news. >> away . >> away. >> away. >> hello. good afternoon, and welcome to gp news on tv , online welcome to gp news on tv, online and on digital radio. i'm nana akua. and for the next few hours, me and my panel will be taking on some of the big topics hitting the headlines right now. this show about opinion . this show is all about opinion. it's mine. it's theirs. and of course we'll be course it's yours. we'll be debating , discussing and at debating, discussing and at times disagree, but no times we will disagree, but no one will be cancelled. so joining the next hour, joining me in the next hour, broadcaster and columnist lizzie cundy and also former labour party adviser matthew la la . party adviser matthew la la. coming up for my political spotlight this week, i'll be speaking to a british resident of rwanda to find out what life is really like in the place the

government is desperate to send asylum seekers to. is it really unsafe, then, for my great british debate? this, i'm asking, should benefits be axed after year on them? what do after a year on them? what do you now guest you you think? now this guest you will not want to miss my difficult conversation. guest is a faced a harrowing a woman who faced a harrowing ordeal after being stranded on a tube track . terrible state of tube track. terrible state of affairs. she ended up with her birth. two amputations because of the tube. you've got to stay tuned. i'll be asking why no one sought to help her. but before we get started, let's get your latest cameron walker. latest news with cameron walker. >> good afternoon. it's 3:01. i'm cameron walker in the gb newsroom. a police apology has been welcomed by the government, but the home office says being jewish should never be seen as provocative. it's after a metropolitan police officer stopped a campaign against anti—semitism. chief executive gideon falter from crossing a road near a pro—palestine march, saying he's quite openly jewish.

the home office, which says the comments is unacceptable, has written to the police commissioner and mayor of london a spokesperson for sadiq khan describes the met's handling of the incident as concerning. today, pro—israel demonstrators are holding a peaceful counter protest in central london called enoughis protest in central london called enough is enough. the group says hatred has no place on the streets of the capital. >> i can't walk through central london with a yarmulke on your head. >> no signs of any israeli flag or support for israel or any views on on what may be going on in the middle east. but if you're not allowed to walk across street central across the street in central london are openly london because you are openly jewish, then it's time for the government to act. >> it'sjust government to act. >> it's just sad that it's that this has come to this, that it's now regarded as not completely safe for jewish people to walk in the streets of their own own own city and not only is it distressing and vile as their views are, the distressing thing, it's also becoming becoming normalised . becoming normalised. >> meanwhile, pro—palestinian

protesters have been marching in sheffield's demanding a ceasefire in gaza . they're ceasefire in gaza. they're accusing israel of using famine as a weapon of war and criticising the government for continuing to arm the country . continuing to arm the country. the palestinian the palestine solidarity campaign also took aim at barclays bank, urging it to sever ties with companies which supply weapons and military equipment to israel. musicians, politicians and campaigners are rallying in glasgow, calling for another independence referendum in scotland. believe in scotland and pensioners for independence marched from kelvin way to george square to hear from speakers, including first minister there minister humza yousaf. there were feelings in the city, were mixed feelings in the city, with a counter—protest calling for country to remain in the for the country to remain in the united kingdom, to object against, the indy march still going ahead because they haven't accepted our our vote in 2014. >> in actual fact , one day after >> in actual fact, one day after it, the vote that we were they

would accept they started objecting to it and still going on about it to get humza out. >> to get humza out. >> to get humza out. >> yeah, it's about if i'm honest, so that's why i'm here. but i'm currently here for manana, so. well, it's our country . country. >> we want it back. thank you very much. we've been we've been a colony for over 300 years. >> we get nothing back. everything's taken from us and 90, 9° everything's taken from us and go, go south. >> three men who died in a car crash near a retail park in northwest london have been named by police . mohammad zahedi by police. mohammad zahedi mohammed ghazi and suhail zulfikar died when their vehicle went through a car park fence and hit a footbridge. it happened last weekend and the men, who were in their early 20s, were pronounced dead at the scene. two other passengers were injured, police say their injured, but police say their condition is not life threatening. investigations into the cause of the crash continue . the cause of the crash continue. parents and their children have

staged a demonstration in belfast over rising childcare costs. more than a thousand people carrying balloons, placards and prams took part, calling for immediate support. unlike england , there's no unlike england, there's no scheme offering free childcare in northern ireland, but some tax credits are available. stormont politicians want to prioritise childcare, but a new strategy could cost £400 million a year. they've requested a face to face meeting with the prime minister to ask for more funding. a two minute silence has been held, honouring the engush has been held, honouring the english men and women who died serving nation hundreds of army and naval cadets took part in a march past at the cenotaph in central london, marking 130 years of the

royal society of saint george. some members of the public were there to celebrate the day. >> well, we're big military people, so it means a lot to come down and celebrate and be part it all. part of it all. >> really . >> really. >> really. >> it's obviously the patron saint country and saint of our country and obviously i'm the old brigade and it means something to me . and it means something to me. >> we're english. he's a painless king of england . so painless king of england. so we've got a market. scotland. do it, wales do it. we've got to do it, wales do it. we've got to do it as well, and we've got to do it as well, and we've got to do it bigger and better. >> for the latest stories, sign up gb news alerts scanning up to gb news alerts by scanning the qr on your screen or go the qr code on your screen or go to . now it's to gbnews.com/alerts. now it's back . nana. back to. nana. >> thank you cameron. it's just coming up to seven minutes after 3:00. i'm nana akua this is gb news. we are the people's channel and it's time to mock the week. and what a busy one it's been. it started with a ban on trans women in women's sports. tuesday, we'd sports. but by tuesday, we'd moved on. you know? you know,

you've made when predictive you've made it. when predictive text the name. text predicts the name. katharine birbalsingh won her court case. of course she should. the thing i don't get is you've chosen to come to a school where you've been told that faith should be left that your faith should be left at the door, so no one is given preference. and now you've not given, been given given, you've not been given this. decide that this. and so you decide that you're going to complain. i say shove off. if you don't like it and find a school that does what you want. thank god common sense won the day , and no sooner had won the day, and no sooner had we moved on from william wragg and his alleged sleazy self, he's. the tories were embroiled in yet another ridiculous occurrence. this time it was conservative mp for flint or field, even in lancashire. mark menzies, who reportedly made a 3 am. call to an elderly party a.m. call to an elderly party volunteer in december claiming to have been locked up by bad people . mr menzies is accused of people. mr menzies is accused of saying that he needed £5,000 as a matter of life and death, which which later raised to £6,500. the money was apparently reimbursed from party funds. i think i read somewhere that it

all started on a dating app. mark refutes all the allegations , but the whip has been removed nonetheless. rishi sunak is in fighting form. he's getting tough on sick note. britain with around 9.4 million britons of working age , that's about working age, that's about a quarter of the workforce economically inactive , and about economically inactive, and about a third of those are long time sick, of which half because of their mental health. >> we now spend £659 billion on benefits for people of working age with a disability or health condition. that's more than our entire schools budget, more than our transport budget, more than our transport budget, more than our policing budget, and spending on personal independence payments alone , independence payments alone, it's forecast to increase by more than 50% over the next four years. >> well, we can't afford that. can we? get back to work? his plan is that doctors would no longer be able to sign people off sick. well that's great, but then they can't, who can wait then if they can't, who can wait for work for it? specialist work

officials . i'm confused. do they officials. i'm confused. do they have any medical training or will like the will it be a bit like the receptionist at a gp surgery? i agree with him on one thing though. people, if they can't work , shouldn't be on the dole work, shouldn't be on the dole for months. the for more than 12 months. the police threatened to arrest a jewish man simply for being at a pro—palestine protest. you are quite openly jewish. >> a profile estonian >> this is a profile estonian march. i'm not accusing you of anything, but i'm worried about the reaction to your presence. >> well, these marches are as peaceful as those who support them. then there should be no problem with him being there. no i wrote about smacking in the daily mail. nothing wrong with the tap on the finger or the leg, or a gentle smack on the bottom. when children have not yet grasped verbal yet fully grasped verbal communication and are in danger, i'd be a criminal for that in scotland and it's a scotland and wales. it's been a mucky . well, coming up, mucky old week. well, coming up, comedian lewis schaffer will be making light of this week's top stories in mock the week. then,

at 320, it's this week's hot topic. i'll be having a roundtable discussion , well, roundtable discussion, well, we'll be talking about smacking children . then. at 335, uri children. then. at 335, uri geller will be live to discuss the latest updates from israel. joining me to shine a light in the political hot seat today is adam bradford, a british resident of rwanda, who'll give us the lowdown on life in kigali after the government's rwanda bill yet another bill faced yet another setback. that's coming up in an hour. don't forget my difficult conversation. an amazing lady will be live in the studio with her harrowing story. as ever. tell me what think on tell me what you think on everything discussing, everything we're discussing, go to your to gbnews.com forward slash your say . all right so joining me now say. all right so joining me now is gb news presenter louise schaefer. what do you laughing at i'm laughing every time you call me a comedian. you think it's funny? no it's not funny. >> it's. it puts a lot of pressure on me to be funny. >> yeah, to be funny . well, so >> yeah, to be funny. well, so what are your thoughts on all of this then? we'll start with

where do you want to start with? first you start. no, start first you start. no, you start i think the jewish guy in the street. yeah. i mean , street. well, yeah. i mean, look, what's that about? he's he's obviously. is he's insane, obviously. why is he's insane, obviously. why is he insane? he should be allowed to walk through the streets of london. you that london. he's like, you know that you that. london. he's like, you know that youyou that. london. he's like, you know that youyou a that. london. he's like, you know that youyou a catt. london. he's like, you know that youyou a cat lady. you the >> you a cat lady. you know the cats. the who have this, cats. the cats who have this, parasite them that mice parasite in them that mice. mice eat, and then they lose all their cats. have you their fear of cats. have you heard this? heard about this? >> about that. >> yes, i've heard about that. >> yes, i've heard about that. >> and i think that's what >> yes. and i think that's what this lost his this guy is. he's lost all his fear situation. the fear of the situation. and the police trying to be nice. police were trying to be nice. they're basically admitting that they're can't they're impotent and they can't do it. he's do anything about it. so he's insane. the guy is insane. >> he's not insane. listen, people are calling these protests peaceful protests, but people are also praying for peace. he should be able to peace. so he should be able to walk through the streets in that march. he should be. >> what the truth is. >> it's is.- >> it's not. is.— >> it's not. it's not is. >> it's not. it's not about peace. so should, know peace. so he should, you know what it's, they got the what it is. it's, they got the police, did him a favour, and he's doing everybody else a favour by saying, you know what? the police have no control over the well, know what? they did

>> well, you know what? they did apologise, for saying >> well, you know what? they did apolo�*of e, for saying >> well, you know what? they did apolo�*ofe, language saying >> well, you know what? they did apolo�*ofe, language that|g >> well, you know what? they did apolo�*of e, language that they some of the language that they used, i asked myself, some of the language that they used,should i asked myself, some of the language that they used,should they led myself, some of the language that they used,should they have yself, some of the language that they used,should they have been, what what should they have been, what would you do? what should they do? what could they do? not do? what could they do? i'm not sure, will be discussing sure, but we will be discussing that at what do you think sure, but we will be discussing th.katharine what do you think sure, but we will be discussing th.katharine birbalsinth think sure, but we will be discussing th.katharine birbalsingh now?( of katharine birbalsingh now? she school. she was the. it was her school. yeah. was muslim yeah. somebody who was muslim wanted prayer room. wanted to have a prayer room. and nobody has and she said, no, nobody has any. preference for any. there's no preference for any. there's no preference for any religion. it's the school. you here. you're here to be educated she her i educated. she won her case, i understand why the little girls were asking for a prayer room. why? because when i was at school, we used to do anything we could to out of class. we could to get out of class. and that's just way let's. and that's just the way let's. you remember because you know, i remember because because i'm a i'm a jew, i'm not an openly jew, but i'm a jew. and we used to come up with these ridiculous holidays and these ridiculous holidays and the a million holidays. >> they have such great holidays. we have great holidays. >> we have great holidays. but we making we were we were making them up. we were making up. and, know, making them up. and, you know, this a special the this is a special day when the hummus flower and the hummus bush flower and the lemons. the lemons. right. it's all the bible. we would tell all in the bible. we would tell them just we could get out of them just so we could get out of class. them just so we could get out of clazbut right, isn't she, >> but she's right, isn't she, though, know, as soon you

though, you know, as soon as you start one, you start prioritising one, then you suddenly open to doing something for another and another. and before, school before, you know, after school days people days taken up with people praying. you want to know >> well, do you want to know something? right, you're something? you're right, you're right, right. right, but you're right. but obviously touchy obviously people are very touchy right now and they want everything. and what everything. and this is what happens is that the happens is that is that the people lost their fear of cats. >> do you think it's all about cats. >> it's all about cats is we've lost our fear of cats and we, we're afraid to the, and the we're afraid to and the, and the cats feel that they control control every, every thing you're talking absolute rubbish. >> the cat calling. you must dream of cats telling you what to do at night. >> well, i have a. i'm afraid to say what i'm thinking. >> don't. don't say you're >> don't. don't say what you're thinking. not. do thinking. perhaps not. what do you yet another you make of this, yet another sleaze story ? i mean, sleaze ridden story? i mean, obviously denied all it, obviously he's denied all of it, but mp , this time, he was. but this mp, this time, he was. he phoned up somebody else. apparently, this allegedly, and said, bad people are after me. and asked the and it turned and he asked the and it turned out to be six and a half grand taken of conservative party funds. >> well is that illegal? >> well is that illegal? >> i just don't know whether it

is or where they stand. but, you know, i don't think you're meant to use party funds for sort of. i think he was stuck in a room somewhere they wouldn't let somewhere and they wouldn't let him if is, that him out. so if that is, that would blackmail. you're would be blackmail. and you're paying would be blackmail. and you're paying if paying the blackmailer. well, if it's an it's true, i think as an american, i don't really american, an and i don't really understand politics understand your british politics here is that is that there's too much control . much central control. >> so all of these mps who are appointed, they're happy with. you know what i mean? they don't really have it's not their it's like could flown like they could be flown in anywhere. don't anywhere. so they don't really feel to the community feel committed to the community that they're in. so, they, that they're in. so, so they, they feel like they'd be they don't feel like they'd be there embarrassing filled or whatever that place called . whatever that place is called. and they're probably they're whatever that place is called. and th people 'obably they're whatever that place is called. and th people 'obethere. ey're lovely people up there. i've been northeast of , of been in the northeast of, of, of britain, and always found britain, and i've always found that the place than that dumpier the place than nicer. the people are. those people are really nice up there. it's raining all the time. >> it's lovely, isn't it? yeah. lovely to be. the lovely place to be. but the lovely people. lovely place to be. but the lowso people. lovely place to be. but the low so pwould lovely place to be. but the lowso pwould say lovely place to be. but the low so pwould say this, lovely place to be. but the lowso pwould say this, i would >> so i would say this, i would say want get rid of say if you want to get rid of this of thing, what you this kind of thing, what you need is need to have need to do is you need to have an american style system. and even can't, can't

an american style system. and evercan't can't, can't an american style system. and evercan't eliminate:, can't an american style system. and evercan't eliminate:, factn't you can't eliminate the fact that, he's he's in you know what it is ? it is? >> what is it? >> what is it? >> he's in london. >> he's in london. >> he's in london. he's >> he's in london. he's a >> he's in london. he's a long way from his boss up in field. whatever that place is in lancashire. he thinks he can lancashire. and he thinks he can get murder. not get away with murder. he's not murdered anybody. >> no. >> no. >> you know u >> you know what i mean by murder. yeah. >> know, some take >> you know, some people take that could brazilian >> he could pick up brazilian red them red boys and bring them back. >> that. on. >> no, he that. come on. >> that's not true. >> that's not true. >> no, listen, what >> no, listen, that's what i heard. no such thing heard. there's no such thing there. that's. completely there. that's. that's completely ridiculous. strike that ridiculous. we'll strike that from register. lucifer. and ridiculous. we'll strike that from not register. lucifer. and ridiculous. we'll strike that from not here ;ter. lucifer. and ridiculous. we'll strike that from not here to '. lucifer. and ridiculous. we'll strike that from not here to defend r. and ridiculous. we'll strike that from not here to defend himself. he's not here to defend himself. so apologies that. what so apologies for that. now, what about sunak in about this rishi sunak in fighting form, 9.4 million people are claiming sick. over half of them. of these sick people are saying it's because their mental health, which you can't at yeah. i mean can't prove at all. yeah. i mean , saying back to work , he's saying get back to work and only on the dole and you can only be on the dole for 12 months. i kind of agree with him. >> agree too. but he's >> i kind of agree too. but he's running out of time. going running out of time. he's going to minister for just to be prime minister forjust for this is what he's for two years. this is what he's focusing are focusing on. if there are that many of work, many people who are out of work, that's of potential voters that's a lot of potential voters that's a lot of potential voters

that losing thing. that he's losing on this thing. and say it and secondly, i hate to say it because guy lot. because i like the guy a lot. rishi seems a lovely rishi sunak seems like a lovely guy, but he done much guy, but he hasn't done much ehhen guy, but he hasn't done much either. what i mean? either. you know what i mean? i mean, what does he what is mean, he's what does he what is he and me tell you he actually. and let me tell you something. ergonomist something. i'm no ergonomist i'm not. what not. i don't know what the nature work but you have nature of work is, but you have to produce something in to actually produce something in order to call it work. if you go to a mountain nana and you push it and the mountain doesn't move , that's not work. >> you have to actually, you've done nothing. you've just stood at mountain . done nothing. you've just stood at and untain . done nothing. you've just stood at and i1tain . done nothing. you've just stood at and i don't want to say bad >> and i don't want to say bad things about sunak, but things about rishi sunak, but he's done his job well. >> he's tried, but he has had quite a bit of resistance. and there's been a of, there's there's been a lot of, there's been of people who are been a lot of people who are kind in way then his kind of in his way and then his party seem to be just party that seem to be just fizzling, evaporating fizzling, just evaporating before his very fingers. they're just doing ridiculous i just doing ridiculous things. i mean, wragg, this story mean, william wragg, this story about mark menzies, there's about mark menzies, if there's any of truth in it, any elements of truth in it, chris pincher, although that was bofis chris pincher, although that was boris yeah, but boris johnson's era. yeah, but the amount of leadership contest, the now contest, the changing of the now who's i don't even know which. it's so confusing. the education

minister who is it? which one? they keep moving them. >> well, because you have a one party system at any given time and you've got 300 and something, i don't know how many mps the tories have, but there's a lot there's a lot more of them to, to cause trouble. i guarantee you when labour takes over there's going to be a lot of bad things because there's going to be bad. there's no there's going to be more of them. that's so that's thing them. that's so that's the thing american system is the best. >> do think he's right, >> but do you think he's right, though? you think he's though? and do you think he's right gps will longer right that no gps will no longer be of sign people be able to sort of sign people off but they'll be work off sick, but they'll be work officials that will do this? i think i think when give think i think when you give people want to make money and the amount of money they get from being on the dole isn't that much money. >> that, for people, i'm >> so for that, for people, i'm actually caring about this as a person who extremely lazy at person who is extremely lazy at at unemployment at times collected unemployment insurance all sorts other insurance and all sorts of other benefits, say it and benefits, i hate to say it and not not, but when you give people a purpose in life which this society doesn't do, they

will go to work. and also when you stop, maybe they should stop giving all give people purpose in life and they'll make more money. >> well, what are you when are you back on lewis chauffeur? >> i am back on tonight at on headliners, which is a very funny with leo kearse funny program with leo kearse and nick dixon tonight on at 11:00. >> well, i love headliners. i always listen to it every night. >> it is, it is and it is just good fun. we should have you on the too. the show too. >> love to. thanks >> i would love to. thanks for the invite. be there. the invite. i'll be there. >> inviting i'm >> i'm not inviting you. i'm a humble employee. you're right. >> right, well, go on. >> all right, well, go on. >> all right, well, go on. >> you, nana. can say >> i love you, nana. can i say that? people say that? can you let the people say that? can you let the people say that nana? that? can you let the people say tha thank nana? that? can you let the people say tha thank nanlewis, what do you >> thank you. lewis, what do you want? >> m- wm— w m want?justto w m want? just to look >> what do i want? just to look at and your at you and to be at your presence. as much as i can. >> this is too much. that's the brilliant louis schaefer. he's >> this is too much. that's the brilli on louis schaefer. he's >> this is too much. that's the brilli on here; schaefer. he's >> this is too much. that's the brilli on here on:haefer. he's >> this is too much. that's the brilli on here on:hae newsa's >> this is too much. that's the brilli on here on:hae news at back on here on gb news at 11:00. miss headliners. back on here on gb news at 11:01nana miss headliners. back on here on gb news at 11:01nana misthisadliners. back on here on gb news at 11:01nana misthisadlthe s. i'm nana akua. this is the gb news. online, news. we're live on tv, online, and on digital radio. coming up, we'll crossing live to israel and on digital radio. coming up, we hear crossing live to israel and on digital radio. coming up, wehear from sing live to israel and on digital radio. coming up, wehear from world ve to israel and on digital radio. coming up, we hear from world famous'ael to hear from world famous performer and mystifier uri geller the latest in israel. geller on the latest in israel. but next, this week's hot topic. my but next, this week's hot topic. my roundtable discussion as we

ask it's ever okay to smack ask if it's ever okay to smack your kids. this is.

gb news. hello. good afternoon. this is coming up to 22 minutes after 3:00. this is gb news on tv onune 3:00. this is gb news on tv online and on digital radio. and it's online and on digital radio. and wsfime online and on digital radio. and it's time for this week's hot topic and my roundtable discussion. and this week, a group of leading doctors have called for parents to be banned from smacking their kids because it apparently to violence it apparently leads to violence and problems later and mental health problems later on in life. currently, a loophole in england and northern ireland allows parents to smack their children if it can be counted reasonable counted as reasonable punishment. now counted as reasonable pl doctorznt. now counted as reasonable pl doctor renee now counted as reasonable pl doctor renee hoenderkamp now counted as reasonable pldoctor renee hoenderkamp .ow is doctor renee hoenderkamp. she's a gp and medical writer, and anna mae mangan, a writer and anna mae mangan, a writer and broadcaster. right. so i'm going to start with you. anime. yeah okay. what do you think about and the about this and what's the problem? because i, i have a young children. you've you've

had you've had children, you've got grandchildren. >> grandchildren. i >> six grandchildren. yeah. i think here 100 years think if you were here 100 years ago, be somebody in ago, there'd be somebody in renee arguing it's renee seat arguing that it's okay children up okay to send children up chimneys and coal mines. chimneys and down coal mines. >> moved on. >> we've moved on. >> we've moved on. >> we've moved on. >> i mean, it's a different world now, and there's evidence that conflate those two things, though, of course. >> mean, because now to me, >> i mean, because now to me, it's horrific, the that it's horrific, the idea that somebody smack and there's somebody would smack and there's no smack ometer that will tell you hard tap is . and if you how hard a tap is. and if people is the big people are, this is the big excuse people i only give excuse people use. i only give them little tap on the wrist them a little tap on the wrist or bottom, or how hard is or on the bottom, or how hard is a tap and if it is that soft, why bother doing it? as you would say to a child, use your words. know you don't have words. you know you don't have to smack them. >> you say that, let >> well, you say that, but let me see if like me just see what if like usually. so there's a sort of stage in the child's development when touch is their main source of understanding, there's no point conversation with point having a conversation with a two year old that's about to put their hands in a but put their hands in a flame, but how brutal smack a two year how brutal to smack a two year old? you might moving how brutal to smack a two year old hands you might moving how brutal to smack a two year old hands yotoflight moving how brutal to smack a two year old hands yotoflightwaymoving how brutal to smack a two year old hands yotoflightway with ng his hands out of the way with the know. the smack. i mean, you know. well, moving the

well, you're either moving the hand. way, same hand. well, either way, same thing smacking there. thing you're smacking there. either do either way, same. and what do youwhat's next then? >> what's the next stage then? so them the little tap. so you give them the little tap. >> hun so you give them the little tap. >> hurt at all. >> that doesn't hurt at all. what do do when they're what do you do then when they're still naughty? >> guarantee >> because i guarantee you they will >> because i guarantee you they wiliwell, to you >> well, you'd have to step. you have remind them once again have to remind them once again that shouldn't be doing that they shouldn't be doing that. that's bottom line. >> why go emm- m m the smack in >> why why go to the smack in the place then. the first place then. >> you're going to remind >> well, you're going to remind them they don't them anyway. well, they don't understand. so this is your own exactly shouldn't exactly why you shouldn't be raising two raising your hands. so a two year yourself. year old control yourself. >> a two year >> you're the adult, a two year old about to put their hand old is about to put their hand in the flame. old is about to put their hand in tyeah. me. old is about to put their hand in tyeah. oh, like that ever >> yeah. oh, like that ever happens. that that does happen, actually. what do you do? >> you intervene >> well, you you intervene before flame . before they got to the flame. >> maybe just >> well, maybe that's just happened mean, so happened just then. i mean, so if gets if you're failing parenting gets them flame, then them to the flame, you then get hold smack them. you hold of them and smack them. you don't you might don't smack them. you might happen, see that? happen, but you see that? >> not a smack. you >> that is not a smack. you might be. >> that's what we're >> well, that's what we're talking see, this talking about. you see, this is the is the the problem. this is the problem. the problem. the problem. this is the probleri. the problem. the problem. this is the probleri think the problem. the problem. this is the probleri think anime 3roblem. the problem. this is the probleri think anime haslem. renee. i think anime has highlighted very thing highlighted the very thing that tapping calls this a tap tapping she calls this a tap that would not be allowed with this legislation . that's the this legislation. that's the point. and that's the point we're who's defining

we're making. who's defining what? well, this is this is the legislation the problem . legislation that is the problem. >> it really the problem >> it really is the problem because going to define >> it really is the problem be(who's going to define >> it really is the problem be(who's going going to define >> it really is the problem be(who's going toing to define >> it really is the problem be(who's going to police define >> it really is the problem be(who's going to police it? ne it? who's going to police it? how are going know? are we how are we going to know? are we going neighbours to going to ask neighbours to actually parents? we're actually dob in parents? we're going 1984 again. my going back to 1984 again. my issue is this look, think issue is this look, i think there are different ways of raising children. >> different children. >> there are different children. i've two very different i've had two very different children, as know, we've children, as you know, we've spoken about them. >> my daughter at the moment does need smack . she's does not need a smack. she's very literal. >> she listens. i can reason with her. and you know, that's brilliant. >> so ideally i would never want to smack a child, i think, to take away parent's right to take away a parent's right to tap or a leg is actually tap a hand or a leg is actually ridiculous. the nanny state ridiculous. and the nanny state is just creeping into our lives once, once more. here >> i think more importantly, stopping parents from tapping, pushing whatever you want to call it is not going to stop those animals who abuse their children and punch them and break bones and end up killing them . them. >> but nobody makes a good point that you don't know how hard that you don't know how hard that smack is. so as an adult,

our hands, we think our hands, we might think it's a tap to tiny, tiny hand that is tap to a tiny, tiny hand that is a old and i think a big old hit. and i think that's the point. >> yeah, we have to trust parents to be reasonable and to actually be able to discipline their children in the way that they want . they want. >> please, we stop this? >> oh, please, can we stop this? can justifying smacking ? can we stop justifying smacking? okay, so say you disagree with nana. would you her nana. now would you give her a smack ? smack? >> w- w— e adult. i'm an adult. >> she's an adult. i'm an adult. >> she's an adult. i'm an adult. >> when is what's >> okay, so when is it? what's the to good to the good time is to good to smack child? because i think smack a child? because i think two too i think any two is too young. i think any age young. age is too young. >> verbal communication >> when verbal communication becomes when you can actually properly think properly smack a child, i think there a point when for my there comes a point when for my kids, i don't need to smack them at all. i wouldn't do that. my daughter's anyway. daughter's 15 anyway. she'd probably back. no. probably punch me back. but no. but i've been smacking but you know, i've been smacking her she would her earlier. maybe she would punch you back. >> her something. >> wouldn't >> no, she wouldn't do that, though, because she's. she's got respect. . but respect. she understands. but you can you haven't got she can understand or understand your child or somebody position , a somebody in your position, a parent. the parent. you've asked the question, i could answer question, so if i could answer one them and then, know, one of them and then, you know, instead jumping into the instead of you jumping into the middle instead of you jumping into the midd|is this. okay. in terms point is this. okay. so in terms of smacking my child, i don't need to. first all,

need to. now first of all, they're enough i can they're old enough and i can communicate. son he's six they're old enough and i can cjust|unicate. son he's six they're old enough and i can cjust there's�*. son he's six they're old enough and i can cjust there's just son he's six they're old enough and i can cjust there's just no son he's six they're old enough and i can cjust there's just no time he's six they're old enough and i can cjust there's just no time that six i just there's just no time that i just there's just no time that i would need. i can talk to him. i would need. i can talk to him. i can explain things to him. and he knows the boundaries, but he has boundaries i >> -- >> yeah, exam ham >> yeah, this is just fancy schmancy smatter chatter for justifying smacking. if your boss came in and told you that he wasn't happy with something you'd done, he smacked. >> he smacked you or your partner. >> just. we've just >> but we just. we've just established that not. no, we've just that once the just established that once the verbal is verbal communication, which is my once can my point there, once they can fully who don't fully understand who don't verbally, they fully well, verbally, when they fully well, when understand. when they fully understand. and you reason with you can actually reason with children. and at that point there need for there literally is no need for any of it. >> okay. so it's to smack >> okay. so it's okay to smack the you love most in all the person you love most in all the person you love most in all the world. >> i don't want some what your point because a child, point is, but because a child, they're and in they're a child and you're in charge you're charge of them and you're supposed be parent who's supposed to be the parent who's sane and sensible and controlled, i'm not saying i've got four kids, six grandchildren. >> i know they test you, i believe me, i know that, but it would be a massive fail. i would be embarrassed and devastated if

i actually slapped them. >> but but we're not talking about okay. so i think i think this is the point that was made earlier, that nobody's earlier, is that nobody's talking about knocking seven bells kids or, or bells out of the kids or, or beating definition. well, there is you but what is is really, you know, but what is it then? well, i mean, obviously you're not you're not trying to hurt child. trying hurt the child. you're trying to discipline. be discipline. so there might be times might discipline, times when you might discipline, but is, is but the point of this is, is again, the tap on the hand again, it's the tap on the hand that said perfectly fine again, it's the tap on the hand tino, said perfectly fine again, it's the tap on the hand tino, didaid perfectly fine again, it's the tap on the hand tino, didaid i perfectly fine again, it's the tap on the hand tino, didaid i thinkzctly fine again, it's the tap on the hand tino, didaid i think you fine again, it's the tap on the hand tino, didaid i think you did! . no, i did not. i think you did not say pushing not earlier say that pushing away, pushing hand away. away, pushing the hand away. >> said, that is not >> and i said, that is not smacking . smacking. >> e when you smacking. >> when you smack >> smacking is when you smack them hand. hand >> smacking is when you smack them is hand. hand >> smacking is when you smack them is not hand. hand >> smacking is when you smack them is not smacking.nd. hand >> smacking is when you smack them is not smacking. no,hand >> smacking is when you smack them is not smacking. no, nod >> smacking is when you smack them is not smacking. no, no. we away is not smacking. no, no. we talked about the tap and you did definitely that. talked about the tap and you did def no, ly that. talked about the tap and you did def no, ly definitely didn't. >> no, i definitely didn't. i think issue here that think the issue here is that this is not going to stop the parents are going to abuse their child. so for that reason alone , child. so for that reason alone, it is a pointless law. and who is going to police it and how are we going to police it? >> it's impossible. so once again, we're wasting police time effort jumping in to parenting. >> and actually, if parents could step up to the plate and

do a little bit more parenting , do a little bit more parenting, then we wouldn't have half of then we wouldn't have half of the problems that we have today. yeah, lazy. it's smacking yeah, it's lazy. it's smacking is parenting. and yeah, it's lazy. it's smacking is do parenting. and yeah, it's lazy. it's smacking is do you parenting. and yeah, it's lazy. it's smacking is do you stopenting. and yeah, it's lazy. it's smacking is do you stop ifting. and yeah, it's lazy. it's smacking is do you stop if you and yeah, it's lazy. it's smacking is do you stop if you smack how do you stop if you smack your child? how do you stop them smacking their sibling ? smacking their sibling? >> well, i don't go around smacking my parents smacking people. my parents smacked learned where smacking people. my parents smeboundaries learned where smacking people. my parents smeboundaries werezarned where smacking people. my parents smeboundaries were .|rned where smacking people. my parents smeboundaries were .|rne(you ere the boundaries were. did you smack children smack my children? my children don't. people. don't. don't smack other people. they the boundaries. they learned the boundaries. so those were those types of snacks were disciplinary warning taps, disciplinary or warning taps, but them were to but none of them were there to deliberately or affect the deliberately hurt or affect the boundaries, though. no, i think you're the no you're confusing the back. no no, no, i think you're confusing. >> okay, you're a child, then confusing. >haveay, you're a child, then confusing. >have a, you're a child, then confusing. >have a copy,u're a child, then confusing. >have a copy, you a child, then confusing. >have a copy, you know. i, then i have a copy, you know. >> no, they're not, though, because learned the because they have learned the boundanes boundaries i'm teaching them boundaries can boundaries when they can no longer couldn't longer when they couldn't communicate with communicate verbally with me. yeah. understand that then. >> because they can't , i >> because if they can't, i don't think it's shockingly they're know they're definitely i don't know i it's shocking at all. >> i think it's perfectly reasonable. and this reasonable. and parents do this all and children, all the time. and the children, well, there's few and far well, there's very few and far between. think the between. some parents think the belts well belts and brushes and oh well that's but that's not acceptable. but no. so acceptable . so that's not acceptable. >> you this rule, the nspcc >> you see this rule, the nspcc say, is it them i can't

remember. somebody says legally that if you leave a mark or a bruise, you've gone too far. i mean, really , so you have to you mean, really, so you have to you have to judge i think you have to judge it. i think you i think mark. >> depends . look, the >> well, it depends. look, the intentions here are to discipline. they're discipline. be gentle. they're not so for those not meant to hurt. so for those who that, that's who are doing that, that that's perfectly understandable. i think normal parenting. think it's normal parenting. there's nothing wrong with it. just them on the naughty just put them on the naughty step them. step without smacking them. well, can well, it depends if they can understand the naughty step understand what the naughty step is they become come is as soon as they become come to where can to a point where they can understand then you understand that, then you can progress you they progress to that. you think they understand are different, understand there are different, but not not well. they might understand the tap on the hand or hand out the or a move your hand out of the way. >> i don't accept the definition. definition a tap definition. definition of a tap on well, that's the smack. >> that's problem m-l >> that's the problem with it is delivered that is the delivered by who? that is the problem. problem. problem. that is the problem. that whole problem. that is the whole problem. the fact that you are saying that a tap now not tap on the hand is now not a smack, it a smack it's smack, is it a smack or it's not? is the same thing you not? is it the same thing you said pushing their hand away, pushing hand tap pushing their hand away? a tap on the hand? >> there are different things. >> pushing hand different. >> depends. them. >> it depends. smacking them. that's not true. you're that's not think most not true. and i think most parents that. parents would understand that. >> did by that making >> what you did by that making that this that differential, you see this

is the thing well. is the thing as well. >> are expected feel >> parents are expected to feel ashamed using ashamed of themselves for using natural when natural ways to discipline. when a communication is not a verbal communication is not not available, we are disempowering. absolutely every step at every turn. >> and this why parents are >> and this is why parents are too terrified to actually take the that need to. the action that they need to. >> need boundaries. >> children need boundaries. >> children need boundaries. >> need clear boundaries >> they need clear boundaries that loved . that make them feel loved. actually, a boundary makes a child loved. children that child feel loved. children that don't have boundaries are floundering of floundering around all of the psychological evidence shows that because they think nobody cares them to cares enough about them to actually put down any boundaries. my point comes back all of the time that it's a nonsense law, because it will not stop people abusing children, which wrong. children, which is wrong. >> you asked how we'd know that they do it. >> i would actually ask them. i would nursery, in in would ask them in nursery, in in school. anyone smack them? school. does anyone smack them? >> step the >> so you'd step into the parents again? parents home again? >> unrwa irresponsible, potentially parents. potentially violent parents. >> all of them. it's just such a stretch. see, this is this stretch. you see, this is this emotional manipulation of language to make parents feel guilty for trying to do their best. this is what we get all the time. do your best. yes,

what i say. yet irony is a what i say. yet the irony is a paedophile still remains paedophile is still remains retains parental well, retains parental rights. well, this isn't it? this is for a child, isn't it? so point of this is, is that so the point of this is, is that perhaps government perhaps if the government focus on laws they on laws, actual laws that they can, protect can, where they can protect children rather than whole children rather than the whole lessons? with that. it's lessons? i agree with that. it's all about safety rather than lessons will be learned every time, think lessons will be learned every time, enough think lessons will be learned every time, enough lesson. think lessons will be learned every time, enough lesson. reallyink lessons will be learned every time, enough lesson. really good good enough lesson. really good talking anna mangan, talking to you. anna mangan, writer and also writer and broadcaster and also doctor renee hoenderkamp. thank you very much. really good. interesting . what do interesting discussion. what do you gb views. oh no, you think? gb views. oh no, no, it's news. com forward it's a gb news. com forward slash your say i'm nana akua. this is a gb news. we're live on tv, online and on digital radio. coming up , my tv, online and on digital radio. coming up, my monologue on meghan but first it's meghan markle. but first it's your latest news headlines with cameron walker . cameron walker. >> it's 332. i'm cameron walker in the gb newsroom. a police apology has been welcomed by the government, but the home office says being jewish should never be seen as provocative. it's after a metropolitan police officer stopped campaign against

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good afternoon. if you just tuned in. welcome on board. it's just coming up to 38 minutes after 3:00. i'm nana akua. we're live on tv, online and on digital radio. now, us officials have reported that israeli missiles struck iran. the attacks reportedly hit an area home to large an air base, a major missile production complex and several and several nuclear facilities. although the location of the strikes have not been fully confirmed, and local sources are suggesting that three explosions were heard near the isfahan air base. i'm wondering, though, have israel confirmed that it was actually them? let's go live to tel aviv now and speak to performer and mr fire uri geller for the latest. on the ground uri good to see you. thank you so look, nana, as you know, israel retaliated against iran . retaliated against iran. >> missiles hit deep, deep inside iran in the very early morning of friday morning .

morning of friday morning. everybody, everybody was surprised . surprised. >> it was like almost a surprise. now do you remember nana last week? >> i told you that israel had the power to knock iran out with a weapon called an emp, an electromagnetic pulse, which would have sent iran back to the stone age . stone age. >> but people are asking, why did israel do something so small in the end? >> well, let me tell you why. this was actually very clever. first of all, as far as we know, nobody got hurt. israel does not want to hurt iranians. secondly, and this is what you want to know what israel did? was it destroyed a key air defence radar site , a radar site that radar site, a radar site that was the radar, but that is used

to protect iran's nuclear facility at natanz. this is unbelievable. nobody knows this. we knocked the radar system out. now let me go on. do you remember nana? i showed you this a few times on your show. now, i've been warning about iran's nuclear, you know, program for decades. decade as i have said it on your show again and again. now, this sense, this attack sends a clear message to the mullahs next time it won't be missiles that israel fires. but 3500 pound laser guided bunker busting bombs, which will cut rise their precious nuclear sites. and do you know what else ordinary iranians are secretly celebrating? did you know this?

nana? they're celebrating israel's attack. they are posting in farsi. that is the iranian language on all the social media. they're cheering this site nana. listen, they hate their regime. they want it gone. they want to live in peace with israel. that is the truth. and by the way, nana, last week you said you said that that you did not know if the regime actually wanted to destroy israel. well, let me tell you , israel. well, let me tell you, they say it all the time, every day. its leader, ayatollah khamenei, tweets and he tweeted, you can check it out. israel is a malignant, cancerous tumour that has to be eliminated. these are his words . now let me go on are his words. now let me go on something unbelievable . let me something unbelievable. let me take this photo. let me show you something totally shocking. look at this . nana. this is the

at this. nana. this is the remains of one of those missiles which actually landed in the dead sea. please look at the size of it. it is as big as a bus. iran fired 150 of these missiles. these travel faster than the speed of sound. and they can destroy whole buildings. and what you see nana here and your viewers is only 70% of the actual size of this missile because it is missing its warhead, which was actually which exploded. wow. i mean, this is unbelievable . but look, this is unbelievable. but look, nana, i always try to end on a positive note. so nana in a couple of days , just a couple of couple of days, just a couple of days time, jewish people around the world will celebrate the festival of passover for jews, passover represents the concept of freedom. so i hope and i hope you pray with me that everyone

will soon live in a free world. the hostages in gaza free the palestinian is free from the terrorist rule of hamas , and the terrorist rule of hamas, and the iranian people will free free themselves from this terrible regime. so i send you love to all your viewers, all gb viewers and positive energy from the holy land . holy land. >> thank you uri. and of course those are your thoughts as a resource. that's what he sees. and those are your thoughts from him. uri that was uri him. thank you. uri that was uri geller giving view geller giving you his view on the conflict that's happening in israel. what do you think? gb get in touch. gbnews.com/yoursay i'm nana akua this is gp news next. adam bradford will be in the political hot seat to shine a light on

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that's okay. you just missed 46 minutes. but it's all good. it's just coming up to 47 minutes after i'm nana. akua. this after 3:00. i'm nana. akua. this is gb news. we are the people's channel. we're live on tv, onune channel. we're live on tv, online on digital radio. online and on digital radio. it's now for this week's it's time now for this week's political spotlight. and rwanda has headlines this has dominated the headlines this week as the government's bill once again opposition from once again faced opposition from the house of lords. but is rwanda really safe? people keep saying how it isn't, but figures show that it has a crime index below that of us here in the uk and with britain having higher knife crime and kigali being named one of the safest cities in africa, have we really got right to be saying that it's unsafe? joining me shine unsafe? joining me to shine a light adam bradford, light is adam bradford, a rwandan resident. adam thank you so much forjoining me. listen, we keep getting this ping pong. they call it ping pong now because does and because it does go back and forth. i the united forth. i think the united kingdom little bit kingdom is looking a little bit embarrassing, with the way we appear to have castigated rwanda. from your rwanda. so from from your perspective, you live there. what's like ? what's it like? >> well, nana, thank you for having me. and i'm glad that, gb

news can see another side of this debate, i think from where i'm sitting . rwanda is i'm sitting. rwanda is completely safe, this is a country that has a history of rebuilding itself, of coming back from the terrible events that happened 30 years ago, and like you said, kigali is one of the safest cities in the whole of africa. you know, you can walk along the streets at night. there's no issues , it's very there's no issues, it's very secure, and this country also has a history of taking in migrants. so a libyan refugees, thousands of them have been made new here, to be honest, new lives here, to be honest, the country is just sitting and waiting for those planes to come. and to be quite honest, it's just a complete farce of our political system, and we are a bit of a laughing stock because we've spent two years waiting , doing absolutely waiting, doing absolutely nothing, so from where i'm sitting, it's very safe. i live here, i work here, it's one of the friendliest and warmest countries i've ever been to, i

don't understand where the criticism is coming from. >> your skin looks fabulous, by the way. it must be all that lovely, humid, warm air. you lucky man. honestly, i don't know why are complaining know why people are complaining about , but the reason about rwanda, but the reason why it didn't come. you it all sort of didn't come. you know there was a ping pong? know why there was a ping pong? because lords refused to because the lords refused to budge of afghans budge over the rights of afghans and treatment and scrutiny over the treatment of in in east africa, of refugees in in east africa, in rwanda. so where, you know, where is this all coming from? is it really that bad a refugees treated badly to your knowledge ? treated badly to your knowledge? >> no, i don't think so. i think unfortunately, what we're deaung unfortunately, what we're dealing with is probably hundreds of people in our house of lords. i'd love to do a poll and see how many of them have actually been here, or know anything here, probably actually been here, or know anythati here, probably actually been here, or know anythat many here, probably actually been here, or know anythat many ,here, probably actually been here, or know anythat many , but, probably actually been here, or know anythat many , but if)robably actually been here, or know anythat many , but if yourbly actually been here, or know anythat many , but if you look not that many, but if you look at the journeys that these refugees on, cross refugees go on, they cross thousands of miles. they even take coming across take the risk of coming across in the boats to the uk. you know, i thought we were humane and compassionate country who wanted and wanted to support people and make sure that we played our

part in the world. and i think rwanda is doing that. it's doing this from a humanitarian point of view , putting these people of view, putting these people into they're into accommodation, they're supporting them with training. they're also looking to help them get into work. if they want to live and work here, surely that's better than being put in a tent or going on a boat? >> well, you'd think, wouldn't you? but i what they're you? but i think what they're after of the benefits as you? but i think what they're after because of the benefits as you? but i think what they're after because yome benefits as you? but i think what they're after because you come efits as you? but i think what they're after because you come tots as you? but i think what they're after because you come to this well, because you come to this country and even pay for country and we'll even pay for your if you've your legal appeals. if you've come you decide come here and you decide that you to stay for you really need to stay here for some don't know some odd reason, i don't know why doing but why they're doing that. but look, figures here look, i've got some figures here that terms of that show that in terms of worries things, things worries about things, things being this is how rwanda being stolen, this is how rwanda compares to the united kingdom, there's a moderate worry in this country. it's a high worry, worries about your car being stolen. very, very low in rwanda. in this country, it's moderate. so worries about being attacked in rwanda. i think it was some data here, 38% were concerned , in with regard to the concerned, in with regard to the united kingdom, 44. so literally in every comparison, even

because of your skin colour, ethnic origin, gender or religion , the concern was very religion, the concern was very low 16. whereas in this country 33. so every almost every statistic sukh worrying about violent crime and assault and armed robbery in rwanda. again, it's very low. and in this country there's a moderate risk . country there's a moderate risk. it seems that. what do you think is motivating , this this notion is motivating, this this notion that rwanda is unsafe ? that rwanda is unsafe? >> well, i think if you look at africa as a whole, there's always a stigma towards it from people in the west, unfortunately, usually people who not been here and, you who have not been here and, you know, look at look at our history. if you want to look at other countries history. we colonised places, colonised so many places, especially across africa, not here in rwanda , but every here in rwanda, but every country in this continent has had to deal with issues in the past. and i don't know, i think there's like a superiority game being played , maybe where the being played, maybe where the united kingdom were better than anybody else . i don't think so.

anybody else. i don't think so. i mean, like you said, on all the comparison points, rwanda is safer, cleaner , more secure. safer, cleaner, more secure. it's somewhere that's progressive . you know, they've progressive. you know, they've had to be progressive, to get away from the horrible history that happened to them. all those years ago. and i think actually the behaviour of some of our politicians and some of the comments, are completely unfair. and i think rwanda has unfortunately become , a little unfortunately become, a little bit of a consequence of this political football. and i just wish our parliament would get on with it and get something done for once . for once. >> it's just absurd. you know, you can imagine us watching it and seeing it and we're like, oh, for goodness sake , it feels oh, for goodness sake, it feels like i don't know whether there's an element of racism in there's an element of racism in there as but think the there as well. but i think the superiority of it where superiority aspect of it where we think because this is a supposedly civilised country , supposedly civilised country, that we're better than rwanda. but i would , i just don't really but i would, i just don't really understand it. so what do you do in rwanda then? and, and why are you there, i have a business

here. so we're working in the environment sector. we also do a lot of, other development work with young people , so we're with young people, so we're a social enterprise. i suppose you could say , and i've been here could say, and i've been here and uprooted here for two years, and uprooted here for two years, and i don't think i would ever go back. i know that sounds kind of strange to say. i love the uk . it's where my family is. it's where i'm from. but there's so much opportunity here and so much opportunity here and so much positivity. you know , when much positivity. you know, when i switch on the news here, they're not saying, oh my goodness, politician has goodness, this politician has gone and spent money gone and spent this money or sent these lewd text messages out to people. and we don't have any of that nonsense, which i think has taken over from where the uk should be focusing on making its lives better for people who live there. and i don't know where that went, but everything i see in here, here is all about developing, creating jobs, making the economy better, and i'm proud to play economy better, and i'm proud to play a part of that through what i do here, and that's why i'm

passionate about the place, nothing else, it's just a secure and safe place to be and also a great place if people want to take a holiday, obviously. of course , i'm thinking about it actually. >> now, you said, and i presume you could probably get a doctor's appointment and a dentist appointment pretty sharpish as well. exactly. listen, it's been really good to talk to you. thank you so much, adam, for giving us your perspective on rwanda, because every time we it, it's every time we hear it, it's somebody to it down somebody trying to pull it down and out that this country and make out that this country is far better or far is far more better or far better, not. so sure better, which i'm not. so sure it listen, coming up, it is. but listen, coming up, i'll by my amazing i'll be joined by my amazing panel i'll be joined by my amazing panel, broadcaster and columnist lizzie cundy, and also former labour party adviser matthew laza next up, my monologue on some very royal jam. but now let's get an update with your weather from ellie. >> looks like things are heating up. boxt boilers sponsors of weather on gb news. >> good afternoon and welcome to

your latest gb news weather from the met office. so high pressure does continue to dominate, but it will feeling a little it will be feeling a little chillier some eastern chillier along some eastern coast. of high pressure coast. the area of high pressure situated does situated across the uk does bnng situated across the uk does bring a bit of a northeasterly breeze, some chillier breeze, so some chillier conditions , but plenty of dry conditions, but plenty of dry weather due that area weather around due to that area of pressure . so some late of high pressure. so some late afternoon evening sunshine of high pressure. so some late afternoonof evening sunshine of high pressure. so some late afternoonof us. evening sunshine of high pressure. so some late afternoonof us. however, nshine of high pressure. so some late afternoonof us. however, some; for some of us. however, some thicker cloud across parts of scotland some scotland will bring some outbreaks of patchy rain, particularly northern parts outbreaks of patchy rain, pascotland, northern parts outbreaks of patchy rain, pa scotland, slowly hern parts outbreaks of patchy rain, pa scotland, slowly sinkingrts outbreaks of patchy rain, pa scotland, slowly sinking its of scotland, slowly sinking its way southwards into the early hours south hours of the morning. south eastern parts of england, northern ireland and western parts holding onto parts of scotland, holding onto those clear and turning those clear skies and turning quite however, those clear skies and turning quite frost however, those clear skies and turning quite frost free owever, those clear skies and turning quite frost free under, those clear skies and turning quite frost free under that remaining frost free under that cloud and patchy rain. so for eastern parts of scotland, a bit of a cloudy and grey and damp start the day on sunday. start to the day on sunday. however, parts of however, southeastern parts of england, northern ireland and western parts of scotland seeing the best of the sunshine through the best of the sunshine through the morning , the best of the sunshine through the morning, perhaps 1 or 2 showers bubbling across showers bubbling up across southeastern parts of england through afternoon, it through the afternoon, but it should for most should be staying dry for most places. that band of places. however, that band of patchy continues to patchy rain slowly continues to sink and

sink its way southwards and feeling quite chilly under that cloud and rain too. however, in the feeling very the sunshine feeling very pleasant. of 1415, maybe pleasant. highs of 1415, maybe 16 degrees across the south. monday start a bit of a monday does start a bit of a grey day for most of us. outbreaks of rain continue to slowly push their way southwards, but south eastern parts probably parts of england probably holding on to that sunshine and feeling quite pleasant in that sunshine to maybe 1 or 2 showers around or wednesday, around on tuesday or wednesday, but will be slowly but temperatures will be slowly recovering for recovering closer to average for the year . the time of year. >> that warm feeling inside from boxt boilers sponsors of weather on . gb news. on. gb news. >> you're watching and listening to tv news on tv, online and on digital radio. more to come in the next hour, including my thoughts on meghan markle's latest jammy

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the palace walls. but first, let's get your latest news headunes. headlines. >> thanks, nana. good afternoon. it's 4:01. i'm sophia wenzler in the gb newsroom . your top story the gb newsroom. your top story this hour. a police apology has been welcomed by the government, but the home office says being jewish should never be seen as provocative. it's after a metropolitan police officer stopped campaigning against anti—semitism. chief executive gideon falter from crossing a road near a pro—palestinian march, saying he's quite openly jewish. the home office, which says the comment is unacceptable, has written to the police commissioner and mayor of london. a spokesperson for sadiq khan described the met's handung khan described the met's handling of the incident as concerning today , pro—israel concerning today, pro—israel demonstrators are holding a peaceful counter protest in central london called enough is enough. central london called enough is enough . the group says hatred enough. the group says hatred has no place on the streets of the capital. >> can't walk through central

london with a yarmulke on your head , no signs of any israeli head, no signs of any israeli flag support israel , or flag or support for israel, or any views on on what may be going on in the middle east. but if you're not allowed to walk across street in central across the street in central london because you are openly jewish, for the jewish, then it's time for the government to act. >> it'sjust government to act. >> it's just sad that it's that it has come to this, that it's now regarded as not completely safe for jewish people to walk in the streets of their own own own city. and not only is it distressing and vile, as their views are the distressing thing, it's also becoming becoming normalised . normalised. >> meanwhile, pro—palestinian protesters have been marching in sheffield demanding a ceasefire in gaza . they're accusing israel in gaza. they're accusing israel of using famine as a weapon of war, and criticised the government for continuing to arm the country . the palestine the country. the palestine solidarity campaign also took aim at barclays bank, urging it to sever ties with companies which supply weapons and military equipment to israel . military equipment to israel. musicians, politicians and campaigners are rallying in

glasgow calling for another independence referendum . believe independence referendum. believe independence referendum. believe in scotland and pensioners for independence marched from kelvin way to george square to hear from speakers including first minister humza yousaf. there were mixed feelings in the city, with a counter—protest calling for the country to remain in the united kingdom. >> it's our country , we want it >> it's our country, we want it back. thank you very much. >> we've been we've been a colony for over 300 years. >> we get nothing back. >> we get nothing back. >> everything's taken from us and goes goes south to object against the a&e march still going ahead because they haven't accepted our our vote in 2014. >> i think it's about ridiculous. if i'm honest, so that's why i'm here. but i'm not really here for manana . really here for manana. >> so in other news, three men who died in a car crash near a retail park in north west london have been named by police. mohamed zidan, mohammed ghazi and sohail zulfi died when their

car went through a car park fence and hit a footbridge. it happened last weekend and the men , who were in their early men, who were in their early 20s, were pronounced dead at the scene. two other passengers were injured, but say their injured, but police say their condition is not life threatening. investigations into the of the crash continue . the cause of the crash continue. parents and their children have staged a demonstration in belfast over rising childcare costs. more than a thousand people carrying balloons, placards and prams took part, calling for immediate support. unlike england, there is no scheme offering free childcare in northern ireland, but some tax credits are available. stormont politicians want to prioritise childcare, but a new strategy could cost £400 million a year. they requested face to face talks with the prime minister, rishi sunak, to ask for more funding and a two minute silence has been held, honounng minute silence has been held, honouring the englishmen and women who died serving the

nafion nation. hundreds of army and naval cadets took part in a march past the cenotaph in central london, marking 130 years of the royal society of saint george. some members of the public were there to celebrate the day. well we're big military people, so it means a lot to come down and celebrate and be part of it all, really. >> it's obviously the patron saint our country and saint of our country and obviously the old brigade and it means something to me. >> we're english, he's a painters out of england, so we've got a market. scotland do it. wales do it. we've got to do it. wales do it. we've got to do it as well, and we've got to do it as well, and we've got to do it bigger and better. >> and for the latest story, sign up gb news alerts by sign up to gb news alerts by scanning qr code your scanning the qr code on your screen to gb news. com screen or go to gb news. com slash alerts. now it's back to .

nana. >> good afternoon. it's fast approaching six minutes after 4:00. this is a gb news. i'm nana akua. we're live on tv, onune nana akua. we're live on tv, online and on digital radio. how can you get something so badly wrong? meghan markle and the battle of the jams. of all the products you could choose to launch, why pick jam? why indeed ? meghan markle has launched this as her first offering on her new website, american riviera orchard or arrow? i like to call it another ridiculous offering. why jon rahm i hear you cry? possibly to rival king charles and his jam? no, she wouldn't do that. of course she would. she sent her new jam to 50 friends and influencers. i don't think she's got 50 friends along with a bag of lemons. oh the irony. apparently the fruit used in her jam is home grown used in herjam is home grown montecito abode . unlike the montecito abode. unlike the king's organic strawberry

preserve, which is brought in from elsewhere. oh, that's great, meghan , remind me to great, meghan, remind me to purchase a jar of your ever so sweet, sickly product . i hate sweet, sickly product. i hate jam after i sweet, sickly product. i hate jam afteri licked sweet, sickly product. i hate jam after i licked one of my dolls that had a bit of jam on it in the shed, the doll had beenin it in the shed, the doll had been in the shed for over a yeah been in the shed for over a year. i was violently sick. seriously, when will this woman year. i was violently sick. sericup.y, when will this woman year. i was violently sick. seric up on vhen will this woman year. i was violently sick. seric up on what will this woman year. i was violently sick. sericup on what looksiis woman year. i was violently sick. seric up on what looks like oman give up on what looks like a vendetta against the royals ? vendetta against the royals? what did they honestly do to her? and how did to deserve such constant vitriol? time out meghan in my view, she misjudged the british public who absolutely loved her at the start. she misjudged how she was perceived by going on oprah whilst prince philip was dying, which i presume they would have known. she misjudged the power and love the world have for the monarchy, and now she's totally misjudged this. launching a website in the midst of an illness cancer crisis in the royal family. and whilst using the royal brand for financial gain. none of this she and harry actually had to do if they'd

been a little bit smarter, more patient and bided their time, they could have done all this. and with the family's backing and with the world in tow, and of course this was done. all this has done is boost the sales of the king's jam. sales have skyrocketed since the launch of her jam, and skyrocketed since the launch of herjam, and his was sold out within six days. and whilst the proceeds for the sales of charles's jam proceeds for the sales of charles'sjam go proceeds for the sales of charles's jam go to charity, meghan's go in her pocket. this is a mess, meghan . a sticky, is a mess, meghan. a sticky, icky mess. just like your jam . icky mess. just like your jam. what a way to live. whoever's advising you, meghan , fire them . advising you, meghan, fire them. but before we get stuck into the debates, here's what else is coming up today for the great british debate this hour. i'm asking, should benefits be axed after a year dole? rishi after a year on the dole? rishi sunak seems to think so. he announced this yesterday that jobless brits will have their

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former labour adviser matthew le le. hello and also broadcast from columnist lizzie cundy. well i'm going to start with lizzie cundy obviously because she's she knows you've met meghan before. you chaperoned her. >> yes. i was to look >> yes. i was asked to look after her. bet she regrets after her. i bet she regrets that now . lizzie look. comparing that now. lizzie look. comparing king charles's jam next to meghan's jam, it's like comparing a ferrari next to a go kart. i mean, there is no comparison. look i'm afraid meghan is showing herself for what she is. she's self—absorbed , self—indulgent, and this is nothing but a vanity project to make herself look important or try to, you know, kind of relaunch herself. but frankly , relaunch herself. but frankly, she's got jam all over her face. and i think actually she's toast in every sense because everything she does seems to flop like one of my aunt bessie's , you know, yorkshire puddings. >> i don't know what you're gonna say there. it never. >> she's got to realise, that

everything she does is not working. and i'm afraid . what, working. and i'm afraid. what, she doesn't realise she doesn't read the room. i think at the moment it's very insensitive what she's doing, king charles is fighting for his life with cancen is fighting for his life with cancer. so is. is kate . and she cancer. so is. is kate. and she misses what royalty is actually about. misses what royalty is actually about . it's not about making about. it's not about making money. it's not about filling your boots . it's actually what your boots. it's actually what our late majesty said. it's about duty . and frankly, meghan about duty. and frankly, meghan hasn't got a clue. and i'm afraid this with everyone buying king charles's jam shows people are going against her and have had enough. well, let's see, i don't care if she tries to make a living for herself. >> that's the right >> i think that's the right thing do. but i kind of find thing to do. but i kind of find i extremely irritating i find it extremely irritating that use the that they continue to use the royal sell these royal brand to sell these products. this is this products. i mean, this is this is yeah. >> i mean, is something >> i mean, there is something deliciously about this >> i mean, there is something deli> i mean, there is something deli> i mean, there is something deli> i mean, there is something deli> i mean, there is something deli> i mean, there is something deli> more seriously, you say, >> but more seriously, you say, absolutely she doesn't read room. >> tone deaf $— room. >> tone deaf is this? >> how tone deaf is this? because jam incredibly because this jam is incredibly expensive when she's always talking poverty.

expensive when she's always taliexcuse poverty. expensive when she's always taliexcuse me?overty. expensive when she's always taliexcuse me? she's. expensive when she's always taliexcuse me? she's always >> excuse me? she's always talking about, you know, they go and pictures of them at and post pictures of them at food now in the states. food banks now in the states. >> they to that here and >> they used to do that here and yet is flogging this yet there she is flogging this jam, of dollars pot. >> and as you say, with the proceeds going to her and not going to charity. >> so i think a huge >> so i think there's a huge kind rather unpleasant irony kind of rather unpleasant irony there kind of rather unpleasant irony the it kind of rather unpleasant irony thei think kind of rather unpleasant irony the i think the kind of rather unpleasant irony thei think the brand is just so >> i think the brand is just so naff, it ? it's just it's naff, isn't it? it's just it's just just grim. just it's just so grim. >> are you type >> and are you going to type that in american riviera or how long it going to be long is it going to be a mouthful? >> w- w— >> and even the labels are already cut off. >> and it with a bag of >> and she sent it with a bag of lemons when lemons and lemon is like when you it's like the you buy the lemon, it's like the dud, it's just. dud, isn't it? it's just. >> she's literally giving >> yeah, she's literally giving them i mean, don't them lemon. i mean, what i don't understand and lemon is, understand is me and lemon is, well, wearing you look well, you're wearing you look great. well she is i feel sorry for them because they're not. this not a sustainable career this is not a sustainable career for an actress. for them. she was an actress. she used to . if that's her, you she used to. if that's her, you know, thing to know, and it's a great thing to be in there. but you be an actress in there. but you know, she should least know, she she should at least there's something could, she there's something she could, she could give them, could do which would give them, you got 40, you know, they've got 40, 50 years public life you know, they've got 40, 50 years of public life you know, they've got 40, 50 years of them public life you know, they've got 40, 50 years of them ,public life you know, they've got 40, 50 years of them , justic life you know, they've got 40, 50 years of them , just flogging ahead of them, just flogging overpriced she not

overpriced jam. she is not desperate, going it. desperate, not going to do it. >> she desperate to be the >> she is so desperate to be the next paltrow or the next next gwyneth paltrow or the next martha mean, see martha stewart. i mean, you see this on the website with her and a ball in a courtyard , a cook. >> i mean, this is the thing martha stewart, she used to cook for, you know, she said she met, you you had her you know, and, you know, had her date harry over date with prince harry over roasting a chicken. >> mean, come on, please. >> i mean, come on, please. i think it's all pipe dreams. and we're not interested. meghan, please stop it now. do something . you absolutely focus. do your charity work. but please . this. charity work. but please. this. this is a joke. and frankly, i think it's really insensitive. >> i think she's sort of envisaged herself like some sort of mother teresa type character that's floating as she's walking and the winds through her hair and the winds through her hair and some gems. i bring some jam and some gems. i bring some jam and i bring some love, and i bring. listen, go and see your dad. >> unlike you, i like jam. but i won't be buying your dad if you're that, you know, like you could take him some jam. take him some jam, some jam, some scones your dad, you scones and see your dad, you know, it we see know, like, make it up. we see no scones. wonder if she can no scones. i wonder if she can

make scones. >> nancy music in >> this nancy wilson music in the it's like mad the background. it's like mad fantasy. and she needs fantasy. it is. and she needs someone to tell her to stop it. she's in a movie. she won't listen. it's all about me, me, me, me. and going so me, me. and it's going so terribly wrong. i mean, even. yeah, even over the pond. >> if a supporter of >> even if you're a supporter of her, know, this her, which, you know, this scattergun doing scattergun approach of doing a little . so it's a little bit of this. so it's a bit podcast day, the bit podcast one day, jam the next day. it's none of it. yeah, absolutely. none of it knits together . it doesn't create a together. it doesn't create a kind of purpose or even a narrative for her. so it's just the kind of disaster. it's so easy to mock. >> and as said, it's not >> and as i said, it's not relatable lives. relatable to people's lives. i mean, harry doing mean, there's harry doing a netflix on polo. >> oh, i know, you know, that's genius. >> absolute genius. well, his brother goes to aston villa. >> oh, well, just just it's just i don't know. look, i and i know people say oh well leave them alone. don't talk about it. but you see we, i feel every now and again to have a look at what they're and this one just they're doing. and this one just came yesterday obviously came to me yesterday obviously because the jam. came to me yesterday obviously becaurivalling the jam. came to me yesterday obviously becaurivalling the the jam. came to me yesterday obviously becaurivalling the kings the jam.

came to me yesterday obviously becaurivalling the kings jam. am. she's rivalling the kings jam. why does she think that anyone's going to buy her jam? i'm not going to buy herjam? i'm not interested jam. i hate interested in herjam. i hate jam, going to buy the interested in herjam. i hate jam, jam. going to buy the kings jam. >> do like jam? >> do you like jam? >> do you like jam? >> oh, especially the kings highgrove. raspberry. >> oh, especially the kings highgrove because 'ry. >> oh, especially the kings highgrove because you're >> that's because you're posh. do gonna ask you do you play? i was gonna ask you if polo, but that's it. if you play polo, but that's it. >> fair enough. >> i mean, look, fair enough. and i said earlier, it is and as i said earlier, it is fair enough. she's trying to find a way of making a living. but on the back of the royal family it's very clear. and they and they kind of through their sort of. i don't want that through their toys out the pram for this. >> sorry . what they've done for this. >>the sorry . what they've done for this. >>the royal . what they've done for this. >>the royal family they've done for this. >>the royal family isiey've done to the royal family is despicable. they've despicable. the lies they've told and all the interviews saying there alleged racist. saying there was alleged racist. let queen die let our beloved queen die thinking sorry. think let our beloved queen die thintitles sorry. think let our beloved queen die thintitles should sorry. think let our beloved queen die thintitles should berry. think let our beloved queen die thintitles should be taken hink let our beloved queen die thintitles should be taken away, the titles should be taken away, he's lost his court case recently about protection. just go on. you've got more than anyone could ever away. just go away. you wanted privacy ? away. you wanted privacy? >> then have it away. now. he's moving his main residence to the states. then i think that is time let titles go. time to let the titles go. >> away. you know, like >> yeah. go away. you know, like trump kick trump gets in, he'll kick him out. but you trump gets in, he'll kick him out. like but you trump gets in, he'll kick him out. like nobody,but you trump gets in, he'll kick him

out. like nobody, nobody wants know, like nobody, nobody wants anything to happen. then we anything bad to happen. then we want them. we wish them the best. simply try and best. but simply don't try and flog dodgy jam. based on flog us some dodgy jam. based on the . you know, the royal family. you know, you're the sussex royal or you're using the sussex royal or whatever they're using now. it's just fair . whatever they're using now. it's just fair. it's just not just not fair. it's just not right. but what think. right. but that's what i think. what think? gb views no what do you think? gb views no gb gbnews.com/yoursay what do you think? gb views no gb gbnof s.com/yoursay what do you think? gb views no gb gbnof ..com/yoursay what do you think? gb views no gb gbnof . i'll1/yoursay what do you think? gb views no gb gbnof . i'll getursay what do you think? gb views no gb gbnof . i'll get that' going to sort of. i'll get that right. this is gb news. i'm nana akua. we're live on tv, online and on digital radio. coming up, my royal roundup, angela levin will be live here in the studio to give us the latest from behind but behind the palace walls. but next, the great next, it's time for the great british debate this hour. and i'm asking, benefits be i'm asking, should benefits be axed year on the dole? axed after a year on the dole? i've got a poll up right now asking you very question on asking you that very question on x. be axed after x. should benefits be axed after a on the dole? go to a year on the dole? go to gbnews.com/yoursay tell me what you think. cast your vote now

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after 4:00. i'm nana akua. this is gb news. if you're just tuned in. welcome. it's time now for the great british debate this houn the great british debate this hour. and i'm asking, should benefits be axed after a year on the dole? reports suggest the dole? now, reports suggest that over 420,000 people will be asked look for work, as rishi asked to look for work, as rishi sunak announced yesterday that jobless brits will have their benefits cancelled if they fail to find work within a year. now the prime minister also said the changes proposed are to prevent people staying benefits as a people staying on benefits as a lifestyle . rishi sunaks lifestyle choice. rishi sunaks comments have caused a backlash from campaign groups, from various campaign groups, but he said it was fair to expect people who can work to get a job. i don't think there's anything wrong with what you're saying, and he wants to emphasise to can emphasise that going to work can actually improve your mental and physical so for physical health. so for the great this hour, great british debate this hour, i'm , should benefits i'm asking, should benefits be axed dole? axed after a year on the dole? well joining me now is gp and medical writer doctor renee hoenderkamp and assist and also doctor lisa mckenzie and labour commentatorjames matthewson. commentator james matthewson. right. so all right so i'm going to renee . this is to start with renee. this is

what he's saying. he wants people to go back work . people to go back to work. surely working is a good thing for health for someone's mental health actually you're actually when you when you're doing than doing something rather than staring walls in staring at the four walls in your sort of, know staring at the four walls in ymeditating, sort of, know staring at the four walls in ymeditating, i sort of, know staring at the four walls in ymeditating, i don'tof, know staring at the four walls in ymeditating, i don't know know staring at the four walls in ymeditating, i don't know what/v , meditating, i don't know what people yeah, absolutely. >> mean, just proven time >> i mean, it's just proven time and again that isolation is and time again that isolation is bad work in bad for mental health work in and very good and socialisation is very good for you know, for mental health. you know, there's of evidence to show there's lots of evidence to show that just sitting on that if you're just sitting on your over and over that if you're just sitting on you things over and over that if you're just sitting on you things that over and over that if you're just sitting on you things that are er and over that if you're just sitting on you things that are making ver that if you're just sitting on you things that are making you the things that are making you feel and they will feel unhappy and sad, they will actually just continue to plague you, were . we know that you, as it were. we know that mental health improves when people work. we also know people go to work. we also know that when people have six months off work, unlikely to off work, they are unlikely to ever return to work. it's a startling statistic . so as a gp, startling statistic. so as a gp, i try very hard to encourage people back to work before that six month period, and i explained to them why . so yes, explained to them why. so yes, absolutely. need to absolutely. people need to go back . back to work. >> do you think there's a connection between that and the numbers people feigning numbers of people feigning sickness as well? >> think that >> doctor renee so i think that let's not, you know, go to the point where we call people feigning sickness. but i think

people an illness or let's people have an illness or let's say a sore shoulder or a sore knee. they get fixated on the career that they want to do, when actually they could do something else. and so we have to people about to talk to people about retraining , about doing retraining, about doing something that wouldn't aggravate that they aggravate the problem that they have. lots of people work when they a medical problem. they have a medical problem. lots of people work when they're in pain. so i think there is no, you know, there's nothing to say that you have a right to a job that you have a right to a job that makes you happy or a right to a job that you want to do. what we need to do is actually instil in people that society is only working if people actually play only working if people actually play their role in it, and work in is one of those roles. >> james matthewson your thoughts? >> yeah, i think it's absolute nonsense. >> i mean, you'll not be surprised to know that , but i surprised to know that, but i mean, when it comes to the idea that work and that work is that people somehow have this grand nofion people somehow have this grand notion that they want some luxurious life or that their, their ideas of what they do for

work is too grand and that they should retrain and do something else that they've been off sick. the work in this the quality of work in this country and the conditions in workplaces in this country is abysmal, even just compared to the rest of europe are present. the actual condition of work, because workers rights have been stripped systematically stripped away systematically over the last 14 years. the trade union act has made sure that people don't even get the proper representation that they're entitled to in work. and yet we are obsessed with the welfare budget . and somehow this welfare budget. and somehow this obsession that too obsession with the fact that too much been spent on welfare. much has been spent on welfare. when in the past. amazon's when in the past. yeah, amazon's you know amazon is a corporation paid no corporation tax on their uk division. you know rishi sunak's own wife didn't pay £20 million in tax while she had a non—dom status. and obviously they've clarified that since. and she has changed that status . and she has changed that status. but she's still avoided £20 million in tax. we're not obsessing over that, are we? >> what we're doing is, well, no, we're not, because we have

obsessed over that. and they'll probably their, you know, probably lose their, you know, they'll probably lose their place party leader place as the party leader in this country after of this country after a lot of that. no, the question that. but no, but the question £20 us, what, £20 £20 million from us, what, £20 million? not the million? but that's not the question , really. question, really. >> down on on who >> is it down on on people who are benefits. >> is it down on on people who are yeah, nefits. >> is it down on on people who are yeah, butts. >> is it down on on people who are yeah, but but but that's >> yeah, but but but that's not really point. point >> yeah, but but but that's not really making nt. point >> yeah, but but but that's not really making is point >> yeah, but but but that's not really making is that point >> yeah, but but but that's not really making is that there are we're making is that there are 9.4 million people are, you 9.4 million people who are, you know , are unemployed or who are know, are unemployed or who are off sick and that's a large portion of the workforce. and somehow we need to get some of those people back. >> it's too it's too many. exactly. i think the thing exactly. and i think the thing is in the is that we're looking at in the wrong and what renee wrong angle here, and what renee says sitting at says is right. you're sitting at home, depression that builds says is right. you're sitting at horthe depression that builds says is right. you're sitting at horthe horribleassion that builds says is right. you're sitting at horthe horrible situation.t builds says is right. you're sitting at horthe horrible situation. but lds all the horrible situation. but you've remember, people all the horrible situation. but you've rather remember, people all the horrible situation. but you've rather re|that ber, people all the horrible situation. but you've rather re|that thanieople all the horrible situation. but you've rather re|that than be)le would rather do that than be in work in some situations currently. what does that tell you about the state of. well doctor lisa mckenzie . doctor lisa mckenzie. >> yeah. i mean, i'm an educationalist. >> i work at the university. and what we also i mean, what you've just said is absolutely i mean, what what both of the commentators have just said, staying at home is depressing. but think we've got to

but also, i think we've got to look at two things. number one, why are people now suffering with such terrible mental health, but also the next thing is in 2013 this the government that we've got now, axed all aduu that we've got now, axed all adult education. they got rid of all funding for adult education. so what we don't have now is this we don't have people that can change skills. and as the job market's changing, can change skills. and as the job market's changing , there is job market's changing, there is no there is no educational skills training for those people. so what is happening is, you know , they are being you know, they are being abandoned. and the other thing is this is really seems to be like a class issue for me because this is about who gets to do this interesting work. and you know , and there was a report you know, and there was a report out last year which said that 250,000 working class people were not getting into the arts and culture industries because of prejudices . so it's okay of prejudices. so it's okay saying go to work, but it's who gets to work in amazon and who gets, you know, a nice job,

being an architect or being you have to start somewhere. >> i mean , look, the first job i >> i mean, look, the first job i did, well, admittedly, was in did, well, admittedly, it was in a and it was, but a kiss 100, and it was, but i had to. wrote and had to. i wrote hundreds and hundreds applications. right hundreds of applications. right rejected by and rejected by hundreds and hundreds people. hundreds and hundreds of people. it . but i still it was rejected. but i still carried on. and, you know, i've done i've cleaned toilets, i've sold knives in a shop, i've done i've worked just even though it wasn't very much. i know it was so embarrassing. it was very sad. i remember somebody saying to you could sad. i remember somebody saying to doing you could sad. i remember somebody saying to doing so you could sad. i remember somebody saying to doing so much you could sad. i remember somebody saying to doing so much better, could sad. i remember somebody saying to doing so much better, but|ld sad. i remember somebody saying to doing so much better, but id be doing so much better, but i did anyway. yeah, i did it anyway. renee yeah, i think actually a really think that actually is a really important point. >> i've worked in a >> so i too, i've worked in a laundrette people's laundrette cleaning people's knickers. worked knickers. i've actually worked in east ham, in the book station east ham, station selling at 5:00 in the morning in the freezing cold. you know, i've worked my way up. i what we've lost is this i think what we've lost is this understanding sometimes you understanding that sometimes you have to things you don't have to do things you don't particularly to do. particularly want to do. and i think of that because think part of that is because we've encouraged our go we've encouraged our kids to go to university degrees that to university to do degrees that are going to get them in are not going to get them in a job the that they job in the area that they absolutely and they absolutely love. and when they come out, they are understandably that understandably disappointed that they actually have to work

they actually might have to work in i think going in starbucks. and i think going to the point about, you know, the jobs the uk are abysmal the jobs in the uk are abysmal compared to europe. that doesn't actually the figures actually stack up in the figures when look at long tum sick, when you look at long tum sick, because g7 countries , because of all the g7 countries, we are the only one that actually has more people now on long term sick than before the pandemic, so something doesn't stack up there. and i do agree we have to make working conditions better. even we have to make working conditions better . even doctors conditions better. even doctors have abysmal working conditions and would happier if they and would be happier if they were better. but at the same time, think we need to drill time, i think we need to drill into people that have into people that they have a responsibility in society and whatever we say here, sitting around table, cannot around the table, we cannot afford this. >> i don't what what responsibility do people have in society to work and pay taxes in society to work and pay taxes in society to work and pay taxes in society to work and pay tax ? society to work and pay tax? >> why? >> why? >> well, he said, why hang on, hang on james, you're asking why should people work to pay taxes? is serious question ? is that a serious question? >> concept. what we're >> is as a concept. what we're talking all doing our talking about is all doing our fair share, all mucking in, you know, part of that society

know, being part of that society , every element of that society has been attacked by the conservative party for the past 14 years. every public service has been stripped away . every has been stripped away. every access to an opportunity has been stripped away. if you are a young working class person in this country and you do not have parents who can support you financially, you are stuffed. you opportunity you don't have the opportunity to progress. this idea that you can sell nice is not can go and sell nice is not a fantastic , but you know that is fantastic, but you know that is based meritocracy. the idea fantastic, but you know that is baseyou meritocracy. the idea fantastic, but you know that is baseyou meworkacy. the idea fantastic, but you know that is baseyou mework your'he idea fantastic, but you know that is baseyou mework your waydea fantastic, but you know that is baseyou mework your way up, that you can work your way up, you just can't anymore. it doesn't . doesn't. >> i don't think that's quite true, think that's a true, james. i think that's a bit defeatist that actually bit defeatist that is actually true. defeatist. true. pretty defeatist. lisa says true. sorry carry says it's not true. sorry carry on. lisa. no, no, it is true. >>— on. lisa. no, no, it is true. >> is absolutely true. social >> it is absolutely true. social mobility this country has mobility in this country has stopped, what, 2015? stopped, since what, 2015? social mobility has not been moving. this idea that there's that working class people can sort of move into middle class jobs and middle class work that's actually stopped. >> no. you stopped. i'm sorry , >> no. you stopped. i'm sorry, but you can you can make it. you can make a brief statement about

that. surely hasn't that. but that surely hasn't stopped. there will stopped. so perhaps there will be moved, who be people who have moved, who have from one class to have moved from one class to another like i another and stuff like that. i can't how would can't see how that would stop. >> never move >> lisa is people never move down varne because middle class people make sure that their children will never move down. >> that's a sweeping statement again. that's that's look, i'm not being funny, but you can never say never. and that doesn't make any sense. >> sociologist, is what i >> i'm a sociologist, is what i do. job. do. my day job. >> yeah. but that's. yeah, i appreciate that. but what you've >> yeah. but that's. yeah, i app|said:e that. but what you've >> yeah. but that's. yeah, i app|said there,. but what you've >> yeah. but that's. yeah, i app|said there, people1at you've >> yeah. but that's. yeah, i app|said there, people neverj've just said there, people never move there'll some move down. there'll be some people renee. move down. there'll be some peoi'm renee. move down. there'll be some peoi'm saying renee. move down. there'll be some peoi'm saying thatenee. move down. there'll be some peoi'm saying that thee. move down. there'll be some peoi'm saying that the figures >> i'm saying that the figures almost have stopped that we've got figures on social mobility, and it is more likely now that children who are from working class communities will never leave those working class communities and will never get into middle class jobs. >> well, that is the you could say that about almost anything, renee. >> so, lisa, picking up on your point, which i think very point, which i think is very valid about adult education, maybe about maybe what we should do about with system is say with the benefit system is say to that actually, if to people that actually, if you're unemployed , not only will

you're unemployed, not only will you'll get your benefits, but we will you . that will be will retrain you. that will be part of the condition. yeah. and i do see that requires that requires i think we all agree on that. >> but that doesn't happen. >> but that doesn't happen. >> that requires a dwp that is properly funded and is given the resources and the support and the needs to do that. austerity destroyed that and instead of actually repairing that, now all we are doing is finding scapegoats, i.e. the people who have suffered under this to blame. and that's all that's happened. if it's not, well , happened. if it's not, well, perhaps just some of those claimants, the next well, perhaps those government perhaps some of those government departments focus on departments could focus less on diversity net diversity and inclusion and net zero all nonsense zero and all the nonsense they're money on they're spending money on spending , perhaps. they're spending money on speandg , perhaps. they're spending money on speandg , perhaif;. they're spending money on speandg , perhaif they could >> and perhaps if they could maybe work go to the maybe go to work and go to the office, maybe they'd get office, then maybe they'd get more renee, thank more done. listen renee, thank you very much. doctor renee hoenderkamp really good to talk to also lisa mckenzie and to you. also lisa mckenzie and james matthewson briefly james matthewson very briefly then. you think she's then. so do you think she's right then? should people be kicked benefits if kicked off their benefits if they haven't worked for a year? renee yes or yes, matthew .

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welcome back. this is gb news. we are the people's channel. i'm nana akua. don't forget as well. you can download the gb news app and watch all the programmes for free. but now it's time for the great british debate this hour. and should benefits and i'm asking, should benefits be after a year on the be axed after a year on the dole? now, reports suggest that over be over 420,000 people will be asked look for work, as rishi asked to look for work, as rishi sunak announced yesterday that jobless brits will have their benefits cancelled if they don't find work within a year. the prime minister said that the changes are prevent changes proposed are to prevent people staying benefits as people staying on benefits as a lifestyle . rishi sunak's lifestyle choice. rishi sunak's comments have caused a backlash from various campaign groups ,

from various campaign groups, but he said it was fair to expect people who can work to get a job, and he wants to emphasise that going to work can actually improve and actually improve mental and physical health. this is exactly what doctor renee hoenderkamp said as well. so the greek, said as well. so for the greek, british debate this hour, i'm asking benefits be axed asking should benefits be axed after on the dole? well, after a year on the dole? well, let's my make of let's see what my panel make of that. joined by former that. i'm joined by former adviser labour party. adviser to the labour party. matthew broadcast and matthew laza also broadcast and columnist lizzie cundy. matthew laza. >> so the answer is no. not axed as a straight axe , but i think as a straight axe, but i think people should be given support to get back into work all the way through actually from day one. but that obviously should particularly increased after particularly be increased after people been on benefits people have been on benefits for a getting people off a year. getting people off welfare into work was a key labour in last labour priority in the last government. was one the government. it was one of the real stories. real success stories. this government late government has left it very late to put emphasis it to put an emphasis on it broadly. i welcome it as an idea . i think the detail is very hazy on how the tories are going . i think the detail is very ha do on how the tories are going . i think the detail is very ha do it. how the tories are going . i think the detail is very ha do it. one the tories are going . i think the detail is very ha do it. one of; tories are going . i think the detail is very ha do it. one of the 'ies are going . i think the detail is very ha do it. one of the things going to do it. one of the things they're going to do is they're going a whole going to have to have a whole army do the

army of medical people to do the assessments. got assessments. they haven't got them not going them yet, and they're not going to magically us doctors out to just magically us doctors out of people to be of nowhere. so people need to be given support into given support of welfare into work. straight one work. but just a straight one year but year is a good headline, but a bad to bad policy. but people need to be helped. bad policy. but people need to be whyzd. bad policy. but people need to be why though? i mean, look, we >> why though? i mean, look, we can't afford it. 9.4 million i think it is. we can't. how can we saying that we if you're saying that you'd allow to on allow people to languish on benefits. allow benefits. no, i wouldn't allow for year. for over a year. >> no, absolutely. but but >> no, no, absolutely. but but there the there are some parts of the country where it's massively more a job than more difficult to get a job than in country. in other parts of the country. we disparities we have big disparities in unemployment. so there's a big issue here. you know, unemployment is higher in cornwall, the east, cornwall, in the north east, say in or glasgow in in england or in glasgow in scotland in surrey scotland than it is in surrey and therefore it needs to be tailored approach, real support for people to give them the skills they need, the confidence they people they need. i don't think people with condition with a mental health condition should. i hate the idea of just putting life, on putting people on a life, on benefits, off benefits, signing people off sick of their life? >> well, you heard what renee said. stay unemployed said. if they stay unemployed for they're for at least six months, they're never back. never likely to get back. >> which i think that i >> which is why i think that i want support come from >> which is why i think that i wanone, support come from >> which is why i think that i wanone, suthatt come from >> which is why i think that i wan one, su that actually; from >> which is why i think that i wan one, su that actually itrom day one, so that actually it does. some support does. matthew, some support does. matthew, some support does. been cut. does. some support has been cut. and putting and they're actually putting back away back what they've taken away because because

because you do need because people doing anything. >> lizzie cundy am to >> lizzie cundy i am sick to death handouts . it should death of the handouts. it should be to as be hands up. i want to work as as we've heard , it's good for as we've heard, it's good for your mental health. good as we've heard, it's good for y0lyouental health. good as we've heard, it's good for y0lyou asal health. good as we've heard, it's good for y0lyou as a health. good as we've heard, it's good for y0lyou as a person good as we've heard, it's good for y0lyou as a person sociallyd as we've heard, it's good for y0lyou as a person socially , in for you as a person socially, in every aspect your life. you every aspect of your life. you feel sense of worth. and as feel that sense of worth. and as my father said, if you do something, you love, it never feels like work. and work is so good soul. and i'm good for your soul. and i'm someone that so sick of this someone that is so sick of this sick note culture. let me give you some facts that the bill for working for disability and ill health benefits has risen from 42.3 billion, up to 69 billion across the uk. we cannot do this anymore, matthew. this country is on its knees. so after a year on benefits, what a way to go, lizzy . this is on benefits, what a way to go, lizzy. this is your on benefits, what a way to go, lizzy . this is your lifestyle. i lizzy. this is your lifestyle. i won't get my, you know, off bottom off the couch, legs up. you know i've become a hermit . you know i've become a hermit. no it no. >> some people it's a year off. >> some people it's a year off. >> can't work matthew. but there is a huge amount that are playing system. playing the system. >> you, amanda. >> i don't need you, amanda. people system . i people playing the system. i think as a think people should be as a condition benefit.

condition of getting benefit. you actively seeking you should be actively seeking work should work and people should be supported but work and people should be supjofted but work and people should be supjof the but work and people should be supjof the problems but work and people should be supjof the problems at but work and people should be supjof the problems at the3ut one of the problems at the moment because we've moment is because we've got 7 million nhs waiting million people on nhs waiting lists. waiting lists. people are waiting in pain and they pain for operations and they can't work because they pointed that out. >> we already pointed that out . >> we already pointed that out. yeah, that's but some yeah, that's true, but but some people their cut after yeah, that's true, but but some pryear�* their cut after yeah, that's true, but but some pryear when their cut after yeah, that's true, but but some pryear when they're it after yeah, that's true, but but some pryear when they're still after a year when they're still waiting, know. but we need waiting, you know. but we need to sort nhs as well. to sort the nhs out as well. absolutely. that's absolutely. but that's let's take the equation. take that out of the equation. let's are let's talk about people who are well work, who well enough to go to work, who could work, which what we're could work, which is what we're talking i don't talking about. and i don't understand should be on understand why you should be on benefits for over a year. >> people out of work, >> bodied people out of work, 2.8 know, the 2.8 million. and you know, the fraud benefits us 6.4 million. >> and i'm against it, a fraud in the system. but i am giving people the support need . people the support they need. and i think really and i think it's really important people have important that people have tailored if they've got tailored plans. if they've got issues, they've if they've issues, if they've if they've never they never worked, if they need support , they the support support, they need the support to get into it. >> i agree, but there's so many jobs do online, so many jobs you can do online, so many jobs. even go jobs. you don't even have to go into the building, especially jobs. you don't even have to go intoones3uilding, especially jobs. you don't even have to go intoones3uildithe especially jobs. you don't even have to go intoones3uildithe hmrcally jobs. you don't even have to go intoones3uildithe hmrc and the the ones with the hmrc and the government listen the ones with the hmrc and the goverthat's listen the ones with the hmrc and the goverthat's point. listen the ones with the hmrc and the goverthat's point. andn well, that's the point. and actually well, that's the point. and actutin—work benefits whilst with in—work benefits whilst they're working. so there's a

whole layer that haven't been whole layer that we haven't been on. i think look i welcome this is not getting people, is not on getting people, getting work. getting people into work. >> detail from the >> i want proper detail from the tories some people need tories and some people do need support of support into it. a friend of mine ran a company that got people and if people back into work, and if you package, you can you tailor the package, you can get anybody into the get almost anybody back into the world that's what world of work. and that's what we it's the number we need because it's the number one success. we need because it's the number onecareer. success. >> career. >> career. >> totally and we need >> i agree totally and we need education. a one year education. it's just a one year cut off. >> but need a robust system >> but we need a robust system to cheats to stop fraud and benefit cheats because a because they just uncovered a massive scam . massive fraud scam. >> haven't they. were someone made point is made billions. so the point is that there's no that i'm against there's no point just as point public spending just as there point there wasn't. there's no point setting and then setting this up. and then not looking situation. looking at the fraud situation. and people do take and there are people who do take the proverbial of course there are. this show is are. but like this show is nothing and your are. but like this show is nothir as and your are. but like this show is nothir as well. and your are. but like this show is nothir as well. come and your are. but like this show is nothiras well. come out your are. but like this show is nothiras well. come out great views as well. come out great british voices opportunity british voices their opportunity to what they to be on and tell us what they think about the topics we're discussing. should discussing. where should we go to today? should we go to all northamptonshire? to today? should we go to all nortiitmptonshire? to today? should we go to all nortiit there. shire? to today? should we go to all nortiit there. let's have a chat love it there. let's have a chat with matt miranda richardson. the not the miranda richardson obviously the miranda richardson gb news miranda richardson miranda a year on benefits. they're on the dole. is it time

to cut the benefits after that ? to cut the benefits after that? >> do you know what nana. and i think we have to look at this like you these are people like you said, these are people who to go to work, who are able to go to work, right? not questioning right? we're not questioning the sick. we're not questioning people issues . people that have got issues. right. these are people that are able to work there are able to go to work there are lots of jobs. you know, i work in an industry where we are crying out for staff, you know , crying out for staff, you know, hospitality desperately need staff. we interviewed somebody last week who went, don't really want to work weekends . want to work weekends. >> it's hospitality. miranda. really? seriously exactly. >> and this is the what we've allowed is a culture of not going to work. >> that's what's happened. we're allowing people to. oh, well, i'm going to be a youtuber or a tiktoker. that's no job. >> so then they haven't really got experience in anything because they're not doing anything. >> and this is what we're allowing. >> and we shouldn't be. and so, you know, strip it back , you know, strip it back, research it. >> look at where you're going to make the cuts after a year , you

make the cuts after a year, you know. yes. help people back into work. plenty of jobs. work. there are plenty of jobs. >> people have just got to go . >> people have just got to go. do you know what? i'm not going to be part of that system. and i am going to i've never not had job. >> yeah, a bit like you. >> yeah, a bit like you. >> i have done everything. >> i've never not worked. >> i've never not worked. >> mean the job >> does it mean it's the job i want to do when i grow up? >> probably not. even now. i'm not doing the job not sure i'm doing the job i want to do when i up. want to do when i grow up. >> that's thing. >> but that's the thing. >> but that's the thing. >> grown up, miranda. >> you have grown up, miranda. you grown up. miranda you have grown up. miranda miranda you so miranda richardson, thank you so much. that great british much. she's that great british voice. i love her, she's there . voice. i love her, she's there. northamptonshire. right. still to come. my difficult conversation . my guest will be conversation. my guest will be here live to tell us about her harrowing story. you must. you do not want to miss that. please stay tuned. she's here at 5:00. she'll be my difficult conversation. next, angela conversation. but next, angela levin will be here to give us the latest from the the latest from behind the palace roundup

good afternoon. 47 minutes after 4:00. this is gb news. i'm nana akua now. there's always something going on in the royal household. and this week has been no different. and every saturday, love to give you saturday, i love to give you a rundown and who to do so rundown and who better to do so than levin? royal than angela levin? royal biographer. angela, it's been a very busy week. talk to me what's on? what's going on? >> well, i mean, i too am obsessed by the jam, actually, of all the things that interest me, more or less is jam. >> i can't bearjam and but it's also silly because they've actually said all of it is come from fruit on their on their house, in their garden. and i thought, well how come is that , thought, well how come is that, doesit thought, well how come is that, does it mean there's only 50? and the rest of us can't actually even taste this jam or what? and also, is this a time when you're going to get raspberries and strawberries? i don't know, but anyway, it seemed i didn't believe that

really. and of course it was at the other sentence that was added was that king charles used to buy his in. i said, oh, there you are. you're just sort of building up against him. and also that too also i thought that was too funny words , is that we know funny for words, is that we know we heard that it went around to all people who were all these 50 people who were friends, hoped would friends, and she hoped would pubush friends, and she hoped would publish it. they had the number 17 at a 50 on the one we saw. and there was another one that came up 10 or 50. and i thought, you know, it's not like a painting, it? it's not like painting, is it? it's not like the wonderful that the wonderful thing that somebody to make and somebody is going to make and you're going keep it forever. you're going to keep it forever. are to keep the empty are we meant to keep the empty jar, or are we meant to keep the jam because it's so special? at $30 a jam, a jar, it's ridiculous. >> why ? lemon's a lemon. when >> why? lemon's a lemon. when you buy a car, that's a lemon. it's supposed to be like a bad thing. you've got the worst one. yeah a bit of a lemon, yeah you're a bit of a lemon, don't you? >> of a lemon today as >> a bit of a lemon today as well. right. well. that's right. >> so i just think it's >> yeah. so i just think it's a ridiculous idea. and i think

it's very, silly to come up with one thing. you don't know what the next thing is , but she is the next thing is, but she is trying to be allowed to go globally. now, that word globally. now, that word globally is absolutely meghan's favourite word because britain was too small for her. she always wanted to be global, so if she can sell things globally, she would be thrilled to bits. but i mean, i don't really think that people are going to buy all that people are going to buy all that and, and chickens, sort of things , bird food, bird food and things, bird food, bird food and all those things. it's ridiculous. so that's that. and harry was a great surprise because he's now his number one home is america. now. he's had this for a year and he came to light two days ago. but this means why has he been nagging in for london everything to get protection? 24 hours a day for all his family, when actually he's hardly going to be here. and i thought that that was really cunning to do that, to

hope that that he could get that before it was, you know, revealed of where he is. but the thing is that he now won't be able to be, to do a lot of the work. he won't have these top, protectors with guns. absolutely not. he won't be able to be a counsellor so he can stand in. if king charles is away or unwell, he won't be able to do lots of things now that he could have done, and he was. i mean, i'm very happy for him to go away, but i think it's very unfair of him to try and be nasty about the royal family. at the same time. they must be very upset well as saying, okay, upset as well as saying, okay, go way. it's always go your way. but it's always donein go your way. but it's always done in a nasty way, so distressing as well. >> i mean, especially if you're ill as well. yeah, the king hinckley catherine islands have, you leave be. you know, like leave them be. >> prince william >> well, when, prince william came back to work again and i thought he looked rather thin, and i thought he looked rather

stressed. and he's with this company that is charity that he's doing, that food that everybody leaves in restaurants and all that. and it goes around to people who can't really afford to eat. and he was chopping up celery, and he was doing his best. and the woman gave him two cards, wishing charles, prince, king charles and also his wife well. and he said, that's so kind of you. i felt so sorry . felt so sorry. >> yeah. it's been very difficult for them, really. >> it's very, very difficult because catherine is so young to because catherine is so young to be that kind of be diagnosed with that kind of cancer and don't cancer as well. and we don't know is. it makes you know what it is. so it makes you feel curious and knowing feel both curious and knowing that not your business, that it's not your business, but you to her be. well, you really want to her be. well, i mean, you see those lovely children and, you know, you really wish for her to be well. and william, although he's come back , he's not going to come too back, he's not going to come too often. i mean, he's going to still be responsible for her and the children and try and make it a normal family. and i admire that hugely. and anybody who

thinks that he should be doing a lot more for the country, they need just to wait and see. and i'm sure he will. >> yeah. bless him . angela >> yeah. bless him. angela levin, always a pleasure. thank you so much for all your thoughts that is a brilliant angela levin. well, listen, lots thoughts that is a brilliant anyoui levin. well, listen, lots thoughts that is a brilliant anyou have]. well, listen, lots thoughts that is a brilliant anyou have been.l, listen, lots thoughts that is a brilliant anyou have been.l, itouch lots thoughts that is a brilliant anyou have been.l, itouch with of you have been in touch with your views. rachel says this your views. rachel says all this fuss talked about rwanda fuss we've talked about rwanda over rwanda not being a safe country. if we don't do something very soon, we will not. have to evacuate the not. we'll have to evacuate the britons because the will not britons because the uk will not be country. so true , be a safe country. so true, james says. send a plane load of lords rwanda check it out. lords to rwanda to check it out. yeah, true. and adrian says it's a joke. it will stop nothing in every day. this country lets illegal criminals in. so those are the thoughts on people's views with regard rwanda. views with regard to rwanda. keep coming keep your thoughts coming as well. news. com forward slash well. gb news. com forward slash your say coming up though my incredible guest still with me. i'm nana akua. this is gb news live on tv, online and on digital radio. still to come, my difficult conversation. sarah de lagarde will be live here in the studio to tell us about her her

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eastern scotland, a bit eastern parts of scotland, a bit of a cloudy and grey and damp start the day on sunday. start to the day on sunday. however south eastern parts of england, and england, northern ireland and western scotland seeing western parts of scotland seeing the best of the sunshine through the best of the sunshine through the morning, perhaps 2 the morning, perhaps 1 or 2 showers across showers bubbling up across southeastern parts of england through the afternoon, it through the afternoon, but it should dry for most should be staying dry for most places. band of places. however, that band of patchy continues to patchy rain slowly continues to sink and sink its way southwards and feeling quite chilly under that cloud and rain too. however, in the feeling very the sunshine feeling very pleasant. highs of maybe pleasant. highs of 1415, maybe 16 degrees across the south. monday does start a bit of a grey day for most of us. outbreaks of rain continue to slowly push their way southwards, but eastern southwards, but south eastern parts probably parts of england probably holding on that sunshine and holding on to that sunshine and feeling that feeling quite pleasant in that sunshine to or 2 showers sunshine to maybe 1 or 2 showers around tuesday or wednesday, around on tuesday or wednesday, but will be slowly but temperatures will be slowly recovering average recovering closer to average for the year . the time of year. >> looks like things are heating up. boxt boilers sponsors of weather on . gb news. weather on. gb news. >> we're gb news and we come

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threaten arrest? the metropolitan police are under fire after an officer was filmed telling a jewish man, that he was , that his presence was was, that his presence was antagonising a pro—palestine march in london. and then what's happening in dubai ? lord balfe happening in dubai? lord balfe. but first, let's get your latest . news. >> good afternoon. it's 5:01. i'm sophia wenzler here in the gb newsroom. your top story this hour. gb newsroom. your top story this hour . a gb newsroom. your top story this hour. a police apology has been welcomed by the government, but the home office says being jewish should never be seen as provocative . it's after provocative. it's after a metropolitan police officer stopped campaign against anti—semitism. chief executive gideon falter from crossing a road near a pro—palestinian march, saying he's quite openly

jewish. the home office, which says the comment is unacceptable, has written to the police commissioner and mayor of london. a spokesperson for sadiq khan described the met's handung khan described the met's handling of the incident as very concerning . today, pro—israel concerning. today, pro—israel demonstrators are holding a peaceful counter protest in central london called enough is enough. central london called enough is enough . the group says hatred enough. the group says hatred has no place on the streets of the capital. >> i can't walk through central london with a yarmulke on your head, no signs of any israeli flag or support for israel, or any views on on what may be going on in the middle east. >> but if you're not allowed to walk across the street in central london because you are openly then time openly jewish, then it's time for government to act. for the government to act. >> it'sjust for the government to act. >> it's just sad that it's that that it has come to this, that it's now regarded as not completely safe for jewish people to walk in the streets of their own own own city. and not only is it distressing and vile, as their views are the distressing thing, it's also becoming becoming normalised. >> meanwhile , pro—palestinian

>> meanwhile, pro—palestinian protesters have been marching in sheffield demanding a ceasefire in gaza. they're accusing israel of using famine as a weapon of war and criticised the government for continuing to arm the country. the palestine solidarity campaign also took aim at barclays bank, urging it to sever ties with companies which supply weapons and military equipment to israel. in other news, musicians, politicians and campaigners are rallying in glasgow calling for another independence referendum. believe in scotland and pensioners for independence marched from kelvin way to george square to hear from speakers including first minister humza yousaf. there were mixed feelings in the city, with a counter—protest calling for the country to remain in the united kingdom. >> it's our country, we want it back. thank you very much. >> we've been we've been a colony for over 300 years. >> we get nothing back . >> we get nothing back. >> we get nothing back. >> everything's taken from us and goes goes south to object

against the a&e march. >> still going ahead because they haven't accepted our our vote in 2014. >> i think it's about ridiculous, if i'm honest, so that's why i'm here, but i'm not really here for manana. so three men who died in a car crash near a retail park in north—west london have been named by police. >> mohammed zaydani mohammed ghazi and sohail zulfikar died when their vehicle went through a car park fence and hit a footbridge. it happened last weekend and the men, who were in their early 20s, were pronounced dead at the scene. two other passengers were injured , but passengers were injured, but police say their condition is not threatening. not life threatening. investigation into the cause of the crash continue . parents and the crash continue. parents and their children have staged a demonstration in belfast over rising childcare costs. more than a thousand people carrying balloons, placards and prams took part, calling for immediate support. unlike england, there is no scheme offering free

childcare in northern ireland, but some tax credits are available. stormont politicians want to prioritise childcare, but a new strategy could cost £400 million a year. they've requested face to face talks with the prime minister, rishi sunak, to ask for more funding , sunak, to ask for more funding, and a two minute silence has been held, honouring the englishman and women who died serving the nation hundreds of army and naval cadets took part in a march past the cenotaph in central london, marking 130 years of the royal society of saint george . some society of saint george. some members of the public were there to celebrate the day . to celebrate the day. >> well, we're big military people, so it means a lot to come down and celebrate and be part of it all.

>> really . >> really. >> really. >> it's obviously the patron saint of our country and obviously i'm the old brigade and it means something to me . and it means something to me. >> we're english, he's a descendant of england , so we've descendant of england, so we've got a market. scotland. do it. well, let's do it. we've got to do it as well, and we've got to do it as well, and we've got to do it as well, and we've got to do it bigger and better. >> and for the latest stories, sign up to gb news alerts by scanning the code on your scanning the qr code on your screen to gb news. com screen or go to gb news. com slash alerts. now it's back to . nana. >> good afternoon. this is gb news on tv , online and on news on tv, online and on digital radio. i'm nana akua. and for the next hour, me and my panel will be taking on some of the big topics hitting the headunes the big topics hitting the headlines right now. this show is about opinion . it's mine. is all about opinion. it's mine. it's and of course it's it's theirs. and of course it's yours. debating , yours. we'll be debating, discussing and at times we will disagree, no one will be disagree, but no one will be cancelled. joining today cancelled. so joining me today is broadcast from columnist lizzie cundy and also former labour matthew laza. labour adviser matthew laza. still to come now my difficult

conversation today is sarah de lagarde, a resilient mother of two who faced unimaginable adversity after a tragic accident where she lost an arm and a leg. now sarah is campaigning for change and is calling for a comprehensive review of tfl's safety procedures. sarah advocates for change and don't miss that interview that is on the way, then, for the great british debate this hour. i'm asking were the police right to threaten arrest? now the metropolitan police is under fire after an officer was filmed telling a jewish man that his presence was antagonising a pro—palestine in london. pro—palestine march in london. as ever. get in touch gb news. com forward slash your say . so com forward slash your say. so seven minutes after 5:00 and it's seven minutes after 5:00 and wsfime seven minutes after 5:00 and it's time now for this week's difficult conversation in a tragic accident at high barnet station. sarah de lagarde endured life changing injuries after falling between a stationary train and the platform, leading to the loss of

her arm and leg. now she has issued a legal claim at the high court against transport for london, as she calls for a comprehensive review of tfl's safety procedures . a safety procedures. a spokesperson for mr khan said that the mayor's thoughts remain with sarah and her loved ones, and he has asked to be kept updated and is very keen to meet with sarah once the claim is resolved . so joining now in resolved. so joining me now in the de lagarde. the studio is sarah de lagarde. sarah thank you so much for joining me. hello. i was i was really looking forward to meeting you because i think you must be incredibly brave because for that, can you talk us through what happened to you? >> of course, so in 2022, 30th of september, i was on my way home from work and i slipped and fell and, i slipped on an uneven and wet platform and fell in between a stationary train and the. >> and the platform itself into the gap. and nobody heard me or

saw me. and the train departed , saw me. and the train departed, and with it crushed my arm. and and with it crushed my arm. and a 20 tons of steel, and by some miracle i remained conscious. i continued to shout for help, and still nobody saw me or heard me. and then the second train came into the station and crushed me again, and this time my right leg below the knee. >> now i can't even imagine what that must have been like. first of all, falling into that gap between the train and the platform. what was i mean, is it in your mind? can you remember what you were thinking ? what you were thinking? >> i honestly, the first thought in was i shouldn't be in my mind was i shouldn't be here. this is a really precarious situation . and i had precarious situation. and i had a moment where the pain was so intense that i thought, you know, dying would be a relief. but then seconds later, i saw in

my mind's eye the faces of my two children. and that gave me the strength to just hold on and, you know, try to draw attention to what happened and get me saved . get me saved. >> so you were in between the train and the platform , and at train and the platform, and at this time you've sort of hurt yourself, but your arm is okay. your a leg is okay. so then the train starts to pull away. yeah, yeah. >> and that's how somehow my arm got caught and i lost it above the elbow. and so i've now been fitted with, a bionic arm. >> it's quite incredible isn't it. it's quite incredible. >> it's got artificial intelligence embedded within. so it as i use it. so it it learns as i use it. so it becomes more and more performant i >> -- >> it's incredible, isn't it? we've really moved forward with things like that . so then after things like that. so then after the arm goes you can see presumably see what's presumably you can see what's happened. and you must be thinking, my so thinking, i've lost my arm. so i didn't really look in much

detail, but i could feel that my sides was numbing and i could see that , yeah, i knew see that, yeah, i knew instinctively that i'd lost that arm. wow. and then. so you're calling for help ? was there calling for help? was there nobody on the platform at all? no. >> i mean, it wasn't . it wasn't >> i mean, it wasn't. it wasn't that late for a friday evening. what time was it? it was around nine ish. and there were people on the platform. i could see it afterwards on the cctv footage , afterwards on the cctv footage, but it's cctv isn't watched live. i always thought it was that gave me that false sense of security, perhaps, but actually , security, perhaps, but actually, you know, nobody does watch that live. it's only watched in hindsight when it's already too late. >> there's nobody really manning the cameras. that's terrible. yeah. and there's no one on the platform. >> so that's, you know, that's quite common now to have less staff in general . and, yeah. and staff in general. and, yeah. and eventually vie somebody heard me, but only because i'd spent

over 15 minutes on the tracks and screaming for help. and i kept screaming, you know, please, somebody help me. my name is sarah, and i don't want to die . and by the end, i got to die. and by the end, i got very, very desperate thinking i could feel myself dying. i could feel the blood leaving my body. and. but i had this willpower and saying like, no, no, no. somebody at some point will discover me. and somebody did indeed hear my cries for help eventually. but i was stuck under that train, that second train. >> and so that train , the second >> and so that train, the second train hadn't moved away yet. >> so i was wedged underneath it. and somehow the emergency services had to get me from underneath the train. and i think they had to, like, move me on this canoe style board to the top of the train and the all the carriages basically. >> and at that time did they actually have to amputate your limbs there to get you out ?

limbs there to get you out? >> or so i think. the limbs were already partially non—viable at that stage. and, i was very lucky that the emergency services, the london air ambulance came and they have, a mini theatre, so to speak, within in their setup that they can attend to patients on site, which means that i had a higher percent, chance of making it normally i wouldn't, and so eventually i got taken to the royal london hospital, where i was treated , where the was treated, where the amputations were completed. and then i spent six weeks in in rehabilitation . rehabilitation. >> and what what has that done to you and your life? how has that affected you? >> well, hugely , because i mean , >> well, hugely, because i mean, missing one limb is hard enough, but missing two is completely devastating . i used to be a very

devastating. i used to be a very sporty person . i enjoyed the sporty person. i enjoyed the outdoors. i climbed mount kilimanjaro for, a month before the accident. wow my husband and i reached the top and it was the greatest achievement. aside from having my children . but after having my children. but after that, life had changed completely . i was worried about completely. i was worried about everything. i was worried about, you know , not being able to you know, not being able to financially provide for my family anymore. i was worried about how i could keep up with my young family, how i could even enjoy my being alive. so there's a part of me that was intensely grateful for the support that i was given for, the incredible support from, you know, the nhs staff. my family, my friends, my colleagues who've been extremely supportive and very welcoming. but but the reality is that this is not a broken ankle . no, you know, broken ankle. no, you know, these these limbs are gone

forever. they won't grow back. every morning i wake up and i've got a split second thought of. oh, maybe it was just a nightmare . maybe they've just nightmare. maybe they've just grown back overnight, but it never does . so i always, you never does. so i always, you know, prosthetics are great. don't get me wrong. the innovation, the technology is great, but it's not the same. it's not. it's not. no it comes with all a whole host of issues and, you know, wear and tear. they're so expensive. >> really, roughly how much is one of those? >> so just a hardware . about a >> so just a hardware. about a over £100,000. no. yes wow. yes. and yeah, the leg is slightly less sophisticated, but on top of that, you have to have the physio. my body is completely unbalanced now that both amputations are on the same side. so it takes away so much freedom. i can't drive , i can't, freedom. i can't drive, i can't, i'm terrified of taking public transport. as a matter of fact, i am not brave enough to. >> i don't blame you. >> i don't blame you. >> it wasn't safe with four

limbs. it's not going to be any safer with two. so. but. yeah, and but the driving force for me is i've got my two children and they're beautiful girls and. but they're beautiful girls and. but they're of age now that they could use public transport and should probably use public transport, to be eco friendly , transport, to be eco friendly, but, but i'm worried sick because as tfl has denied all liability, which means they don't think they've done anything wrong, which means they're not going to change anything. and i, i truly believe that there are some errors that have been made that could have avoided all of this . avoided all of this. >> well, it's disgraceful actually, because the fact that you can be on the track for 15 minutes and nobody can even see that you're there, that's got to be some form of, i don't know, it feels like some form of negligence. obviously, they have said that they don't feel they've anything wrong. but

they've done anything wrong. but sadiq said he to talk sadiq khan said he wants to talk to you should go and see him. >> i would love to talk to him. i've asking to speak to him i've been asking to speak to him for a while as chair of the tfl, but but his office had replied that it would be inappropriate to meet. why? and so i don't know. it's ridiculous . know. it's ridiculous. >> sadiq. sadiq, if you are watching or somebody from tfl is watching, you've seen what's happened sarah. i suggest you happened to sarah. i suggest you do communicate and find her and get in touch. you can also get in touch with us @gbnews. we will happily pass on her contact. you'd be happy with that. all, forward that. first of all, forward those on. >> course. >> yes, of course. >>— >> yes, of course. >> honestly, i it is just such an incredible story. it feels like it's not. it feels like it's just a make believe when you're telling somebody this story and the fact that you're still here to the tale, still here to tell the tale, what would you like to see tfl do? what would you like to see? well i guess it should be similar to the to the airline industry. >> if an incident happens, it should really trigger the

company to think about all of the procedures, saying like, well , if it the procedures, saying like, well, if it happened, you know, and we are adamant that we fulfilled every point on our checklist or our procedures should be fine. then you have to ask yourself, are these procedures right in the first place? so here's the scary fact. and these are tfl's own numbers 16 incidents a month like mine happen. and now the majority don't survive because you rarely survive a train crash. right. so 16 a month that is i mean we should be striving for zero. and yet tfl says oh , you know, we yet tfl says oh, you know, we have millions of journeys and that represents only a small you know, it's statistically insignificant . comte and know, it's statistically insignificant. comte and i find that outrageous. what how much is a life worth every single incident should be the trigger for innovation and change. you can't just sit on 16 people.

>> outrageous mums and dads. outrageous. it is outrageous and to be honest, i have been, told about an incident that happened at the end of last year. >> so bearing in mind that my incident happened in 2022, in 2023, on the on boxing day, a gentleman called brian , a gentleman called brian, a pensioner, slipped and fell on the tracks and he got run over by four trains. wow it was at stratford, which is also a terminal station . so clearly terminal station. so clearly there's something wrong. you know, you can't. how can you run over a person on the tracks four times now? eight times, because it's coming in and going out. thatis it's coming in and going out. that is just i mean, that's just beyond cruel. >> has this because i haven't heard of this story that's been reported. has it been reported anywhere? >> yes, i've seen, but not very much. for some reason, these news stories don't really make it into mainstream media,

probably because it's quite horrific. but you know, you have to have an accountability as a company of the size and scope of tfl. you know , you charge your tfl. you know, you charge your your passengers so much money to buy your ticket. they deserve better . better. >> well, i couldn't agree more with you more, sarah. well, listen , you keep pushing forward listen, you keep pushing forward on what you know and getting that get that meeting with sadiq khan to look the situation . khan to look at the situation. because if that can happen to you, it can happen to any of us. exactly, you know, so take care of yourself. thank you. and i'm really glad you've got a nice husband and lovely children . husband and lovely children. and, you know, every day is a blessing. >> yeah, absolutely . every day >> yeah, absolutely. every day is a blessing. >> all right, sarah, thank you so thank you. that is the so much. thank you. that is the brilliant lagarde. brilliant sarah de lagarde. honestly, , you just honestly, seriously, you just shocking that you couldn't make that at all, but, mr dent, that up at all, but, mr dent, director of customer operations at london underground, has said that safety is our top priority and we continue to take every

possible measure to learn from any incident. and put in place appropriate improvements. however, our thoughts continue to be with sarah and her family following the devastating incident at high barnet station . incident at high barnet station. well, coming up, it's time for the great british debate this houn the great british debate this hour. and i'm asking, will the police right to threaten with arrest? but first, let's get an update

good afternoon. 24 minutes after 5:00. this is gb news. we are the people's channel. i'm nana akua, and it's time now for the great british debate this hour. and i'm were police and i'm asking, were the police right arrest ? now right to threaten, arrest? now the metropolitan police are under fire after an officer was filmed telling a jewish man his presence was antagonising at a pro—palestine march in london. you are quite openly jewish. >> this is a pro—palestinian

march right ? >> this is a pro—palestinian march right? i'm not accusing you of anything, but i'm worried about the reaction to your presence. >> presence. >> well, in the video shared by campaign against anti—semitism for saturday's march, the met officer then appears to threaten to arrest the man if he failed to arrest the man if he failed to remove himself. you know, the people here now escorted out of this area, go about your business, go where you like freely, or if you choose to remain here because you are causing a breach of some of . causing a breach of some of. >> if i remain here, you will arrest is antagonising a large group of people that we can't deal with all of them. if they attack you, what they did, they was your presence . antagonism. was your presence. antagonism. >> well, the man says was >> well, the man says he was simply trying to cross the road after going to a synagogue. this comes following new polling suggesting four of ten suggesting only four of ten people say that they people in england say that they trust the police, especially the met, who got the lowest confidence score. so for the great british debate year, great british debate this year, i'm police i'm asking, were the police right threaten arrest? right. right to threaten arrest? right. so now is i've got

so joining me now is i've got gary monde , i've got gary monde, gary monde, i've got gary monde, chairman of the national jewish assembly, doctor nichi hodgson social policy analyst, and jonathan sukh dodi. if i said it right, sacerdoti sacerdoti sacerdoti, sorry. and a former detective at detective at the chief superintendent, metropolitan police . kevin metropolitan police. kevin hurley. sorry, kevin. i've gone all crazy. kevin, i'm going to start with you, was he right to threaten arrest if you consider the situation that this gentleman was, was in? >> well, mr gideon falter, who's chief executive of the campaign against antisemitic semitism, had not just left a synagogue because there are no synagogues in the area of aldwych. >> he had deliberately gone to that area for reasons best known to himself , that area for reasons best known to himself, and we can only surmise what they are . if he'd surmise what they are. if he'd wanted to cross the road on his own quite quickly, he probably would have got away with it. but what officer was was

what the officer was doing was quite rightly, the quite rightly, keeping the king's , preventing king's peace, preventing a breach of the peace, which would have meant probably that crowd volatile, possibly emotional , volatile, possibly emotional, may well have turned on, mr falter quite improperly, because, of course, any person is entitled to cross the road and wear a jewish kippah. but the fact of the matter is, it is likely that would have provoked a breach of the peace. the police officer very nicely and repeatedly asked mr falter to move away. he chose not to because he intended to get this, media feed and provoke the debate that he's got now. so yes, the metropolitan police constable was quite right. and shame on the senior police leadership. and may i say, the home secretary were all in the process now of falling over backwards to apologise . backwards to apologise. >> okay, gary, how dare they? >> okay, gary, how dare they? >> how dare they apologise to a jew ? jew? >> i well, i don't think that's quite >> i well, i don't think that's quhe he >> i well, i don't think that's quite he meant. i don't quite what he meant. i don't think it's because they're quite what he meant. i don't think iti because they're quite what he meant. i don't think iti thinkjse they're quite what he meant. i don't think iti think it'sthey're quite what he meant. i don't

think iti think it's moree quite what he meant. i don't think iti think it's more to do jewish. i think it's more to do with that they believe with the fact that they believe that believes the that kevin believes that the police but police acted correctly. but whilst you, jonathan, carry on with what you're well it with what you're saying. well it was ridiculous response. >> i mean, it doesn't matter what gideon falter was doing out and about, and it doesn't matter how was . the how near a synagogue was. the man walking on street man was walking on the street wearing which wearing a kippah, which identified him as a jew. the policeman off for being policeman told him off for being openly jewish. i hope you don't mind me openly jewish on mind me being openly jewish on this tv hope not too this tv show. hope it's not too antagonistic. don't even care antagonistic. i don't even care if he was hoping to get filmed, if he was hoping to get filmed, if he was hoping to get filmed, if he was hoping to get filmed. in to how difficult in order to show how difficult it jews to to it is for jews to be able to walk around where those hate marches place week after marches take place week after week for seven months, then so be that's what it's be it, because that's what it's taken to get some arrests at these unfortunately, these protests. unfortunately, it's arrests of the wrong people. it's been arrests of people. it's been arrests of people like niyak ghorbani , the people like niyak ghorbani, the iranian republic iranian anti—islamic republic protester who's held up signs saying hamas is a terrorist organisation being arrested 3 or 4 times by the police for that. it's been the threatened arrest of this man now for wearing a

kippah and going on the streets. i think it's absolutely preposterous to defend that kind of behaviour. it's time that the police actually started keeping the peace by arresting the people the peace, people who threaten the peace, the who threaten the the people who threaten the peace or other peace aren't jews or other people nana if you people going around nana if you went into part of london where went into a part of london where there racists on the street there were racists on the street and they said, you are openly black, you shouldn't go near them, they might beat you up. would you think that's the right thing to do, even if you'd gone there film it and there in order to film it and put out on the media? of put it out on the media? of course, you shouldn't be arrested or threatened course, you shouldn't be arrearrest or threatened course, you shouldn't be arrearrest that.r threatened course, you shouldn't be arrearrest that.r thr

wearing a star of david was told almost exactly the same thing by the police officer then. and then there are going to be other cases happened which cases that have happened which where individuals where the individuals in question, the victims in question, the victims in question, lower question, have been lower profile and it hasn't got into the has happened with the news. what has happened with gideon falter is simply last gideon falter is simply the last of series of examples of of a whole series of examples of this disgraceful behaviour by the police. >> okay , let's go to doctor >> okay, let's go to doctor richy bhesan . richy bhesan. >> firstly, nana, i'd make the point that i passionately believe in the cause of palestinian statehood and the palestinian statehood and the palestinian right to palestinian people's right to self—determination, but i'm absolutely appalled by gideon fawlty's treatment. if truth be told, britain is a land of considerable religious freedoms. he's openly jewish, but is ultimately a british man, and he absolutely has a right to walk wherever he likes in london. now, if his presence is antagonising, problematic , or antagonising, problematic, or has the potential to cause pubuc has the potential to cause public disruption, that's ultimately because the more unsavoury elements of the pro—palestine demonstrations , pro—palestine demonstrations, where there has been very clear forms of anti—semitic chanting

andindeed forms of anti—semitic chanting and indeed the displaying of pro terror pro terror paraphernalia to that hasn't been combated and it hasn't been treated with the robust law and order response that it deserves. so we have to be very clear here that we're ultimately talking about a british man. i take great pride in the fact that we live in a land of considerable religious freedoms. has the to freedoms. he has the right to be openly jewish. and i also think that protesters, they have the legitimate right to protest in favour of palestinian statehood, as long that is within the boundanes as long that is within the boundaries of british law. >> well, but i think kevin makes a good point, though , that it a good point, though, that it could be to protect him from the crowd . kevin. i mean, that's to crowd. kevin. i mean, that's to me looking at that. i don't know whether what my thoughts are. on whether what my thoughts are. on whether he was right to threaten with arrest, but but kevin, he's trying to protect him, isn't he? >> let my first comments on this. if we really want to cut to the chases. i believe in the right israel to retaliate right of israel to retaliate against hamas attacks against the hamas attacks on them. on october the 7th, last

yean them. on october the 7th, last year, last year. but i also believe they should have been measured in their approach. so that's where i stand on that. now, let me just deal with a couple of the comments made there. officer not tell there. the officer did not tell him being openly jewish. him off for being openly jewish. he pointed out to him that by perhaps a clumsy form of words, but he's in a pressurised situation. by being there with his kippah on, he was exposing himself to significant risks. there was a likelihood of the breach of the king's peace. and if we're all sitting there behind our behind our screens at the moment saying the police should have facilitated his move across the road, doesn't do the people present think they should have done that? if it would have ended up taking 50 or 100 men with shields and to deal with shields and batons to deal with shields and batons to deal with what comes next, because thatis with what comes next, because that is the reality of let me finish, i didn't cut into anyone else. does does that is the reality of dealing with emotive crowds ? the fact of the matter crowds? the fact of the matter is gideon falter. that day went there to deliberately spark up

there to deliberately spark up the media he has achieved. >> okay, okay. >> okay, okay. >> but but his motive. he's kevin. kevin. his motive should really be irrelevant because he should be able to do that. i think that's sort of the point irrespective of his motives. so yes each of you, yes or no from each of you, gary, was he right threatened gary, was he right to threatened with or no ? gideon with arrest? yes or no? gideon was right do yes or no? yes was right to do yes or no? yes or he was so. but the or no? yes. he was so. but the police? was the police officer right threaten arrest ? right to threaten with arrest? yes no? no. okay yes or no? no, no. okay jonathan, yes or no ? jonathan, yes or no? >> i think i think it's a fairly obvious no from me. >> kevin hurley. yes or no ? >> kevin hurley. yes or no? >> kevin hurley. yes or no? >> the officer acted correctly. he was trying to protect yes or no because we're running out of time. so he didn't threaten with the officer, did not threaten him with arrest. he said yes, he did . he could potentially be did. he could potentially be arrested. the same thing. >> i mean, look , i think that's >> i mean, look, i think that's the thing. we're the same thing. i think we're splitting finally. splitting hairs. and finally. yes, no, doctor? rakib yes, or no, doctor? rakib hasan, yes or no? >> w- >> absolutely not. >> absolutely not. >> okay . right. well, thank you >> okay. right. well, thank you so much your thoughts.

so much for your thoughts. apologies. longer apologies. it couldn't be longer , a statement from , but here's a statement from the metropolitan police. a spokesperson we are aware spokesperson said we are aware of this video and fully acknowledge worry has acknowledge the worry it has caused, not only those caused, not only to those featured, who featured, but also anyone who watches review the watches it and will review the circumstance. have always circumstance. as we have always said, we recognise the said, that we recognise the conflicts and conflicts between israel and hamas continues be an issue conflicts between israel and haconcernitinues be an issue conflicts between israel and haconcern forjes be an issue conflicts between israel and haconcern for many be an issue conflicts between israel and haconcern for many londonerse conflicts between israel and haconcern for many londoners , of concern for many londoners, and this includes the regular protests marches central protests and marches in central london. has the right london. everyone has the right to travel throughout the capital city in safety. nana city in safety. well, i'm nana akua this is gb news still to come. great british debate. come. the great british debate. will to will the police write to threaten and threaten arrest? lizzie and matthew but first, matthew will be back. but first, let's latest . news. let's get your latest. news. >> good evening. it's 534. i'm sophia wenzler in the gb newsroom . your headlines. a newsroom. your headlines. a police apology has been welcomed by the government, but the home office says being jewish should never be seen as provocative. it's after a metropolitan police officer stopped campaign against anti—semitism. chief executive gideon falter from crossing a road near a propane palestinian

march, saying he's quite openly jewish. the home office, which says the comment is unacceptable , has written to the police commissioner and mayor of london. a spokesperson for sadiq khan described the met's handung khan described the met's handling of the incident as concerning today, pro—israel demonstrators are holding a peaceful counter protest in central london called enough is enough.the central london called enough is enough. the group says hatred has no place on the streets of the capital. musicians politicians and campaigners are rallying in glasgow, calling for another independence referendum. believe in scotland and pensioners for independence march from kelvin way to george square to hear from speakers including first minister humza yousaf . there were mixed yousaf. there were mixed feelings in the city with a counter—protest calling for the country to remain in the united kingdom . fire has caused kingdom. fire has caused significant damage to a historic pub in south—west london. thick black smoke was seen rising from the grade two listed building in mitcham . 80 firefighters battled

mitcham. 80 firefighters battled the blaze, which ripped through three floors and destroyed the roof of the derelict property . roof of the derelict property. the cause of the fire is being investigated and a two minute silence has been held , honouring silence has been held, honouring the english men and women who made the ultimate sacrifice as hundreds of army and naval cadets took part in a march past the cenotaph in central london to mark 130 years of the royal society of saint george . and for society of saint george. and for the latest stories, sign up to gb news alerts by scanning the qr code on your screen, or go to gb news .com/ alerts. now it's back to . nana. back to. nana. >> thank you sophia. coming up, it's clickbait. why is everyone leaving dubai ? lord balfe leaving dubai? lord balfe dubai. but next we continue with the great british debate. and i'm

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good afternoon. if you just tuned in, where have you been? there's only 21 minutes to go. it's gb news. i'm nana akua. we're live on tv, online and on digital radio. it's time now for the great british debate this houn the great british debate this hour. and i'm asking, will the great british debate this hour. and i'm asking , will the hour. and i'm asking, will the police to threaten arrest? hour. and i'm asking, will the policethe to threaten arrest? hour. and i'm asking, will the policethe metropolitan arrest? hour. and i'm asking, will the policethe metropolitan police’ hour. and i'm asking, will the policethe metropolitan police are now? the metropolitan police are under fire after officer was under fire after an officer was filmed jewish in filmed telling a jewish man in his that his presence was antagonising a pro—palestine march in london. >> you are quite openly jewish. this a pro—palestinian march, this is a pro—palestinian march, right? i'm not accusing you of anything, but i'm worried about the reaction to your presence. so in the video, which was shared by campaign against anti—semitism saturday's anti—semitism from saturday's march, the metropolitan police officer threaten officer then appears to threaten to arrest the man if he fails to remove himself. >> you have people here now. >> you have people here now. >> you'll be escorted out of this area . go about your this area. go about your business, go where you like freely if you choose to

freely or if you choose to remain here because you are causing a breach of some of. and if i remain here, you will arrest . your presence is arrest. your presence is antagonising a large group of people that we can't deal with all of them. if they attack you or they they push your presence or they they push your presence or antagonism . or antagonism. >> i mean, the man was says that he was simply trying to cross the road after going to the synagogue. was he unwise to be there kind of there during this kind of protest? minister, there during this kind of prote�*philp, minister, there during this kind of prote�*philp, now minister, there during this kind of prote�*philp, now said ister, there during this kind of prote�*philp, now said that chris philp, has now said that he will meet the metropolitan police commissioner, sir mark rowley, discuss concerns rowley, to discuss concerns after incident and this after the incident and this comes new polling comes following new polling suggesting only four out of ten people in england say they trust the police, especially the met, who lowest confidence who got the lowest confidence score. so for great british score. so for the great british debate i'm asking debate this hour, i'm asking whether right to whether the police right to threaten arrest. see threaten with arrest. let's see what of that. what my panel make of that. lizzie cundy matthew lizzie cundy and also matthew laza, yeah, mean laza, lizzie cundy. yeah, i mean , it's a terrible situation. >> as you know, i got caught up in marches myself, and one in these marches myself, and one of protesters asked me if of the protesters asked me if i was jewish, if i was a jew, wouldn't leave me alone. i

actually went up to a policeman and said, can you help me? i need to get to work. and i'm scared. and we're too scared. and he said, we're too fearful do anything , he said, fearful to do anything, he said, i'll get out of the area, which i'll get out of the area, which i couldn't , because there was a i couldn't, because there was a march the tube lines march and all the tube lines were closed and i couldn't get here. and i have to say , i'm here. and i have to say, i'm scared. and i and my friends who are jewish are frightened. they leave every weekend. this city, my friends that have now have actually gone back to israel saying they feel safer in israel than actually london. but i think we can't just keep blaming the police . we have to look the police. we have to look above this. and sadly, we have, poorly trained police, poorly educated and a lot that haven't been vetted properly. and we've got to look at the top at the government. i just don't think it's we're not going to get anywhere wagging our finger at the police. afraid . i think the police. i'm afraid. i think rowley a lot to answer for. rowley has a lot to answer for. so mayor of london. so does the mayor of london. >> matthew laza. >> matthew laza. >> yeah, i mean, i think the answer absolutely. the police answer is absolutely. the police were completely were wrong, completely wrong. i

mean, the officer obviously was out of his depth, but that's not really an excuse, but it is probably a reason. but then we've this absolute we've seen this absolute disgrace today with the met issuing and then issuing an apology and then having apology for having to issue an apology for the is when the apology. and this is when it's know, up it's gone, you know, right up the chain. i mean, the management chain. i mean, you would have thought the you would have thought that the commissioner seen commissioner himself had seen this i this as it's so sensitive. and i think were hearing in the think as we were hearing in the debate mean, just debate earlier, i mean, just think this was, know, think if this was, you know, this of colour this was a person of colour who'd told to march, who'd been told not to march, not to be. >> what people not to be. >> what does people always do? an black people. an example of black people. >> you know, we're all. >> well, you know, we're all. yeah. absolutely. or if yeah. yeah. or absolutely. or if it you know. no, it had been, you know. no, no, no, good point. no, that's a good point. >> always they go but. >> always do that. they go but. >> always do that. they go but. >> absolutely. know >> oh, absolutely. oh you know i'm literally waiting for us like for like wait for it. >> we've to look at these >> we've got to look at these marches i'm blushing. these marches now i'm blushing. these marches now i'm blushing. these marches day . you marches like groundhog day. you can't tell the marches are taking policeman . taking away the policeman. there's 1500 that are working today that would otherwise be absolutely ordinary. i mean, just take whether it's say it was an anti—gay rights march and it was it was a gay person, or say it was like a sort of, you

know, father's rights march. >> and a woman was told, you've got because got to move because you're a woman and you're antagonising them presence. them by your very presence. the truth is, that truth of the matter is, is that everybody to feel safe everybody needs to feel safe in our and can't have our streets, and we can't have one whoever that group one group, whoever that group is, agree or is, whether you agree or disagree can't disagree with him, you can't have one group dominated, the streets. that have one group dominated, the street people that have one group dominated, the street people they hat have one group dominated, the street people they can't . other people feel they can't. >> we all agree with that. we'd all agree with that. but the point we're discussing is point that we're discussing is whether right point that we're discussing is withreaten right point that we're discussing is withreaten with right point that we're discussing is withreaten with arrest right point that we're discussing is withreaten with arrest , right to threaten with arrest, potentially, because like, you know, you him for know, if you arrest him for kevin, the kevin was making a valid point that you know, and the police officer said that basically they're outnumbered. so for this man's own safety, he's saying, i like he's saying, i would like to remove you from the situation for your own safety. what would you if you what would you do you do if you what would you do in his position? >> i mean, first of all, >> well, i mean, first of all, we should the shouldn't we should the police shouldn't be protest and if be allowing a protest and if they feel that they're so outnumbered can't outnumbered that they can't protect the public, but by the nature protest, they will nature of a protest, they will be . yes, but if be outnumbered. yes, but if we've seen protests, when i was when was when i was when i was here, when i was young, know, i think we had young, you know, i think we had the of poll tax, the anniversary of the poll tax, protest day. i saw

protest the other day. i saw stuff social media. there protest the other day. i saw stuff rowsycial media. there protest the other day. i saw stuff rows and media. there protest the other day. i saw stuff rows and rows a. there protest the other day. i saw stuff rows and rows of there protest the other day. i saw stuff rows and rows of police in were rows and rows of police in riot were rows and rows of police in not the were rows and rows of police in riot the mob are we the >> let the mob rule. are we the police? supposed to be police? not supposed to be impartial, protect ev eryone? everyone? >> well, they but listen, everyone? >> ishowthey but listen, everyone? >> ishow isey but listen, everyone? >> ishow is nothing ut listen, everyone? >> ishow is nothing without, everyone? >> ishow is nothing without you this show is nothing without you and let's welcome and your views. let's welcome our their our great british voices. their opportunity show opportunity to be on the show and they think and tell us what they think about we're about the topics we're discussing, four of discussing, right. all four of you. well, let's go to. you. lovely. well, let's go to. who lee who should we go to first, lee harris, you. lee >> absolutely not. >> absolutely not. >> nana. i could not believe my eyes when i saw this clip yet again. the met police have behaved appallingly here. you know, week after week , london's know, week after week, london's been taken over by these anti—israel hate marches, and we've seen open support for terrorists, genocidal chanting, anti—semitic placards and a huge increase in anti—semitism. and our two tier police have mostly sat back and done nothing. and now we've reached a terrifying point where a jewish man isn't allowed to cross a road and be threatened with arrest because apparently being openly jewish will antagonise hate mob. will antagonise the hate mob. well, they've apologised. >> the >> they've apologised for the wording . but but yeah, but i've wording. but but yeah, but i've got to come to brian dugan on

this. so brian, surely if you were in that crowd or you were the jewish person there to be removed from it would be for your own safety? is he right? was he right? >> i get your point entirely . >> i get your point entirely. nana, and you certainly could take that tack. i do feel, though, if you put yourself in the shoes of the person who was described as openly jewish, if i was described as being openly irish, and a policeman said to me that if you if you remove yourself, sir, i might have to remove you and your breach of the peace . i don't think i'd the peace. i don't think i'd take that terribly well, nana, and i can understand, therefore, why this particular gentleman hasn't hasn't really taken that well, either. and i think the guy was a bit cack handed, in terms of how he confronted , the terms of how he confronted, the person just stood there. we all have a right to stand by, and we all have a right to be protected in terms of this. but i think

that the put themselves in glory. >> again, audio is flipping in and so i'm going to go to and out. so i'm going to go to david david high. david baume david high. >> know , i am jewish. >> now as you know, i am jewish. >> now as you know, i am jewish. >> i have prejudice bias >> i have i'm prejudice or bias on this issue. >> only jewish. >> only jewish. >> i'm only jewish. >> only jewish. >> i'm openlywish. >> only jewish. >> i'm openly black. >> i'm openly black. >> in fact, tomorrow i'm running the marathon. i'm wearing the yellow them yellow ribbon of bring them home, this all on home, so i blame this all on sadiq khan. he has forever stopped and the police are not allowed to act in the interest of the public. he's allowed protests to go ahead, which are openly anti—jewish , anti—semitic openly anti—jewish, anti—semitic and calling for the death of israel and every jew, not everybody on those protests. >> so they would argue that they're protesting for peace and for being killed for those who are being killed in in gaza. that's you know, i know not point , but know it's not the point, but certainly have a new mayor of london. >> the sooner hopefully things can get better. >> well, let's hope it's. well, you be you never know. it might be him again. right. again. who knows? right. let's go webb . go to leigh webb. >> this is pure politicisation of the police , when you have a

of the police, when you have a protest, the police need to make sure that they're able to allow that protest , but also allow that protest, but also allow a counter protest against it. >> and that's what always used to happen, in all the protests that i've seen, when you have sort of like edl marches , sort of like edl marches, there's always going to be a counter protest. >> you must make, room for that. yeah, and it's the same with far right protests. you must make room. >> we get the point. so, so were they right then, was the police officer right, though, to say , officer right, though, to say, look, absolutely not. >> case, was an >> in this case, it was an individual . >> in this case, it was an individual. but had it been somebody counter protesting, they be allowing that they should be allowing that counter protest to happen as well. >> e“- el!— >> all right. well, listen, thank you for a great thank you so much for a great british lee harris, british voices. lee harris, david webb and brian david balme, lee webb and brian doogan. right. doogan. thank you. right. so what thoughts? what are your thoughts? get in touch gbnews.com/yoursay coming touch. gbnews.com/yoursay coming up, my quick quiz. i'm going to test the panel with some of the topics that have caught their eye. next out. clip eight.

right. so, this week on clickbait . why is everybody clickbait. why is everybody leaving dubai? dubai . so this is leaving dubai? dubai. so this is a storm basically battered the uae on tuesday, causing flash floods and bringing travel through to the airport to a halt. more than 800 flights to passing their international airport delayed over airport were delayed over thursday and friday. lizzy and matthew, what do you make of that ? you've got 10s? that? you've got about 10s? >> friend there. he >> well, my friend is there. he just house in dubai, just bought a house in dubai, totally it was like totally flooded, so it was like nothing actually nothing else. it went actually black at 2 pm. with the skies just and then just went black. and then they thought was and it thought it was over. and then it started again. worse, it started again. even worse, it was never seen was absolutely never seen anything like it. >> like $1 billion house. >> it was like $1 billion house. yeah >> you've got posher >> you've got much posher friends i do indeed friends than me. i do indeed i do, yeah. >> nothing. matthew. right. it's time for the quick pop quiz, the part of the show where i test my panel of the stories

panel and some of the stories that headlines that are hitting the headlines right now. lizzie cundy, your buzzer, please. matthew, your buzzer, please. matthew, your buzzer , please. lovely. question buzzer, please. matthew, your buzzpleaseease. lovely. question buzzer, please. matthew, your buzzplease play lovely. question buzzer, please. matthew, your buzzplease play lovely at uestion one please play along at home. diplomat victoria harrison was announced as the uk's first fully ambassador . fully blind overseas ambassador. but to which country was it? a serbia or c slovenia, serbia b slovakia or c slovenia, lizzie cundy see was that slovenia, slovenia, slovakia, slovakia b let's see. the answer is c yes that's right. miss harrison developed a condition that gradually worsened throughout her teens before eventually losing sight eventually losing her sight after sad after university. very sad question . two closest answer question. two closest answer wins a missing dog turned up 2000 miles away from the owner's home. but how long was the dog missing for matthew laza? >> four months. >> four months. >> lizzie cundy three months. the answer is nine months. he travelled from california to michigan . he was like the michigan. he was like the littlest hobo. well done one all. question three true or false? an escaped racehorse joined commuters at the train station in australia and waited behind the yellow line. haha. i think it was matthew laza . hey think it was matthew laza. hey true it's true lizzie cundy it

is true. >> i know this is true. >> i know this is true. >> it is true. >> it is true. >> of course it isn't. >>— >> of course it isn't. >> believe it. yes it waited behind the yellow line and then trotted the platform before trotted down the platform before pausing train's pausing ahead of the train's arrival. in the arrival. question four. in the world of cryptocurrency, what event took place yesterday for the digital currency? open, open. >> come on. i have no idea. come on. quick! >> no, nothing. >> no, nothing. >> pass the bitcoin halving event, which takes place every four years, which inevitably drives the price up. >> question five. final question what? this multiple choice . what? this is multiple choice. what form of footballer is currently being investigated by the tweets online? the police over tweets online? is it a gareth bale, b jerry barton or c megxit kwasi. lizzie cundy vie joey barton. >> i think it's joey barton as well, i'll bet another one well, but i'll bet another one c now it's b you're right. >> cheshire police lizzie cundy well done. cheshire police said that they've made multiple attempts arrange voluntary attempts to arrange a voluntary interview with the man from liverpool. so congratulations. the winner is lizzie cundy on today's show i've been asking should benefits be axed after a year on dole ? according to

year on the dole? according to our poll, 79% of say our twitter poll, 79% of you say yes. sensible people . 21% yes. very sensible people. 21% of say no. thank you so much of you say no. thank you so much to my panel author and also broadcaster lizzie cundy. thank you. and also former labour party adviser matthew laza . party adviser matthew laza. thank you and huge thank you to you at home for your company. i look forward to seeing you tomorrow. same same place. tomorrow. same time, same place. we'll saturday we'll leave you the saturday five is the way. stay tuned. five is on the way. stay tuned. loads come here on . gb news. >> looks like things are heating up. boxt boilers. sponsors of weather on gb news. >> good evening. welcome to your latest gb news weather from the met office. high pressure is sticking around through the rest of the weekend, but we will start see some rain arriving start to see some rain arriving in north. but that in the north. but it is that area of pressure that will area of high pressure that will be weather. so be dominating our weather. so bringing us some more settled conditions. these bringing us some more settled conditi0|fronts these bringing us some more settled conditi0|fronts out these bringing us some more settled conditi0|fronts out to these bringing us some more settled conditi0|fronts out to thee bringing us some more settled conditi0|fronts out to the north weather fronts out to the north will bring us a bit more in the way as we head through way of rain as we head through sunday the week.

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