit. so, so these are people i know and who are friends , but i feel very friends, but i feel very saddened about this wanting to destroy. i don't like the language. wanting to destroy. look we're all conservatives. let's get our act together. and actually stop this socialist starmer government who will will destroy our, our country and beyond recognition. you know, people think that there's not much difference between, conservative and labour at the moment , but conservative and labour at the moment, but just wait to see if they get in power. then people will remember. >> all right, well, look, i admire your loyalty. can i just show quick from show you a quick clip from rishi sunak about sunak yesterday talking about your liz truss? take your colleague liz truss? take a look at this, mr speaker. >> mr speaker, when my predecessor was running for leader, to use his words , i did leader, to use his words, i did have the stomach to argue out loud about her economic policies. had the conviction to say that they were wrong . say that they were wrong. >> what do you make of liz truss

and her recent resurgence? >> no, i mean, i like liz and she's actually been campaigning for me and helping me, you know, raise funds for my seat. right. since i was first a candidate in 2013. and i've met a mum because she was from leeds, etc. i like liz and, she's standing up for true conservatism . i was very true conservatism. i was very disappointed in our prime minister actually playing to labour's rhetoric there and, you know, attacking liz . we should know, attacking liz. we should have been attacking starmer more, as prime minister, i know how can i talk as somebody who's very critical, but i'm not the prime minister. so i was very saddened . i was shaking my head saddened. i was shaking my head in the chamber when i when i did hear that. >> is there a future for liz in the party, do think if and the party, do you think if and when lose the election, she when you lose the election, she can get back on can maybe, you know, get back on side with the new leader, whoever be? ben i bring whoever that may be? ben i bring her back in the cabinet. >> we've got to unite as a party and boris back. you know, and bring boris back. you know, let's together and let's let's all get together and let's fight these socialists and let's stop getting government.

>> well, andrea, some would argue . sorry, sorry to argue. sorry, sorry to interject. some would argue that, most of your party are the socialists, and that's the problem. but we're going to move on to a slightly different story. i don't know if you saw earlier, andrea, there were shocking scenes in new york earlier today when man set earlier today when a man set himself fire outside the himself on fire outside the manhattan courthouse where donald currently donald trump is currently on trial. hush money case, trial. in that hush money case, there was a video doing the rounds online. it being honest, it's too graphic to show on it's far too graphic to show on tv. here's some pictures tv. but here's some pictures from aftermath . the man fell from the aftermath. the man fell to the motionless before to the ground motionless before being by medics. the being rushed away by medics. the tensions in the us are quite clearly running high. i just want to get your thoughts on donald trump if and when he wins the election over there. what would that mean for britain? and how would labour, if they got in, bearing in mind all the stuff they've said about donald trump recent years, david trump in recent years, david lammy, keir starmer you lammy, sir keir starmer and, you know, them . how know, the rest of them. how would that would labour navigate that relationship president relationship with president trump ? trump? >> i mean, look, lamb has been trying to roll back on that this

week, hasn't you know these week, hasn't he, you know these people i call starmer no scruples. starmer. you know, they will sell their soul to get into power. now i look donald trump's straight talking. he could be a yorkshireman . and, could be a yorkshireman. and, he's got a long memory and he will not tolerate, people speaking about him in that way. so i think the waters are going to be very choppy, between the us and britain, if labour are in power and trump is in power, it'd be far better if it was trump and a true conservative government >> but the argument is, andrea, that trump is, you know, absolutely riddled with court cases. this is the first criminal one. and you know, do you really want a potential criminal in the white house? >> no, i think look, let let, let it play out, let's see what happens with these court cases. but, look at biden . you know, but, look at biden. you know, they cannot have biden in again. i mean, he he can barely stand again at times.

>> yeah. >> yeah. >> so i don't want to see biden in. that's for definite . in. that's for definite. >> okay. and also just very quickly there was whispers that nigel farage may, if trump did win, may become sort of, you know, a trade envoy or an ambassador from the us to britain. do you think that's likely at all, i think it's more likely at all, i think it's more likely if we had a conservative government than a labour government. but i can see i can definitely see nigel in the white house. if trump is there, i can definitely see him as at least a political adviser or some significant role . and good some significant role. and good on him. i hope he does. >> and actually, liz truss >> and actually, liz, liz truss was i think it was was urging nigel, i think it was this week to the tories. if this week to join the tories. if and when you're wiped out and you're would and when you're wiped out and you'make would and when you're wiped out and you'make of would and when you're wiped out and you'make of that? would and when you're wiped out and you'make of that? would )uld and when you're wiped out and you'make of that? would you you make of that? would you welcome him the party? welcome him in the party? >> course i would. you >> oh, of course i would. you know, years i've been saying know, for years i've been saying that years i've been saying, that for years i've been saying, as at the beginning of as i said at the beginning of the that belongs in the the show, that he belongs in the lords. that lords. yeah. no, it's time that you right all you know, the right all conservative leaning, people. we come together now it is time. >> all right. dame andrew

jenkins, thank you so much for joining us. really appreciate it. lovely to see you. >> yeah. same to you. >> yeah. same to you. >> there we go. right. coming up rishi sunak opts for tough love with britain's work . shy at ten with britain's work. shy at ten i'll share you remedy i'll share with you my remedy for mental health for britain's mental health crisis . but next are taking crisis. but next cops are taking over 17 hours to respond to anti—social behaviour calls. but one top officer says they need to come out and admit institute racism. so have britain's bobbies been getting their priorities all wrong? retired top cop norman brennan. he's live next to give them a serious dressing down. don't miss it. this is patrick christys

gb news. ben. leo. in for patrick christys only on gb news still to come. could britain's worsening sick note culture be solved with a healthy diet and exercise? that's going to cause controversy. that's my take. controversy. but that's my take. i'll it to you 10:00. i'll give it to you at 10:00. but first, one britain's top but first, one of britain's top officers police forces officers has said police forces must acknowledge they are, quote, racist in

quote, institutionally racist in order to gain the trust of local communities. gavin stephens, chair of the national police chiefs council, said what i've found is that some groups simply won't work with us or take us seriously if we don't accept the diagnosis of institutional racism and say it out loud. this, of course, differs from the view of met police boss sir mark rowley. he has previously insisted police should reject the use of the terms institutional . and while police institutional. and while police chiefs continue to focus on diversity, their response times are becoming increasingly embarrassing. official figures show police have taken up to 17.5 hours. goodness me to respond to anti—social behaviour reports, with suffolk claiming the worst record in the country. so i'm delighted to be welcomed by a retired police officer, norman brennan. norman, with crime run out of control and cops focusing on institutional racism, have our british police officers got their priorities all wrong ? all wrong? >> well, they have got the

priorities wrong, what we should be doing is we should be, patrolling the streets, reassuring the public, attending every call that the public made , every call that the public made, victims of crime. we should be attending their calls, taking statements, sitting down with them, investigating crime. and we should be patrolling the streets and reassuring the pubuc streets and reassuring the public safety, on transport, the shops. public safety, on transport, the shops . we should be interacting shops. we should be interacting with shopkeepers. that is what the ethos of policing is. it's bafic the ethos of policing is. it's basic policing, patrolling , basic policing, patrolling, reassuring, deterring and arresting . arresting. >> okay, norman, we know what they need to be doing. so why aren't they doing it? >> well, because there's not enough of them, sadly, 13 years ago, policing was crippled under theresa may, the then home secretary under david cameron. they lost 22,000 officers, 47,000 backroom staff. so you had fewer officers doing more. plus they had to backfill. so that's when police sadly lost the streets and the criminal

fraternity actually took over. >> we norman, we replaced those officers, didn't we? boris johnson did it, no we haven't unfortunately, 20,000 officers were rerecruited over 5000 officers of already resigned and gone because they seen the state of policing and leadership. now let's get to the leadership. let me tell you why. gavin stephenson said what he has said about his officers being institution racist. he does not speak for tens of thousands of officers . he speaks for himself officers. he speaks for himself and a small clich of police chiefs. the reason why he has said what he said today is because him and the rest of the police chiefs in britain have lost the ability to lead . lost the ability to lead. they've lost focus. they're weak, woke, weary and lost. they detached from frontline police officers . they don't understand officers. they don't understand what the public want. they don't understand what victims need. but frontline police officers to do so instead of him. challenge the system. the criminal justice

system , the home secretary and system, the home secretary and the courts to do their job. what he thought the easiest thing to do are throw all my officers under the bus. that would detract attention away from us. now, tens of thousands of frontline police officers care passionately about the public. are they institutionally racist ? are they institutionally racist? but i was the only serving police officer in britain 30 years ago that challenged the macpherson report . and do you macpherson report. and do you know what? i also liaise with the deputy chief constable, robert ayling, that investigated the metropolitan police. and his report was given to william macpherson. william macpherson only used 50% of that report. and when i said to robert, did you find any racism within the met police? he said, no, i didn't, norman. what i found was in competence, bad leadership and a bad investigation . but and a bad investigation. but william macpherson had to do something because the controversy around stephen lawrence murder was so much he had to find something wrong with the police. okay norman, you

said that the police chiefs and leaders were woke . leaders were woke. >> why are they woke? what have they been doing in your eyes? that's, you know, woke. >> well, i'll tell you what. all they're in doing is they're interested in doing is telling about pronouns. telling you about pronouns. telling about their sex, telling you about their sex, telling you about all the issues that most of the british public don't give a toss about. excuse the french. what they want is police leaders with vision, passion, direction, and the ability to earn respect from their officers. the public and victims of crime. but they've abandoned the ethos of leadership, and they've left it to frontline officers to take the flak. now, frontline police officers and just to finish off on this racism business, because i'm sick of it. we've had over 30 years of the police being bashed with the racist baseball bat. it's a bit like in the black community, me saying the black community, me saying the black offenders in the black community, well, the rest of the black community have a tendency to actually support them. well, we all know that that's not the

case. and we also know well, i certainly do that . the frontline certainly do that. the frontline police officers, some that are racist, are certainly not supported by their colleagues. in fact, the complete opposite. let's put all this racist institutional nonsense to one side. it's been going on for far too long and the black community and the white community, in fact, every community want to see police on the streets, policing without fear and favour and doing the job that they pay the police to do and the police themselves expect to do without being distracted from weak, out of touch, lost chief police officers. >> norman, i've been thinking. isn't part of the problem. the fact that police forces require new coppers to have degrees. because in my experience, working in the professional world, in the media, i mean, most of the time people that come out of university with degrees coming out there is there be quite frank, there there to be quite frank, there are some most useless are some of the most useless people they can't pick up people going. they can't pick up the they look at the phones, they can't look at people eye and speak to people in the eye and speak to them. i'll just the them. and i'll just get the feeling that police forces

feeling that with police forces eliminating so many decent people, maybe from other careers and industries because they haven't , as you haven't got degrees, as you know, in actual fact, they're just recruiting bunch of wet just recruiting a bunch of wet kids who, you know, haven't got a damn clue about the real world. >> the only degree police officers need is a degree of common sense, a degree of belief in making a difference on the streets, working with their colleagues to make society better and safer for them all. but we've got lost so much. so now that police officers are joining the police service, they've read the glossy brochures and they realise that when they join that they're almost on their own. anything goes wrong. they're on social media, they're on the iphones. everybody's slagging the police officers up off because they don't think that they care. there's too many not to care enough. they turn up, as you rightly say, 17 hours for antisocial behaviour . and the antisocial behaviour. and the police do care. that's a joke. they they do want to turn up. and when i was in the police service and it's dreadful when i look back at dixon of dock

green, he looked up to . he green, he was looked up to. he was and he really was was respected and he really was liked . we need to get back that liked. we need to get back that sort of policing and stop all this anti social behaviour nonsense by our own police chiefs that are detached from frontline issues. >> okay , norman brennan, really >> okay, norman brennan, really appreciate you being with us. i can see you're fired up and it's great. you know, i really, really can see how strongly you feel about and actually, feel about this. and actually, so the british public when so do the british public when they're come they're taking 18 hours to come and level yobs or and sort some low level yobs or vandalism out. it makes you wonder what the point is. you know , actually, rudy know, and actually, rudy giuliani, york giuliani, the former new york mayor, had a great, a broken mayor, he had a great, a broken window theory, they called it. you with the low level you deal with the low level crime, and stops the more crime, and that stops the more serious escalating . serious crime escalating. norman, much for norman, thanks very much for your it. have a your time. appreciate it. have a good . right. still more good evening. right. still more to come locals prepare to to come as locals prepare to stage anti tourist protests. should the brits boycott the canary go toe to toe canary islands? i go toe to toe with one of the protesters very shortly, did rishi shortly, but next did rishi sunak launch full on assault sunak launch a full on assault on anxious today? was on the anxious today? or was a dose of love exactly what dose of tough love exactly what brits going to

brits need. i'm going to be getting into that just getting stuck into that in just a few moments. is patrick a few moments. this is patrick christys with me, ben christys tonight with me, ben elliott news your weather. >> that warm feeling inside from boxt boilers . sponsors of boxt boilers. sponsors of weather on . gb news. weather on. gb news. >> hi there and welcome to the latest update from the met office for gb news skies clearing overnight. most places fine as we start the weekend with high pressure in charge . with high pressure in charge. that high pressure moving in from the west still a bit of a chilly breeze from the north, but as high pressure moves in, skies are going to clear. but as high pressure moves in, skies are going to clear . winds skies are going to clear. winds are going to ease and under lengthy, clear skies and with light winds, temperatures will fall away . a few mr fog patches fall away. a few mr fog patches possible for the likes of northern ireland and some frosty conditions as we begin the weekend. so gardeners beware. temperatures in urban areas 3 to 5 celsius, but as low as minus three for the likes of northern ireland, northwest england and

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gb news. >> it's 10 pm. this is patrick christys. tonight with me. ben. leo. >> we now spend £69 billion on benefits for people of working age with a disability or health condition. >> rishi's war on sick note. britain. are we a nation of wets? the spanish tell us to do one from the canaries and they've been drowning the country in raw sewage. so should taxpayers fund a £15 billion takeover of filth merchants thames water. meanwhile, talking of garbage, did you know, however, there is a gender identity that is linked to the seasons gen z invents a new genden seasons gen z invents a new gender, this time based on the seasons. tomorrow's newspaper front pages are minutes away. two and tonight's top panel are riled and ready to go. tonight, i'm joined by journalist and

author harriet sergeant, former bbc political correspondent john sergeant, and social commentator joana jarjue. oh, and by the way, the met police are locked in yet another scandal. you are quite openly jewish. >> this is a pro—palestinian march . march. >> strap yourselves in. let's do this. skiving brits given just the medicine . next. medicine. next. >> good evening. i'm sophia wenzler and the gb news room . wenzler and the gb news room. your top story this hour. police in new york say conspiracy theory pamphlets were found near a man who set himself on fire outside the courthouse where former us president donald trump is on trial. the man was in the designated protest area outside the manhattan criminal court. police have identified the man as maxwell azarello from

florida, who is in his 30s. he's been taken to hospital and is in a critical condition. the trump campaign released a statement this afternoon offering its condolences to the traumatised witnesses after blaze . the witnesses after the blaze. the uk and western allies are calling for de—escalation in the middle east after reports that israel launched air strikes against iran, state media says three drones were shot down with explosions heard at an airbase near the city of isfahan. no damage or injuries have been reported in the latest exchange. the strike is thought to be in response to last weekend's attack, when iran fired a barrage of drones and missiles at israel . in other news, the at israel. in other news, the british medical association is urging rishi sunak to avoid using hostile language on what he described as sick note culture. during a major speech, the prime minister said 850,000 more people are out of work since the pandemic , and insists since the pandemic, and insists he's on a moral mission to fix the problem. the proposals,

though, have been described as a full on assault on disabled people . rishi sunak recognised people. rishi sunak recognised he'll be accused lacking he'll be accused of lacking compassion , but insists the uk compassion, but insists the uk can't afford a spiralling increase in the welfare bill. >> i'll spend £69 billion on benefits for people of working age with a disability or health condition. that's more than our entire schools budget, more than our transport budget, more than our transport budget, more than our policing budget, and spending on personal independence payments alone. it's forecast to increase by more than 50% over the next four years. >> the prime minister is promising his rwanda safety bill will be passed on monday. rishi sunak couldn't confirm whether asylum flights would get off the ground by his spring deadline, but he did his intention was but he did say his intention was to get the legislation through parliament without further delay . he says mps will be forced to sit in the commons until the job is done . now the met police has

is done. now the met police has apologised for causing further offence with an earlier apology about officers use of the tirm. openly jewish, to an anti—semitism campaigner who was near a pro—palestine march. a video clip posted on social media showed the moment gideon falter was threatened with arrest by police. >> you are quite openly jewish. this is a pro—palestinian march. i'm not accusing you of anything, but i'm worried about the reaction to your presence. >> the chief executive of campaign against anti—semitism was wearing a kippah, skullcap when he was stopped from crossing a road near the demonstration in london last saturday. an earlier apology suggested opponents of the marches must know that their presence is provocative , but the presence is provocative, but the force have now issued another statement apologising for the further offence. this earlier apology had caused . and for the apology had caused. and for the latest story, sign up to gb news alerts by scanning the qr code on your screen or go to gb news. common alerts. now it's back to

ben . ben. >> rishi sunak today launched a war on the worried and assaults on the anxious as he demanded an end to britain's sick note culture that's left us footing a £50 billion benefit bill for people out of work . the prime people out of work. the prime minister says that figure is set to balloon by a further 20 billion by the end of the decade, warning such a rise was not, quote, justifiable, sensible sustainable . sensible or sustainable. >> over half of all the people who joined that group of the economically inactive last year were citing mental health or anxiety as the main reason . and anxiety as the main reason. and you've seen this massive increase since the pandemic. most worryingly, i think for all of us amongst young people . and of us amongst young people. and that can't be right. >> what rishi is suggesting here is that people signed off work with anxiety or depression will no longer be eligible for sickness payments, and he's going to scrap ability for going to scrap the ability for gps people off with sick gps to sign people off with sick notes instead them notes two instead referring them to linked to

to specialist teams linked to the benefit system who will judge whether somebody is unwell enough to say that's caused a stir is, well, quite the understatement , sarah hughes, understatement, sarah hughes, chief executive mental chief executive of the mental health mind. she said to health charity mind. she said to imply that it's easy both to be signed off work and then to access benefits is deeply damaging. it's insulting to the 1.9 million people on a waiting list to get mental health support, to the whose support, and to the gps, whose expert is being called expert judgement is being called into question. so what's the answer ? and look, i know life is answer? and look, i know life is tough. it's undoubtedly got a hell of a lot harder in recent years for a number of reasons. the tories , i suggest, haven't the tories, i suggest, haven't done enough fund public done enough to fund public services. they're also responsible for totally out of control migration. that's control mass migration. that's putting even pressure on putting even more pressure on things surgeries and things like gp surgeries and hospitals . and let's not forget, hospitals. and let's not forget, by the way, we're all much skinnier we were some years skinnier than we were some years ago. but dare it, for ago. but dare i say it, for those suffering from anxiety and depression, conditions depression, are those conditions that we can try and control ourselves. there's huge science behind the facts that eating,

for example, a nutritional diet and i guess most importantly, exercising and keeping fit goes a hell of a way towards battling feelings of doom and worry. conservatism is all about self—respect ability, and i put it to the nation that many people suffering debilitating mental health conditions should focus more on what they can do for themselves, such as exercising. maybe lifting weights, running, and of course, eating well. other than rather than relying on a government that doesn't frankly know its arse from its elbow. but let's get the thoughts of my panel tonight. i'm joined by former bbc chief political correspondent john sergeant john. journalist and author harriet sergeant and social commentator jo anna joana jarjue. it's a brace of sergeants tonight. you're not related, are you, by the way? >> no, no, no, we've gone into that. >> we went back to grandfathers. >> we went back to grandfathers. >> you've checked the family trees out and you've got a vicar, nothing like vicar, which is nothing like my family. vicar, which is nothing like my fani.y. we weren't. >> i knew we weren't. >> i knew we weren't. >> i'll start with you. >> harriet. i'll start with you. right. | >> harriet. i'll start with you. right. i being too simplistic right. am i being too simplistic by people with

by saying that people with mental conditions, mental health conditions, depression, , they could depression, anxiety, they could go a long way towards sorting that getting in shape, that by maybe getting in shape, going to the gym, eating properly? being a bit ignorant? >> no, i totally agree with you and i think the we have take and i think the we have to take responsibility for ourselves and i exercise makes a huge i think exercise makes a huge difference to one's mood. i mean, you don't to join an mean, you don't have to join an expensive gym. you can just go out for a walk , and also, out and go for a walk, and also, i that being in a job i think that being in a job makes a huge difference , being makes a huge difference, being staying at home, actually having a kind of, you know, self—imposed lockdown, which is what so many of these people have done to themselves staying at home, getting depressed and anxious, not going out of the house is only going to increase your feelings of, you house is only going to increase your feelings of , you know, desolation. >> john, do we not need a some sort of campaign, you know, to get fit for britain because, you know, the welfare bill is £50 billion a year at the moment. it could go up by another 20 billion, by the end of the

decade. billion, by the end of the decade . do you not think that we decade. do you not think that we should be taking it upon ourselves to keep ourselves fit, rather the rather than relying on the government mental government to provide mental health services? >> that's certainly true. obviously, should as obviously, people should do as much can. but when much as they can. but when you've got 2 million you've got nearly 2 million people waiting for mental health appointment, it's very difficult people waiting for mental health aprthemlent, it's very difficult people waiting for mental health aprthem to t, it's very difficult people waiting for mental health aprthem to even very difficult people waiting for mental health aprthem to even start difficult people waiting for mental health aprthem to even start to fficult people waiting for mental health aprthem to even start to think, for them to even start to think, what can i do without thinking, oh, i better for the oh, i better wait for the appointment. yeah, you've got millions waiting for millions of people waiting for hospital treatment. yeah. so you just wonder quite whether or not we're approaching this rishi sunak approaching this from the wrong end to say. now, look, if we could, in fact, get the gps back working normally so that you can phone up, talk to your gp even for ten minutes, they might then say, how about more exercise? how about this? but more of that. but the whole system , seems to have got into system, seems to have got into such a state of chaos that the idea that, oh, by the way, i think you should sort it out yourself is seems then in those circumstances , rather callous. circumstances, rather callous. >> well, if more people did that, i mean, rishi sunak point

is and my point is that you should be people with depression , depression and anxiety shouldn't see shouldn't be going to see doctors and mental health experts, but should be trying to sort it out themselves. >> but doctors, the doctors >> but doctors, if the doctors were you might were there, at least you might have minutes with i have a few minutes with them. i mean, are they going to do? mean, what are they going to do? >> they'll just shove, you >> just they'll just shove, you know, pills. know, but the pills. >> but least they could say, >> but at least they could say, look, are the they could look, there are the they could say, are the various say, look, these are the various systems you can go into, but if you've i'm you've got no advice, all i'm saying all things saying is these are all things that margin, aren't they? that the margin, aren't they? but if there million but if there are 1.9 million people mental health people waiting for mental health appointments, got appointments, if you've got 7 million waiting to see a million people waiting to see a doctor a serious for doctor for a serious for a serious illness, don't be too surprised if people say, well, actually, i can't to work . i actually, i can't go to work. i want to sort out some of these problems. i need help . problems. i need some help. >> joanna rishi sunak never gonna on the fact that gonna focus on the fact that these people can't even go to get their foot in the door by seeing a gp, because he doesn't want to draw attention to the fact the waiting is fact that the waiting list is still high and it's his still sky high and it's his fault. he's doing the classic fault. so he's doing the classic tory punching and tory thing of punching down and blaming saying, oh, it's

blaming us and saying, oh, it's your fault. you're the one that's doing that's supposed to be doing this. i think actual smart this. i think the actual smart solution if we are solution to this, if we are spending too money this, spending too much money on this, which i don't dispute which we are, i don't dispute that to have this as that is maybe to have this as something that's actually means tested it to tested instead of giving it to everybody. and i think that rishi in a position rishi sunak is in a position actually where you're taking benefits people , benefits away from people, leaving them destitute, which is actually going to make people's mental health decline even more. and happens if we and then what happens if we start cases of people start seeing cases of people potentially, sadly, committing suicide they're suicide because they're in an even more terrible situation, the party actually the tory party could actually end having blood on their end up having blood on their hands when it comes to something like they should be like this, and they should be very that very careful. and we know that mental declined, mental health declined, particularly in young people after covid. they're very he's very isn't he . very mr hindsight, isn't he. it's very mr after the fact. oh. now actually , you know, it's now actually, you know, it's gone too far. so you know what what we're going to do is turn the tap off completely for everybody. it's absolutely ridiculous have everybody. it's absolutely ridicu doing. have everybody. it's absolutely ridicu doing. what have everybody. it's absolutely ridicu doing. what the have everybody. it's absolutely ridicu doing. what the type ye been doing. and what the type of leadership this leadership we need in this country to things country is to see things progressing you know, progressing and, you know, seeing thinking seeing things ahead and thinking , okay, there's an actual trend

here. the trend when here. let's buck the trend when it's early, before it gets to the point where the taxpayer's paying the point where the taxpayer's paying too much, rather than saying, we've saying, oh, actually, we've messed and a couple of years messed up and a couple of years have gone by. so what we'll do now is we'll make people in an even situation blaming us even worse situation blaming us rather than blaming themselves for abominable , for their absolute abominable, leadership that they've had the last. >> but also, there's a sense in which it's just too late, isn't it? you feel a little too late talking about that. he's really, i don't think, about i don't think, talking about what do in the next few what he can do in the next few months. he's thinking, what can i into the manifesto that's i put into the manifesto that's going to be radically different from what labour are going to put into manifesto? well, put into their manifesto? well, this for them and they this is fine for them and they go bounce forward. but go and bounce it forward. but for ordinary people just thinking, god, awful. thinking, god, i feel awful. i really don't want to go to work. this doesn't help. this manoeuvring thing is it looks sort of it looks strange and very distant. it's not connecting, i think, with millions of people who really just want to get on and they want to do quite sort of

straightforward things to help themselves and get on and know where to go. but frankly , i'm where to go. but frankly, i'm confused now if i'm if i don't feel well, do i talk to the gp? well, yeah. >> so his plans are what do i do. he's going to strip the power from gps to give sick notes to sick notes. specialist teams. >> sorry. who are these specialists and what faith do we have? >> they're linked to. >> they're linked to. >> where are they? i mean, if we can't even go and see a gp, how are we meant to suddenly see these, these sort of. well, they'll magical they'll be magical, magical assistant lives. assistant come into our lives. >> these health experts. >> these health experts. >> i think the fitness thing is a bit of a dangerous line to go down because obviously, yeah, i do, know number one do, because we know number one priority everyone priority for everyone we know about high male mental about how high male mental health been. health problems have been. we see suicide rates. there's see male suicide rates. there's so many, you know, fit men so many, you know, young fit men that are rugby players, football players get involved. >> are you talking about the image the gender the gender image like the gender the gender dysphoria? i'm not i'm dysphoria? no, no no i'm not i'm not talking about body dysphoria. >> no no no i'm talking about, the severe depression that some

people face that are just walking amongst us, that are sports stars that are fit and doing of that. i'm not doing all of that. i'm not saying that isn't, you saying that fitness isn't, you know, does help know, doesn't help. it does help when comes to anxiety and when it comes to anxiety and mental but to mental health. but i think to kind it as a blanket kind of think of it as a blanket view you've got to do view that all you've got to do is a run in the park. is go for a run in the park. it's fine for some people, for some people, and there a lot. some people, and there is a lot. >> there's of science >> there's lots of science behind that keeping fit, behind it that keeping fit, raising heart to raising your heart rate to certain definitely feels certain levels definitely feels better. amazing. what not talking about >> what we're not talking about is poor people are is all the poor people who are paying is all the poor people who are paying taxes the the, paying taxes for for the the, for large of for large numbers of increasingly numbers people for large numbers of increaswork. numbers people for large numbers of increaswork. num we; people for large numbers of increaswork. num we should,ple not to work. and we should, i think, given a little think, be given a little sympathy towards them for not coming with solution, coming up with a solution, though, aren't they? coming up with a solution, tho they're n't they? coming up with a solution, tho they're just hey? coming up with a solution, tho they're just punching >> they're just punching down all right. >> to come. i've got the >> more to come. i've got the very tomorrow's very first of tomorrow's newspaper pages off newspaper front pages hot off the way. and this the press on the way. and this happened you happened on our streets. you are quite happened on our streets. you are qui'this is a pro—palestinian >> this is a pro—palestinian march . march. >> i've got to be honest, that clip is unbelievable . if you clip is unbelievable. if you haven't seen it, stick around for the full, astonishing interaction and we'll try and explain the context. i'm not sure if i can, but next, britain's ploughed millions into

the islands economy, but the canary islands economy, but locals want us there. locals don't want us there. they're anti—tourism locals don't want us there. they're tellinganti—tourism locals don't want us there. they're telling usi—tourism locals don't want us there. they're telling us to ourism locals don't want us there. they're telling us to go ism locals don't want us there. they're telling us to go home protests, telling us to go home and do one. should we tell the ungrateful spaniards where to go? or are brits abroad? are law unto themselves? we cross live to the canaries shortly, stick with

us. patrick christys. tonight with me. ben. leo. the first of tomorrow's newspaper front pages are just moments away. but before you might seen before that, you might have seen this. today, massive anti—tourist protests are expected canary islands expected in the canary islands tomorrow. tensions have been soaring recent weeks over soaring in recent weeks over water usage, a lack of housing and pollution that locals reckon is linked to overtourism . so the is linked to overtourism. so the spaniards, they're so incensed that six of them have been on hunger strike for the last nine days. not too sure what that's going to do, but the canary islands tourism minister has urged to urged british holidaymakers to not cancel their holidays, saying to telegraph it's saying to the telegraph it's still safe to visit the canary islands and we're delighted to welcome you. yeah, sure feels like it. by the way , in 2023 like it. by the way, in 2023 alone, foreign travellers spent more than ,20.3 billion in the region. i think it's about £18 billion. and that same year, britons accounted for the largest group of tourists, numbering at 5.6 million. so it sounds to me like turkeys voting for christmas, but i'm going to bnngin for christmas, but i'm going to bring in sharon backhouse now.

she's the director of geo tenerife who organise tailor, milled, tailor made field trips to the region. sharon, am i wrong to feel a bit offended by these protests tomorrow? i think it's something like 70,000 people are expected on the streets of santa cruz. i mean, what's that about? >> well, hi, thanks very much for me on the programme. for having me on the programme. we're happy some we're very happy to give some context all of this. if i was context to all of this. if i was reading the press in the uk, i would hugely offended, but would be hugely offended, but you know, we are science you know, we are a science travel company . we do a lot of travel company. we do a lot of research in sustainable tourism, and we work with local and international experts and institutions, and we've been studying tourism studying sustainable tourism here in the canary islands for a number years. and i just want number of years. and i just want to message very, very to make this message very, very clear. not clear. this is not a demonstration against british tourists. british tourists have been here for decades. been welcomed here for decades. the canarians are very warm and welcoming , and they'll continue welcoming, and they'll continue to do to do so. so what's the problem ? they have a tourism problem? they have a tourism model here where foreign investors 4% tax and investors only pay 4% tax and they have free repatriation of

profits. and that tourism model means that a third of canarians are actually living at at risk of poverty or social exclusion. that's why you're having all of these problems that you're seeing, you know, there's low wages , precarious jobs, lack of wages, precarious jobs, lack of housing, etc, etc. so i think what locals are finally saying, and we've never seen anything like it. my partner is canarian, who runs our local operations here in the canary islands. we've never seen a movement like this, but it's absolutely not against tourists. against british tourists. they're for they're just calling for a fairer deal. the canary islands, the canary islands want to be a sustainable tourism destination, and fantastic . but and that's fantastic. but sustainable isn't just saving a bit of water and recycling your rubbish. you actually have to listen and work with collaborator collaboratively. local people. you have to encourage them to develop business and work with them in a very sustainable way. got it. >> sharon , i get that. and >> sharon, i get that. and you're saying it's not a protest for against brit, you know, british tourists or any tourists for that matter. but what are

all these pictures about saying go home. there's people driving around with on around in cars with graffiti on the tourists the side saying tourists go home. mean, how do you answer home. i mean, how do you answer that? >> yeah, it's a very good point . >> yeah, it's a very good point. and the british press, again, have a very big deal of have made a very big deal of that. actually it's a very that. but actually it's a very minority and minority minority action. and the organisers of the demonstrations absolutely do not support that kind of behaviour. and they've been very vocal on social media trying to put a stop to it. and actually i've been here on my latest visit for a number of days, and i haven't seen any of that. so i think that has been blown out of proportion. it's proportion. and i think it's a good thing for reflection. i think all want to sure think we all want to make sure that destinations we go think we all want to make sure thalocalsiestinations we go think we all want to make sure thalocals are nations we go think we all want to make sure thalocals are benefiting we go think we all want to make sure thalocals are benefiting asve go to, locals are benefiting as well, just very small well, not just a very small handful very powerful handful of very powerful investors take the investors who then take the money away from the canary islands. yeah. >> got it. all right. so >> got it, got it. all right. so it sounds like more a problem it sounds like more of a problem for canary islands for the canary islands government know, the government than you know, the brits the problems. brits causing the problems. but i what saying. i understand what you're saying. thank much being thank you very much for being with we're going to keep it with us. we're going to keep it short okay. short and sweet, if that's okay. now, bring up now, i just want to bring up this, from telegraph. this, quote from the telegraph. so nestor marrero, he's

secretary tenerife ecology secretary of a tenerife ecology group. quote, tourists group. he said, quote, tourists are in ways are allowed to behave in ways here that they would not be allowed to do home. do they allowed to do at home. do they fall drunk off balconies in london or drive their london or wales or drive their cars where it's prohibited in a nature reserve, no. i won't comment on falling off balconies , but i'm joined now by former apprentice star ryan mark parsons . ryan, is it an unfair parsons. ryan, is it an unfair stigma that we give to brits abroad? we're not all lager louts, are we? actual fact these guysin louts, are we? actual fact these guys in the canaries , they guys in the canaries, they should, you know, think about what saying before what they're saying before trying to exile a bunch of brits who, funds their entire country. >> well, i don't think it's unfair because i've seen it for myself. i've got. i went to zante a few years ago , and i saw zante a few years ago, and i saw the behaviour exhibited by british people, and it's unruly andifs british people, and it's unruly and it's embarrassing and there's been polling to support what i'm saying as well. yougov conducted a poll in 2019 , and conducted a poll in 2019, and 57% of british people actually found that their fellow countrymen and women are embarrassing when they're abroad

. the uk foreign office actually found 70% of british people overdrink when they go abroad. the behaviour is reckless and quite frankly , people enjoy. quite frankly, people enjoy. they should go home. >> i think you're being a bit out of order here. >> i don't think it's out of order. >> places like zante is full of young kids 17, 18 year olds. i first went to ibiza when i was about i think i in my about 16. i think i slept in my mate's suitcase. couldn't about 16. i think i slept in my mate'sa;uitcase. couldn't about 16. i think i slept in my mate'sa hotel.e. couldn't about 16. i think i slept in my mate'sa hotel room,yuldn't about 16. i think i slept in my mate'sa hotel room,yuldrthese about 16. i think i slept in my matyoung)tel room,yuldrthese about 16. i think i slept in my matyoung kids'oom,yuldrthese about 16. i think i slept in my matyoung kids just,yuldrthese about 16. i think i slept in my matyoung kids just going hese are young kids just going abroad. of age abroad. it's a coming of age thing. why are you having a go at and painting? know, at them and painting? you know, tarring entire country as tarring the entire country as louts couple of lads tarring the entire country as louts to couple of lads tarring the entire country as louts to go couple of lads tarring the entire country as louts to go and couple of lads tarring the entire country as louts to go and havele of lads tarring the entire country as louts to go and have a of lads tarring the entire country as louts to go and have a drink.is want to go and have a drink. other countries do it all the time. >> they're destructive. they cause chaos. said, cause chaos. like i said, anecdotally, experienced anecdotally, i've experienced this. so you you've never been abroad, drinks and. abroad, had a few drinks and. yeah, never acted yeah, but i've never acted in the the rambunctious, the way, the rambunctious, destructive that some destructive way that some british people do when they act abroad. that's why i'm not surprised. look malia surprised. look at malia in 2017. holidaymakers, i think around 10,000 holidaymakers. brits, by the way, specifically were banned from malia and also in 2023, amsterdam put out digital advertising to

discourage 18 to 35 year olds from going to the city. i mean, look, it's not just the canary islands. we've got crete, we've got the netherlands . this shows got the netherlands. this shows that universally british people are completely and utterly mortifying. when they go abroad, they don't know how to behave. and that goes back to the quote. you know, you wouldn't do it in london, your own people so much. why do i hate own people? why do i hate my own people? yeah, hate the way they yeah, i hate the way they behave. i they behave. i think they need whoever's watching british people to people watching this need to change behave when change the way they behave when they abroad. and i'm not they go abroad. and i'm not surprised spokespeople for surprised when spokespeople for tenerife from these ecology groups, that groups, they're saying that british , when they go to british people, when they go to the reserve, reserves the nature reserve, reserves aren't in the canary aren't there in the canary islands, will go to any protected spaces. they're not treating it with the respect it deserves. we're talking about people to all people that go to these all inclusive in people that go to these all inclhotel in people that go to these all inclhotel the in people that go to these all inclhotel the whole in people that go to these all inclhotel the whole time. in people that go to these all inclhotel the whole time. they the hotel the whole time. they have cultural appreciation. have no cultural appreciation. >> that's chinese >> that's the chinese government. example . they government. for example. they were forced to issue warnings to citizens ago citizens several years ago because people were chucking noodles in noodles over hoteliers in

different countries. also, the paris tourist board distributed a politeness manual for the french when they were working abroad. so it's not just us and actual fact. it sounds a bit classist that you're having a go. >> it's not class, it's at all. but we have this reputation. you can't that brits can't deny that brits abroad, abroad, that is a reputation that we are known that we hold and we are known for messy behaviour. and i for our messy behaviour. and i think needs to change. think that needs to change. >> oh well, let's hope you don't, you know, have drink. don't, you know, have a drink. too many near future and too many in the near future and get caught with, you know, it won't happen. get caught with, you know, it wortrustppen. get caught with, you know, it wortrustppenall right. >> trust me. all right. >> trust me. all right. >> thanks >> mark parsons, thanks very much. good stuff. coming up. should saddled with should taxpayers be saddled with £15 billion worth debt in a £15 billion worth of debt in a takeover thames i'm so takeover of thames water? i'm so passionate water passionate about these water companies. let companies. i'm going to let loose in a minute. and is loose in just a minute. and is it safe to be jewish in it still safe to be jewish in the are quite jewish. >> is pro—palestinian >> this is a pro—palestinian march . march. >> unbelievable. it's time next for the liveliest paper review. you won't get anywhere else on telly. i can promise you that. the first front pages are moments away. see you in a

leo welcome back. the first newspaper front pages have just dropped . we're going to kick dropped. we're going to kick start with the daily mail, benefits to be axed after a year on the dole. pm announces biggest welfare crackdown in a generation. that's sick. note britain. we've covered that quite extensively. the i disability in disability benefit faces cut in tory manifesto, yeah. same again , same again. the mirror. now the world waits on iran. so the middle east edged closer to all out war tonight after israel blitzed iran in a revenge attack. good news. something to stay positive about. over the weekend. the sun i feared i'd die in armed raid at delis. so this is footballer dele alli. used to play for spurs, making a bit of a resurgence . his bit of a resurgence. his ex—girlfriend has revealed she feared when she was going to die when armed raiders stole £350,000 of watches and gems. sounds terrifying . daily express sounds terrifying. daily express 200,000 demands dame esther rantzen gets her dying wish, the campaigner , who has stage four

campaigner, who has stage four lung cancer, argues the groundswell of support across the country for assisted dying and the daily telegraph carries this, excruciating story . that's this, excruciating story. that's the only way i can describe it. you are openly jewish. this is the exchange between a policeman and jewish man, which we're and a jewish man, which we're going to get stuck into now. i'm going to get stuck into now. i'm going to get stuck into now. i'm going to play you this full clip . but first of all, my panel about journalist author about journalist and author harriet sargeant, former bbc chief political correspondent john entrepreneur john sergeant and entrepreneur and social commentator joana jarjue. so me give you some jarjue. so let me give you some more detail about that story on the of the daily the front page of the daily telegraph. unless you've telegraph. now unless you've been living under a rock, you'll know marches know pro—palestine marches can get heated sometimes get pretty heated sometimes hateful, what hateful, in fact. but what happens when a jewish man gets caughtin happens when a jewish man gets caught in the crossfire? well this is how the metropolitan police deals with these kind of situations . there are quite situations. there are quite openly jewish. >> this is a pro—palestinian march who choose to remain . march who choose to remain. labuschagne remain here. you were arrested . we can't deal

were arrested. we can't deal with all of them. nazi keep going before you get arrested. >> i mean, completely shocking . >> i mean, completely shocking. but guess what? the plot thickens. still, because the met police released a statement earlier today apologising. but they said, quote, in recent they also said, quote, in recent weeks we've seen a new trend emerge , with those opposed to emerge, with those opposed to the main protest appearing along the main protest appearing along the route to express their views. well, god forbid they do that. the fact that those who do this often film themselves while doing suggests they must know doing so suggests they must know that their presence is provocative, that they're inviting a response, and that they're increasing the likelihood an altercation. likelihood of an altercation. harry, is it provocative to be jewish? >> well, i'm just appalled by this, i, i mean, this man, gideon falter, wasn't attending the demonstration. he wasn't one of these people who he just happened to wander out of a synagogue, come from his synagogue, come from his synagogue, and was sort of walking home when he bumped up against the demonstration. and at this point , he is

against the demonstration. and at this point, he is arrested for well threatened with arrest for well threatened with arrest for being openly jewish and for antagonising the marchers. now, i mean , in the world that i i mean, in the world that i thought we lived in, the police are meant to protect the vulnerable and the weak against the strong. >> i don't think that instead that they're doing the opposite. >> so before before we i bring you to in a few minutes ago, there was a fresh statement. so that met police statement was, you know, bizarre, bizarre enough. and then a fresh enough. right and then a fresh statement after the statement was released after the original one was deleted on twitter. says, we have twitter. it says, we have reflected on the strength of the response previous response to our previous statement effort to make statement in an effort to make a point about the policing of protest, further protest, we caused further offence . this was never our offence. this was never our intention. we've removed the statement apologise . statement and we apologise. being not being jewish is not a provocation. londoners provocation. jewish londoners must be able to feel safe in the city. john. sergeant, what the hell going with the met police? >> well, they've got into a muddle, haven't they? and there's complete misunderstanding there's complete mislpolice anding there's complete mislpolice broadly speaking,

the police broadly speaking, have be careful to make have got to be careful to make sure isn't a real sure there isn't a real conflagration between the two sides. i think we'd all agree on that. you don't want actually crazy battle to take place with supporters of one side fighting the supporters of the other side assuming there are two straightforward sides, and on this occasion they've obviously made a terrible mistake, they've apologised for it. the police have. >> joanna, i think the biggest crime here is communication, and i think it is a miscommunication the way that the police officer spoke to this jewish gentleman , spoke to this jewish gentleman, you know, kind of identifying his jewishness as the problem. but realistically, i think what he was trying to do was protect him from some sort of potential conflict, but instead obviously offended him by pretending. pretending as he was the pretending as if he was the instigator. but if we're actually to take a step back realistically , it's like me and realistically, it's like me and me walking up to a bnp march. what am i? you know what i mean? i'm saying that isn't i'm not saying that he isn't entitled to walking in the entitled to be walking in the street, i came across an street, but if i came across an edl bnp march, i would walk

edl or bnp march, i would walk straight away the other way. it shouldn't police shouldn't take for the police officer convince man officer to convince him that man walk but sorry, walk the other way. but sorry, let finish, should we? let me finish, should we? >> sorry, let me finish. >> sorry, let me finish. >> but i do think that the problem the way that the problem is the way that the police officer dealt it. problem is the way that the poliylanguage dealt it. problem is the way that the poliy language dea used it. the language he used was completely also completely wrong. and then also the police the statement that the police made place, he made in the first place, he shouldn't have been made to feel as was problem of him as if it was a problem of him being jewish. it should have been way of been addressed in a way of actual if the actual protection, as if the police on his side as police were also on his side as well the protesters. it well as the protesters. and it was about just keeping the tensions was just, tensions down. and it was just, you very bad professionalism, miscommunication , which you've miscommunication, which you've said, i think is a good said, which i think is a good point, come about because point, has come about because we've had months and months of demonstrations and i of, of and quite frightening demonstrations. >> i happen to live just near edgware road where there's often cars driving backwards and forwards, making anti—jewish remarks. i find this i'm not jewish, but i find it very distressing. i don't like it and i don't honestly see i'm all for people exercising their

democratic rights. but the fact this has gone on for months and the fact that if you look should be allowed, you are suddenly causing an offence. >> you shouldn't be allowed to process and where it was done properly. >> actually, i saw a clip i think we were on this show where a couple of weeks ago they were basically police in the middle, a line, and there were a dividing line, and there were some, jewish protesters. and there some there were also some pro—palestinian . both pro—palestinian protesters. both were exercising their right to protest. and it was done the way that it's supposed to be done. >> joanna, i think you're being far too generous to the police. >> going since >> this has been going on since october last year. were october last year. they were protesting israel had protesting before israel had even considered striking back last week, two weeks ago, we had that video doing the rounds of the woman complaining someone was carrying a jewish, sorry, a nazi placard , and the copper nazi placard, and the copper stood there and said, what do you mean to do about it? what do you mean to do about it? what do you about it? we need you mean to do about it? we need context a swastika. we you mean to do about it? we need contthe a swastika. we you mean to do about it? we need contthe a carrying. we you mean to do about it? we need contthe a carrying a we you mean to do about it? we need contthe a carrying a placard had the man carrying a placard saying terrorists, saying hamas are terrorists, rumbled to the ground, his placard taken. isn't an placard taken. this isn't an isolated incident . no, no.

isolated incident. no, no. >> and he's been arrested again and again, he's iranian. i and again, and he's iranian. i mean, i happen to i think the iranians are being very, very brave, and i have a friend who actually stood up as iranian and said, we stand with the jews against out against hamas and against out against hamas and against iran. the iranian looking dismayed. >> no, i'm just saying. >> no, i'm just saying. >> but what should the police be trying to do? what should what do we want them to do? >> but we don't have two armed battles. we have individual. battles. we have one individual. >> asking the simple >> i'm just asking the simple question what are you trying to do here? are you trying to increase provocation on make the chances of more tension , or are chances of more tension, or are you trying to reduce tension? that's what i'm saying. >> no, but i am just saying that one a right. i mean, i mean, one has a right. i mean, i mean, i've, you know, am i? i might be right. might upset right. they might get upset because i'm woman. i have no because i'm a woman. i have no idea. surely one has a right idea. but surely one has a right to round and also one has a to walk round and also one has a right, and also one has a right to protest . to protest. >> but also everyone has a >> but we also everyone has a right to protest, also right to protest, but also talking about a right to protest. >> this is the point. i'm

talking about walking around. >> okay. but then when the pro is when the pro is feeling distressed, but you can't be isolated, you can't live in a dream world where you're just your own. >> you're only thinking about what doing yourself. you what you're doing yourself. you must. i'm saying bear mind must. i'm saying bear in mind that other things that there are other things going that's all. going on that's all. >> an aggressive demonstrations are right. okay okay, so are going right. okay okay, so it's all right when pro—israel people protest , but it's not all people protest, but it's not all right when pro—palestinian. >> i think both should be allowed protest. both have allowed to protest. both have got allowed to. got to be allowed to. >> are about listen, >> both are about listen, i entirely agree with you. if we were about if there was were talking about if there was a israeli protest, a large jewish israeli protest, have we seen that? no. but say that not enough people have turned if there was large turned up. if there was a large i'm going to call time on this, not on people. >> i don't quite see what point you're harry. you you're making. harry. are you saying be saying there should be demonstrations sides or demonstrations on both sides or there be? there shouldn't be? >> saying no. >> no, what i'm saying no. >> no, what i'm saying no. >> just say yes or no to that. >> just say yes or no to that. >> no. let me answer. you've asked a question twice. i'll asked me a question twice. i'll answer you're going to answer it if you're going to have separate violent have two separate violent demonstrations, then i agree. if

you say had a large mass of israelis here, a large mass of pro—palestinians here, or iranians, whatever you want. yes. then the police have a very difficult task. they have to keep them apart. i agree, but we're not having that here. we're having an ordinary member of the public walking past who happened to came out of the synagogue unharmed. why should he? >> but then what was the problem? >> sorry . so there's not >> sorry. so there's not a problem, harry. there's. there's no problem . harriet. no problem. harriet. >> harriet. problem? >> harriet. problem? >> let me ask you a question . >> let me ask you a question. >> let me ask you a question. >> your description is so simple. what's the problem? >> we can't hear you one at a time. johanna. >> what is the problem with the police redirecting a police redirecting him on a safer route for himself. what is the. i see the problem the the. i see the problem with the way the police communicated way that the police communicated with why would want with him. but why would he want to front of a mob that to be in in front of a mob that people have been him are people have been telling him are so dangerous? people have been telling him are so yitngerous? people have been telling him are so yit doesn't? people have been telling him are so yit doesn't matter. why? >> it doesn't matter. why? >> it doesn't matter. why? >> he fighting violent role? >> they weren't a violent street. >> they were having a peaceful protest. there is nothing in this report.

>> it's peaceful. then why is there problem? there a problem? >> it could have been >> because it could have been peaceful . peaceful. >> walk along? >> why can't he walk along? >> why can't he walk along? >> saying it's not >> you're saying it's not peaceful? you're saying peaceful? then you're saying it is a peaceful. peaceful? then you're saying it is joanna. a peaceful. peaceful? then you're saying it is joanna. joanna,eful. peaceful? then you're saying it is joanna. joanna, can i can >> joanna. joanna, can i can i just these just say something? these are hardly when just say something? these are hardly got when just say something? these are hardly got chants when just say something? these are hardly got chants from when just say something? these are hardly got chants from the hen just say something? these are hardly got chants from the river you've got chants from the river to the sea calling for infetados swastika placards being carried down. >> i'm sorry, but for the millions, these are not solely peaceful protests. >> you accept that >> please. do you accept that i accept that there's people. >> there's always going to be bad within. when you've bad apples within. when you've got of who are got millions of people who are protesting of those protesting the target of those kind protests, why should kind of protests, why should jewish only 300,000 jewish >> there's only 300,000 jewish people why people in this country. why shouldn't be allowed to go shouldn't they be allowed to go down there and confront these bullies the people that they bullies for the people that they are? >> them to confront the >> you want them to confront the bullies. you them bullies. you want them to confront them. you used the word confront. >> do you want the what? do you want jews to run away and want the jews to run away and hide be cowered by hide and be and be cowered by people carrying the swastika? >> you confront >> you said you want to confront them. want them them. you've said you want them to demonstrators. to confront the demonstrators. >> to. >> they're allowed to. >> they're allowed to. >> but then they're >> all right. but then they're not allowed. >> you? would you? >> would you? why would you? >> would you? why would you? >> allowed. >> clearly they're not allowed. >> clearly they're not allowed. >> to

>> they're not allowed to confront them. >> they're not allowed to conthey're em. >> they're not allowed to con they're jewish. >> they're not allowed to con theyyou ewish. >> they're not allowed to contheyyou shouldn't here >> and you shouldn't be here unless you want them to fight. why? >> why would anybody sorry. why? >> why would anybody at rry. why? >> why would anybody at a'. why? >> why would anybody at a time, why pitching >> why would anybody at a time, whjany pitching >> why would anybody at a time, whjany type pitching >> why would anybody at a time, whjany type of pitching >> why would anybody at a time, whjany type of confrontation ng >> why would anybody at a time, whjany type of confrontation or for any type of confrontation or any type of people even any type of these people even being closer because it's being any closer because it's such contentious that such a contentious issue that why want people? why would you want them people? >> something that >> and this is something that people hold so dear to their hearts emotional hearts and are so emotional about know, about it, you know, know, for example , and also it's two example, and also it's two completely opposing sides. and people should be allowed to be on the streets but also be apart . that's it. i just like it. .that's it. i just like it. makes no sense whatsoever. like i said, if it was something, i just feel that i should be able to walk in safety down the edgware road, for example, without being screamed or abused. without being screamed or ablokay, is that would do . >> okay, this is that would do. >> okay, this is that would do. >> that will do. yeah. we'll call time on that. that was certainly we'll try certainly very feisty, we'll try and tame ourselves the break. and tame ourselves in the break. but my favourite but coming up, my favourite moment i crown moment in the show when i crown tonight's britain and tonight's greatest britain and union but first, i need union jackass. but first, i need to show you the latest gen craze. >> did you know? however, there is a gender identity that is unked is a gender identity that is linked to the seasons ?

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gb news. i did promise you it was going to be the liveliest paper review show on telly. and i don't think that last segment can be beaten. but we'll try again with this one. front have just one. more front pages have just been start been delivered. we'll start with the to cut the times. tory's plan to cut stamp duty, the conservatives are considering cutting stamp duty in the autumn statement before this year, blah blah, blah. yeah i mean, we long thought that there would be some sort rabbit in the hat in the sort of rabbit in the hat in the autumn statement, because the sort of rabbit in the hat in the autuone statement, because the sort of rabbit in the hat in the autuone wasement, because the sort of rabbit in the hat in the autuone was a ent, because the sort of rabbit in the hat in the autuone was a bit, because the sort of rabbit in the hat in the autuone was a bit of ecause the sort of rabbit in the hat in the autuone was a bit of a:ause the sort of rabbit in the hat in the autuone was a bit of a damp he last one was a bit of a damp squib. the guardian calls for calm israeli strikes calm after israeli strikes hit iran, further down iran, and also further down anger the for attack on anger at the pm for attack on benefits, okay, let's benefits, yeah. so okay, let's get a story now get stuck into a story now that's doing the rounds and that's been doing the rounds and actually has been, actually one that has been, really getting me angry for not just months, but years. i live down coast in west down by the coast in west sussex, and every time go down sussex, and every time i go down there have a swim in the sea there to have a swim in the sea or, know, my kids or, you know, take my kids paddung or, you know, take my kids paddling water, southern paddling in the water, southern water are pumping raw sewage, raw into the sea. we are raw filth into the sea. we are a nafion raw filth into the sea. we are a nation literally swimming in our own filth. thames water are now ,

own filth. thames water are now, well, we are considering the government is considering a £15 billion takeover of thames water. they're mired in financial crisis. they've also been pumping raw sewage into the thames as well. so let's see what my panel think of this now. journalist and author harriet sergeant, former bbc chief political john political correspondent john sergeant, entrepreneur sergeant, and entrepreneur and social joanna joana social commentator joanna joana jarjue. £15 billion for a takeover of thames water. john sergeant good or bad ? sergeant good or bad? >> well, it's terrible, isn't it? i mean, what it means is that after all this period of privatisation, it seems to have failed that they shareholders have wanted money. the bosses have wanted money. the bosses have wanted money. the bosses have wanted enormous salaries. the public certainly want investment. we've not had a reservoir built for 30 years. all this water that's come down from the sky. so much rain is going straight into the into the sewage. so it's out into the seas and the rivers. so it's not a matter of saying, oh, don't worry, there'll be no hosepipe ban this summer because we've had so much rain. no, the systems are close together . they

systems are close together. they need to separate them. there needs to be a special sector drinking water and proper water and another complete separate system running sewage. the population has grown. this is a complete shambles. i have to say . it looks to me as if the state will have to step in reluctantly . i am to say it. but you think they've not been able to make water privatisation in the thames area work? yeah, they've made a complete mess of it. >> harriet. >> harriet. >> yeah, mean, i'm absolutely >> yeah, i mean, i'm absolutely appalling. i think what's appalling. and i think what's so wrong normal as wrong about this is normal as sums of money. and listen, i was passionately for privatisation, but goodness, how wrong i was . i but goodness, how wrong i was. i mean, the enormous sums of money that have been taken out by the company, by the people who've been running it. and then we, the taxpayers, i mean, they should be putting the money, you know, who runs it? >> who the >> do you know who the shareholders are? they're all based china, you based in the uae. china, you know, elsewhere. >> they should putting >> well, they should be putting that i mean, why on that money back. i mean, why on earth should be subsidising earth we should be subsidising them. thing that i them. and the other thing that i think is a real scandal is the

role of ofgem, the regulator. yeah.i role of ofgem, the regulator. yeah. i mean, they let this yeah. i mean, they have let this company, this the water company to be run by cowboys and they've just let it happen . why have just let it happen. why have they let it happen. >> i mean they deny they're cowboys of course. but johanna. >> well i think that, after this and what we've all witnessed and the people, you know, who are in the people, you know, who are in the position of actually having to be serviced by thames water, nobody should be having any conversation about privatising the nhs because you've just talked about the people in the uae own this get all uae that own this and get all the dividends the money the dividends and all the money off we end up privatising off it. if we end up privatising the nhs, it's going to end up being american. >> get started. >> joanna, don't get me started. >> joanna, don't get me started. >> one >> that's one thing. that's one thing. a thing. but this should be a learning lesson. harry, learning lesson. no, harry, you've just that you've you've just said that you've basically lesson basically learnt your lesson when to , you know, you when it comes to, you know, you were it. there's were very for it. and there's a lot of people who are very for privatising nhs. one privatising the nhs. no one wants to. then on, wants to. and then later on, no. but this, but later on people do this, have panels before where have been on panels before where people been, have said that have been on panels before where peoa e been, have said that have been on panels before where peoa sound been, have said that have been on panels before where peoa sound argument.e said that have been on panels before where peoa sound argument. butd that have been on panels before where peoa sound argument. but i'll|at it's a sound argument. but i'll get to water . and i

get back to thames water. and i think that, you know, obviously this bill and this is a very hefty bill and it's not ideal. but it has to be done. we can't done. now. we can't get let this, know, get of hand this, you know, get out of hand any it just shows any further. and it just shows that, know, privatisation that, you know, privatisation does work to have people. does not work to have people. i understand that are understand that people are in favour i'm in favour of capitalism. i'm in favour of capitalism. i'm in favour capitalism favour of capitalism. capitalism to an extent, but free market capitalism, you have capitalism, not where you have these companies who have these water companies who have a monopoly and it monopoly on a local area and it doesn't work. so we need to revert back. we basically need to take the loss and learn from the lessons and hopefully never get back here again, because it's always going to be us who we be back here because we will be back here because i actually happen remember what actually happen to remember what what like what industries were like when they by the state. they were run by the state. >> it wasn't well, did we >> and it wasn't well, did we have have sewage getting have it? we have sewage getting pumped our rivers seas pumped into our rivers and seas were lower. well, were actually lower. well, i know, i mean , you know what? know, but i mean, you know what? >> they were much lower. nothing is not saying that is perfect. i'm not saying that maybe the system before was perfect, when this perfect, but actually when this water company was taken over and when when it was still under when and when it was still under pubuc when and when it was still under public ownership, it had no debt. now we're at 15 debt. and now we're at 15 billion. i think in billion. so i think that in itself is enough of a case.

yeah. besides, from all the sewage that's pumped into sewage that's being pumped into our rivers seas. our rivers and seas. >> so we're going to move >> so okay, we're going to move on a slightly different on to a slightly different story. now, want get your story. now, i want to get your thoughts this, because it's thoughts on this, because it's actually to to actually quite close to home to me. from ofcom, our me. so data from ofcom, our friends they reveal friends at ofcom, they reveal that quarter of toddlers aged that a quarter of toddlers aged 3 smartphone with 3 to 4 have a smartphone with 65% of five year olds unbelievable to year olds unbelievable 5 to 7 year olds sending messages or making video or calls. harriet are we or voice calls. harriet are we poisoning young kids brains? definitely. >> i i've spent quite a bit of time looking into this. i mean, we started at the talking about people suffering from mental health issues at the beginning of the programme, and there's an enormous number of young people who suffering from mental who are suffering from mental health and is health issues, and that is partly from, lockdown. but it is also has, gone in parallel with the rise of social media and mobile phones being used by young people. so, yeah, i think this is very dangerous. the us government has warned that it is a profound risk. i mean, all

these billionaire tech, people, they've all stopped their children using it, which i think is very terrible . yeah. is very terrible. yeah. >> zuckerberg doesn't let his kids use it. the facebook john really briefly thoughts? >> no, ijust really briefly thoughts? >> no, i just think, you know, it's of it as it's wrong to think of it as a hardware problem. i think kids are to, pick up are bound to, in fact, pick up these phones they're from these phones and they're from their and sisters and their brothers and sisters and all of things. i think all sorts of things. i think that we've that one. that we've we've lost that one. yeah. we can do is yeah. what we can do is concentrate on the software and the content. and there we've got to much tougher and much stricter. >> joanna. really? >> joanna. really? >> no, think it it's >> yeah. no, i think it it's tough we're in >> yeah. no, i think it it's tcgeneration. we're in >> yeah. no, i think it it's tcgeneration. for we're in >> yeah. no, i think it it's tcgeneration. for example,e're in >> yeah. no, i think it it's tcgeneration. for example, i'm in a generation. for example, i'm 30. i probably have kids in the next ten years and i'm glued to my phone. it's not really a my phone. and it's not really a great example a to great example as a parent to also just kind of keep them occupied by giving. so we need also just kind of keep them ocythinki by giving. so we need also just kind of keep them ocythink aboutving. so we need also just kind of keep them ocythink about also, so we need also just kind of keep them ocythink about also, the ve need also just kind of keep them ocythink about also, the family, to think about also, the family, let what the social let me show you what the social media some people. media use does to some people. >> this is a person who's apparently their apparently they changed their gender seasons. gender based on the seasons. take at this. take a look at this. >> you know? >> did you know? >> did you know? >> there is a gender >> however, there is a gender identity linked to the identity that is linked to the seasons and the season is an

individual who explores the gender identity in relation to a season or all the seasons, for example, winter or this might be somebody who's gender identity and expression changes depending on the season . on the season. >> forget kids. some adults need to be banned from social media and smartphones based on that right time to reveal today's greatest britain and union jack has harriet your greatest britain, please. yeah well, i'm going to put forward gideon falter. >> who was the, jewish man we saw earlier who wandered into the, the pro—palestinian march and has now announced that he's going to go back there on a regular basis. good man. >> so he should. john. sergeant, i'm going to put forward my greatest britain kemi badenoch, she's announcing that she should that we should kill off plans for equality quotas on large businesses. and she argues it can lead to greater expense and inefficiency . inefficiency. >> joanna, your face screwed up, then. >> looks like i'm not a fan of kemi badenoch. no, i know i

should have made her mine. all right. >> who are you a fan of? you might agree with those. >> i'm a fan of newcastle united. big fan of newcastle in general. i to newcastle general. i went to newcastle university so i love the geordies, unveiled geordies, and they've unveiled shirts to feel shirts for deaf fans to feel the noise of league, of the noise of premier league, of the premier league match, which is amazing but amazing for inclusivity. but also i actually did level two bsl, i love the deaf, so it's bsl, so i love the deaf, so it's both communities that i love. >> good stuff. oh look, normally i would say newcastle, but a few months one of i would say newcastle, but a few montgender one of i would say newcastle, but a few montgender critical one of i would say newcastle, but a few montgender critical fans one of i would say newcastle, but a few montgender critical fans from )f their gender critical fans from their gender critical fans from the and grassed them up the stadium and grassed them up to league. so it's the stadium and grassed them up to newcastle, league. so it's the stadium and grassed them up to newcastle, it'sjue. so it's the stadium and grassed them up to newcastle, it's kemio it's not newcastle, it's kemi badenoch. tonight's greatest britain. your union jackass. >> please. yes. this is the >> please. yes. so this is the audio, the audio guide of the royal museums of greenwich. i don't know if that could be a jackass, but that's the one, because they have claimed that queen charlotte was a person of colour, which, of course, she was in the in the netflix. but she wasn't in real life. and they have said that , that anyone they have said that, that anyone that says that she wasn't is an insecure white boys, which i suppose she means by that white

historians. in fact, she was a german princess. so you know, that's what she was. i wish she hadnt that's what she was. i wish she hadn't been, but that's what she was. john. >> okay. jackass. roderick williams, it's another of these people from the post office. he's the legal chief who's still the legal chief, and he refuses to take responsibility for the cover up of the scandal. joanna. >> your jackass. >> your jackass. >> mine is michael ashcroft for criticising angela rayner for fighting back after his own smears. i mean, he pretty much started she should not started this. she should not defend so he's defend herself. so he's definitely jackass give definitely the jackass you give it. you expect to get it back. >> oh, i'm going to go with the museum. >> oh, okay. >> oh, okay. >> who was it? royal greenwich. >> who was it? royal greenwich. >> greenwich? yeah >> royal greenwich? yeah >> royal greenwich? yeah >> museums greenwich. >> royal museums greenwich. there go. just there we go. i mean, just unbelievable behaviour. can we just stop all this nonsense just stop all this woke nonsense and know, get back to and just, you know, get back to and just, you know, get back to a normal, functioning society? that's tonight. you that's it for tonight. thank you so sergeant. sergeant. that's it for tonight. thank you so sergeant. notzrgeant. that's it for tonight. thank you so sergeant. not related, john. sergeant. not related, by the jarjue thank you. the way. joana jarjue thank you. thank you so much for being with me. appreciate it, i'm me. really appreciate it, i'm back patrick in back on monday. patrick is in the islands. the the canary islands. he's in the tenerife, probably to tenerife, probably trying to fend who are

fend off protesters who are telling him do one and go telling him to do one and go home. is next. after home. headliners is next. after your good your weather, have a good weekend . weekend. >> a brighter outlook with boxt solar sponsors of weather on . gb news. >> hi there and welcome to the latest update from the met office for gb news skies clearing overnight . most places clearing overnight. most places are fine as we start the weekend with high pressure in charge. that high pressure moving in from the west still bill a bit of a chilly breeze from the north, but as high pressure moves in, skies are going to clear, winds are going to ease and under lengthy clear skies and under lengthy clear skies and with light winds, temperatures will fall away. a few mr fog patches possible for the likes of northern ireland and some frosty conditions as we begin the weekend. so gardeners beware. temperatures in urban

areas 3 to 5 celsius, but as low as minus three for the likes of northern ireland, northwest england and north wales. temperatures, though, through saturday morning will quickly rise because of the widespread sunny skies . and it stays sunny sunny skies. and it stays sunny towards the south and the west for much of the afternoon. however, it tends to turn cloudier further north, with some outbreaks of light rain moving into northern scotland, where it will be fairly chilly and we've still got that breeze down the north sea coast, making it feel on the cool side, warm in the sunshine elsewhere and another sunny day to come for northern ireland. parts of southwest scotland, west wales and southwest england on sunday. bright into the bright skies also into the south—east. elsewhere, increasingly low cloud and some patchy rain and drizzle for northern england and eastern scotland . monday brings further scotland. monday brings further cloudy skies for many, with some patchy rain, but it stays relatively that warm feeling inside from boxt boilers. >> sponsors of weather on

gb news. >> good evening. i'm sophia wenzler in the gb newsroom. your top story this hour. wenzler in the gb newsroom. your top story this hour . a man has top story this hour. a man has set himself on fire outside the new york court. where former president donald trump's hush money trial is being held . the money trial is being held. the man was in the designated protest area outside the manhattan criminal court. police say conspiracy theory pamphlets

were found near the man, who has been identified as maxwell azarello from florida, who is in his 30s. he has been taken to hospital and is in a critical condition. the trump campaign released a statement this afternoon offering its condolences to the traumatised witnesses after the blaze. in other news, the uk and western allies are calling for de—escalation in the middle east after reports that israel launched air strikes against iran . state media says three iran. state media says three drones were shot down with explosions heard at an airbase near the city of isfahan . no near the city of isfahan. no damage or injuries have been reported in the latest exchange. the strike is thought to be in response to last weekend's attack, when iran fired a barrage of drones and missiles at israel. the british medical association is urging rishi sunak to avoid using hostile language on what he described as sick note culture. during a major speech, the prime minister said 850,000 more people are out of work since the pandemic, and