>> this will impact my life for years to come. >> mischele was disappointed with the news but has moved on with her life. she said she hopes to protect other women by changing new jersey law to make rape by deception not only a crime of the heart of prosecutable defense. she will have a great future ahead of her, arms and eyes wide open. >> she will get her happy ever after. she can rest knowing that will jordan is not going to have a happily ever after, not with her anyway. hopefully not with anybody ever again >> that is all for this edition of dateline. i'm craig melvin . thank you for watching.

>> you're not saying this purse. no. i'm not saying this. y t bill barr.>> he said it would be a nightmare. >> a horror show. a nightmare. >> yeah. i'm sure he's going to be gh campaigning for president biden tor stop this. >> to try to avoid a horror show. >> who once chaos in the white house? oh >> bill barr now says he plans to vote for donald trump in november. do these guys know -- anyhow, in a foxnews anyhow yesterday bill barr was asked about this year's general election choices. here's what he had to say.

>> i've given two choices. i think it's my duty to pick the person i think we do the least harm to mike country. in my mind i will support the republican ticket but i think the real danger of the country, the real danger to democracy is i say, the progressive agenda. and well trump, i said trump may be playing russian us roulette, but continuation of the biden administration is s national suicide, in my opinion. >> that is just such a lion he . knows it's a lie. this is, we're going to play some clips in a second, but i just have to stop. we've got to stop and call out the lies. when these people know that they are lying. bill barr is playing, i guess for a foxnews audience, because he wants to keep giving speeches. i don't know why he's doing it. he doesn't believe a word he oe just said they are. because he knows how chaotic donald trump is. he knows, as he said, him being

in the white house again would be a horror show. he also knows, listen, bill barr, you and i, we all agree on the progressive agenda. we are not supporters of it. rs we also know that joe biden has spent his presidency, like, feeling pressure from progressives, because they say he is too moderate. this guy from delaware, who again is not some left-wing wacko. bar knows that. but he would rather have chaos and a horror show, he says. that guy is going to vote for, listen, i have been through this before with people. they talk that way on tv. afterwards i asked them who did they vote for? oh, i voted for,r you know, is going to vote for joe biden, because he knows national suicide doesn't come from joe biden. it comes because donald trump tr

has said terminate the constitution, he's going to be a dictator from day one. he's going to use seal team six to execute his political opponents if you want to anybody can do anything about it. i can go down the line. barr knows . this guy can't be president again. >> he knows it. this is a choice. this is one of those wtf moments where you have donald trump waging this campaign to undermine the rule of law. bill barr knows all of this. he has decided it's a binary choice, because in his world in order to stay relevant and viable he has to put party over country. literally. when he uses a phrase russian roulette, when he uses the term russian roulette he knows the danger he poses. he doesn't have to do this. look, what is extraordinary is the contrast between what bill barr is saying and what the former secretary of defense

mike esper is saying. mike pence is saying i'm not going to endorse him. h there are exit ramps. you are not required to look at donald trump and say, okay, because i don't like student loan forgiveness i'm going to put a man who is clearly unhinged, who clearly try to overthrow the government, we could spend the next 10 minutes walking through all of the things, somebody who has been so found liable for rape, put them back in the low -- the oval office. i do think it's interesting the contrast between bill barr and much of the rest of the cabinet. we need to remind ourselves that never before in american history has so many people who work so closely with a president taken the position that don't do this again. we have seen him. he is unfit for office. you do not want him back in the oval office. the fact that bill barr reminds us that he is a political hack

is, of course, interesting. but also realize what he and nd people like governor sununu aren going to have to defend but they're basically going to haveh to say, and this is radical, i mean, we ought to continue to be surprised by this up until like five minutes ago nobody in america would say a convicted felon should be elected president of the united states. now they are all saying it up and down the ticket. they have to defend what peter weiner calls the kaleidoscopic, kaleidoscopic corruption of donald trump. this is not just chris sununu, not just bill barr. un up and down the ticket they're going to have to explain that, yeah, we talk about this man's character, we don't care about how deranged he is, we do care g about his crimes or what he intends to do as president and the fact that bill barr says ys that it's russian roulette for the country to put donald trump back in the presidency and he's

okay with that. what a remarkable moment. >> what a remarkable room moment you are right. he owns it. chris sununu owns it. judge has said trump is a . he said he's going to terminate the constitution on day one. said he's going to be a dictator on day one. of course, january the sixth continuing to praise people that beat the out of cops and were ultimately responsible for the death of four police officers, according to their families. fa they own all of this. and so much more. >> barr is just the latest in a long line of republicans who found the courage to stand up to donald trump only to then come crawling back again. take a look. >> we are tired of the donald trump drama. we want to have real publican drama. if he's off the teleprompter he could barely keep a coach and thought. >> you support the present even he is committed in classified documents, even fi though you believe he

contributed to an insurrection. even though he's lying about the last election. you support him for president n. even if he's convicted in a manhattan case. i want to just be clear, the answer to that is yes, right? >> yeah. me and 51% of america. >> he's a race baiting xena public religious bigot. he doesn't represent my party. i'm for donald trump as i know what i'm going to get. we need somebody that on day one can get this country back on track. please help president trump. if you can afford five dollars or $10, if you can't afford a dollar, fine, just pray. if you got any money to give, give it. >> there's no way we are going to allow a con artist to take over the conservative movement and donald trump is a con artist go >> you said it would be an mp y honor to be offered a spot at his ticket, really? >> anybodyck should be on it. i think the country in the world was a better place when he was president would love to see him return to the white house. >> there's a sophomoric quality that's entertaining about mr.

trump got very concerned about having him charge of nuclear weapons, because i think his response, his visceral response to attack people on their appearance, short, tall, fat, ugly, my goodness, that happened in junior high. are we that way above that? y would we not all be worried to n have someone like that in charge of the nuclear arsenal? >> i'm proud of the job donald trump has done as president. i don't know is agree with him, but there are occasional policy out.-- differences that are far outweighed by his ou accomplishment. president trump gets things done. >> the president bears responsibility for wednesday's attack on congress pby bob -- writers. he should've immediately denounced the mob when he saw what was unfolding. >> can he count on your support? >> yes. >> that's an endorsementngan. >> i will support president trump. >> would you be willing to serve in a trump cabinet? >> in the right position. if i'm the best person for the job, yes go

>> i don't want to claim this guy. donald trump, if we are going to be honest, is a progressive. he supports imminent domain. he supported rotax increases. h has donated $300,000 to democratic candidates at the factory the republican party is now having to claim him as both unfortunate and to me inauthentic. >> i want my daughter to otgrow up in president donald j trump's america. >>, my goodness. she became the white house press secretary after all of her criticism. jen, aryou just, we talk about this a lot, but how those l people look themselves in the mirror as their souls escape their bodies through their mouths while they make this conversion. i want to add in that this all started with bill barr. he has been extraordinarily critical of donald trump in the last couple of years? calling the attempt to overturn the lake 10 a grotesque embarrassment. sing a vote for donald trump is like laying russian roulette withss the country. he has been supportive of the

doj in its pursuit of these trials against donald trump, saying there is no weaponization, this is the department of justice doing its job. he's impressed by the jack smith in time of year keep him as he said if what is true in the case is to donald trump is, quote, toes. yet here he is saying he's got my vote. >> i am shocked. we shouldn't be shocked. it's like the least surprising ever. of course, bill barr supports trump. i really thought given all of the cabinet that has walked away from him, which is a stork in its own right, i really in thought that bill barr would actually not support him this time. i thought we could count on i that. and its poor willie had to live through all my gestations of outrage. watching that last clip of all of these cowards that eventually went his way. i will never understand this. i will never understand this. i will never understand. it's not that great being an relevant. it's not.

i will eanever understand how i is worth it to them. it's interesting when he contrast that with what is happening with mike johnson, who seems to have really taken to, taken hold on him that he is the speaker of the united states house of representatives. that meeting had with president biden, mitchi mcconnell and hakeem jeffries and chuck schumer and vice president harris where they really gave it the cebusiness about i'm not sure what you understand we we are doing here, but we stand up to russia when they are being adversarial in this way.>> we have lots more to get to. morning joe weekend continues after a short break.

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that this country is on a perilous course and because i have such strong feelings about what must be done and i feel that i am obliged to do all that i can.>> that was then sent to -- senator robert f kennedy announcing his 1968 presidential campaign. in the decades since kennedy and that speech have served as inspiration for future leaders, including president biden and so much of bobby kennedy's life has inspired me. i've long said even when i was a conservative republican, that it was what bobby kennedy did on june 6, 1966 in south africa . it's what he did on april 4th, 1968 in indianapolis. it's what he did throughout his

entire life that made me believe, regardless of ideology, regardless of background, that we americans could bend history for the better. that's what he talked about in south africa. how people coming together could bend history. such an inspiration to so many people. right now this senators daughter , human rights activists, cary kennedy. thank you so much for being with us. so greatly appreciate the work that you do your in and year out. i understand that you are going to be making an endorsement later today and philadelphia. tell me about it. >> first of all, joe, thank you so much for showing that clip and for your years and years and years of support of everything that we do. and your such kind and heart

well -- heartfelt warmth towards my father and my family. thank you. we are here in philadelphia with my siblings representing my first cousins, all of whom, with the exception of two, all who are supporting joe biden for re-election. we are doing that because we feel that the stakes are so high . you just showed that clip of daddy in which he said i cannot stand aside. we cannot stand aside when we have, we are up against a man who says he wants to be a dictator on day one. who says he is going to change the constitution, so he can go after his enemies. he has cozied up to dictators from

putin to kim l own. we need to stop trump we need to elect joe biden, who has always stood with the middle class. who has brought us over 14 million new jobs, 800,000 manufacturing jobs and who cares about the middle class and working class in america.>> kerry, as somebody who never knew your father, but learned about him and read about him. and somebody who knows bobby junior. i have always liked bobby junior. i've always liked him. but it is so jarring to me as an outsider to see somebody carrying your father's name who is, again, a hero of mine, a hero of millions, but to see

him running the campaign he is running and having donald trump's biggest supporters support him too in an election that is a zero-sum game. it's about democracy. it's about diversity. it's about equality. it's about america moving towards being that more perfect union that you fight for every day. i have to ask, what does it do to you to see his campaign out there and the rest of your family?>> you know, i think you put your finger right on it. this is a campaign about, and the stakes are so high, it's about democracy. it's about freedom. it's about the people, the america, not only our country, but all around the world. that's why it's so important for every single person to come out and vote. use your

franchise. if everybody votes biden wins. but right now this is going to be a very, very close election. we can't have people voting for third parties. no matter who they are. in every family we have, you know, americans have diverse issues. you have to love your family members. you don't have to like them. i love bobby and i like bobby, but this campaign is not about bobby. this campaign is about trump versus biden. and what we need to do today is focused on biden winning. we all have to vote, get your friends to vote. bring your communities together and vote for joe biden. a vote for anyone else is a vote for trump. coming up for the second time in two weeks, arizona lawmakers rejected an attempt

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of the community. >> let's go back to that era. the danger to women's lives, as well as to our right to make our own decisions about our bodies and ourselves, is so profound. there's another element to it, which i find so troubling. there's a kind of cruelty to it. i mean, no exceptions for rape, incest , really? what kind of world is that? >> and also, i have been pregnant twice hospitalized both times. really, i asked god, this is a real thing to just take me and my son in the hospital the second time. i was, like, it's the worst thing. i didn't know i would get emotional. sorry. >> it's okay. because you are speaking for so many. you're speaking for literally millions of women in our country and around the world. >> it was just the worst. >> some guys sitting in a supreme court in arizona or

legislature -- >> to make women through that. it was my decision. i'm so glad i did, because i love my babies, but to make someone. >> there is a cruelty toward women, towards women's lives. >> and you don't realize how hard it is. the fact that you would take that away from someone that can literally kill them, the fact if they are raped by their family member. it's just insane to me. >> that was incredible. in fact, the man who wrote that law, to continue on what secretary clinton was saying, was even worse than the description she was given. william claude jones, reportedly abducted his 12-year- old bride. abandoned another wife completely and impregnated yet another when she was just 14. so, he raped them and impregnated them and created a

law that forced them to bear his children. >> you know, as i was watching that i was thinking about how -- >> wow. >> -- i can't think of a dayside host, and extremely popular show, a general show, willie -- >> a daytime talk show, yeah.>> -- a daytime talk show where they would bring up abortion and talk so passionately about it. watching that it just really hit me again how mainstream this has become. this is not a left-wing issue. this is not a women's issue. this is not a democratic issue. this is an issue that we now see , and this is great evidence of it, is mainstream. 60 to 70% of americans going

what are you doing? you can't risk a woman's life. because you want to make some point if you are a judge or a state legislature. it's really incredible. just how mainstream this issue has become. since roe was overturned. and the political earthquake it has caused. >> and carrie lake is running for the hills. >> carrie lake is top of the list of scared of what she used to say. >> yeah. this conversation has been pushed into mainstream by the dobbs, over reversing of roe versus wade almost two years ago now. almost everything we have seen since, all the fallout. there's a reason donald trump is twisted and that's when he talks about abortion and won't answer once he -- if you was a national abortion ban. carrie lake and others are twisted in knots talking about abortion. the dog, as you say, caught the

car and now doesn't know what to do with it and is seeing what it means to have caught the car. for so many women across this country what a beautiful moment from kelly clarkson to stop and >> in that way on her own show with secretary clinton. let's talk about that race in arizona and carrie lake. joining us now ruben gallego of arizona. member of the house armed services committee, anne-marie -- marine corps combat veteran and now candidate for u.s. senate. thank you for being with us today. can you >> about the fallout, just in the days since this ruling that in 1864 abortion law is in fact enforceable, according to the supreme court in arizona? first and foremost, talk about the politics later, but what it means for women in the state of arizona. >> it's horrific. there's just no other way about it. women are scared. and they should be. there is no exceptions to this law. for cgtn -- raped or incest . it will jill providers.

they are scared. we are only a state that has the most restrictive ban in the country and then you have politicians that are all of the place. they largely were for this, until they caught the car, as you said. >> player. >> yeah. congressman, i first would like you to talk a little bit about carrie lake and her, really, just outright lying about how she talked about this law as a great law. she did so with great specificity. she actually said, named the law by number and said it was a great law. as somebody who fought for this country and for the rights of americans i would love your take on her advice to people to strap on a glock in a political

context. and what that means to most arizonans. i just can't imagine that those independent voters that you are going to need for ones that don't necessarily call themselves democrats, is she going too far or does she have her finger on the pulse? >> first of all, is not just independence. we have lived with this. kathy giffords was shot with that same style of pistol. and many other arizonans were killed. we don't need that. not post january 6. this is who carrie lake is. she would say anything or do anything for power. she thinks that she can scare people. she thinks she can bully people. arizona is not that way. we are a state that values each other. we are a state, we are friends. and for me it's even, you know, it's very personal for me too. serving my country was the biggest honor in the world.

i had to use my weapon to defend marines and other civilians. for her to use violence so flippantly just shows you what type of person she is. it's dangerous out there. that type of rhetoric is not becoming of a leader. and arizonans will reject that. and they have in the past and will again. >> congressman, the arizona supreme court with this ruling taking country, taking the state of arizona back to 1864 is that the first step backward that the mager republican party has involved itself in. there's a guy sitting this morning in new york state court, now this morning, but in new york state court on trial. the trial that the people of arizona are having involves other elements of life. they still want to rollback obamacare to take that from people. as you go around the state campaigning what issues, what issues pop up the most,

immigration or abortion or just the general theme of losing things that they already have? >> abortion rights were the top of people's minds before the court case. now it's thermonuclear. women and their families are concerned that you have politicians like kari lake who says you can just drive three hours for an abortion if you need it but you have to drive three hours for a medical procedure. sometimes a life-saving medical procedure. that's talk about and to kari lake has about this immigration is up there. and we talk about this all the time. i visit the border a lot. i have talked to our border mayors, county sheriff's, things of that nature all the time. they're hopping now that we could not pass a border bill. i say we, it was blocked by the kari lake's of the world who told people to block it even before reading it. >> up next, historic dashes during doors good one joins us

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this is secretary rathbun. good when he came to us about three years ago. he was a brilliant law clerk. he had a brilliant record at harvard law school and had been working as an assistant. he is particularly concerned about latin america.

therefore, its implementation now -- >> wow. that's president john f. kennedy speaking to nbc news in 1961 about a young staffer named good one. joining us now is pulitzer prize winning author, presidential historian, doris kearns goodwin. her book out today is called an unfinished love story, a professional history of the 1960s. doris, it's so good to see you. you have written a lot of books. this one is special for all the obvious reasons. so much we were just talking about boxes and boxes that had from his years serving under p kennedy. -- president kennedy. how did you approach such project differently than all of the different biographies that you have written? >> he saved 300 boxes that were a time capsule of the 60s. he worked with jackie kennedy, lbj, his chief be try to,

senator mccarthy of new hampshire. he was with bobby kennedy when he died. he was everywhere there. he wouldn't open these boxes. i knew there was great stuff them. because he was so sad at the way the decade had ended. martin luther king killed, he was with bobby kennedy when he died. and the riots in the streets and the violence in the antiwar movement finally, he comes down the stairs, it's time, it's time, it's now or never. if i have any wisdom to dispense. we spent the last -- last years of our lives relieving the 60s. we started with kennedy and went to the end of the decade together. >> at one point he did show me something out of the boxes. we were talking about the war and lyndon johnson and he went and got an old speech that he had written for linda johnson prior to his departure and he had notations on the side indicating he didn't know which way johnson will go on the war. but we now know. what was dick's mood then that

you reflected on, having looked at everything in the boxes? his mood toward lyndon johnson and the increased escalation in vietnam? >> one of the things that happen for dick and me is that i was a jeh johnson loyalist. i ended up working for him in the last days of his white house and helped him on his memoirs. while i have been antiwar activist i had such great respect for what he did domestically. immigration reform, everything. dick was a kennedy loyalist. it was a fault line between the two. after the were escalated he was sent to johnson. he loved him so much, he was involved in doing the selma speech right after bloody sunday. it was dick's proudest moment in public life. that speech. after that speech was over where johnson went right after voting rights and talked about the idea of what america stood for and how we have the freedom writers and the people marching were the real heroes, they had made this happen.

he said god, how i love linda johnson. i never could have imagined that two years later i would be marching against him in the streets. >> we shall overcome. >> we shall overcome. that was moment, he was working on the speech, he had only that day to work on that speech, nine hours. he had to be ready at 6:00. he put his watch away, as if he would put his watch away would have to worry about time. he kept working and pages were going out to lyndon johnson, who is screaming outside, but knows that he can't pressure dick because he only has a day to write that speech. he takes a break . mike and he used to smoke cigars together. he went out here these young people singing we shall overcome. he came back in and then he added that passage into the speech after he talked about not in or the problem, not a southern problem, not a states right problem, not a constitutional problem. the constitutional command is clear. it's not even a moral problem, it's dead wrong. and that he was able to say but even if we get this done the

full blessings will take a lot longer, but we have to fight for it. and we shall overcome. that's a moment when change happens. as you know, eddie, when the outside movement fires the conscious of the people and it happens. he loved him so much that he got so angry with the war had on dumb things. in this last years of his life, you saw is in those last years, he retained a remembrance of what was great about lyndon johnson, what was great about the country before the war. and he began to come to terms with johnson. it made him a happier person. it made him feel for field. he had done something that mattered in the country and done something great that matter. it was all still there despite the war in vietnam appears. we have an extraordinary audio clip from 1960. a conversation between president johnson and bill moyers. it was his conversation that sets the stage for dick good one's return to the white house. he wouldn't know it would take place until decades later.

>> while. can he put the music to it x can he put a little sex in it? as we said, dick didn't know that conversation had taken place until much later. what you think when you hear

that conversation? >> i feel like nosy neighbors listening on a partyline. he realized this is what got me to go to work for lbj. not long after that conversation dick is called to a meeting by mel morris with lyndon johnson, they want to come up with a vision for what johnson's program is going to be. he was getting the civil rights bill through, the tax bill through, he wanted his own johnson program. the meeting took place in a pool rather than the office. they come and johnson is swimming naked in the pool. there is bill and dick standing with their suits on. he says, come on in boys, don't be squeamish as a swim in the pool he says i want to have my own program. they outline will be the great society. that becomes the first big speech that my husband worked on. he comes up with the phrase great society. medicare, medicaid, everything that will become uniting congress. >> that's some image. >> for the history nerds. >> now you know the rest of the

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own team. but you won't like them. they are all -- mad. >> they will need to be prince. that is a look at the star- studded new film, the ministry of ungentlemanly warfare, which its theaters this friday. it's -- during world war ii. the man behind that film is responsible for classics, movies, franchises like top gun, bad boys, national treasure pirates of the caribbean and many more. he is one of the most successful in history of the business with films grossing more than $13 billion over his career. joining us now legendary film producer, jerry brock,. it's so great to have you here with us. >> it's a pleasure to be here. >> i told you we were going down your resume. my gosh he did that and that and that. we don't have time to even list them all. this follows in that tradition. what we were just saying is i

love that it's based on a real story and a note it that none of us had ever heard of until we started hearing your story. >> what happened is the british are very, very regimented. and you fight wore a certain way. churchill was losing the war. he was having a terrible time. so there was this space that's off the coast, i think, of africa, that was controlled by the spanish. spanish words in the were yet. they were refueling and fixing all the u-boats. so, they figured out that if they destroyed the space by destroying these ships that help -- had all the equipment on it that would help. the u-boats were destroying all the food and everything that was coming into england at the time, so they were starving. beyond being bombed every night. we picked these seven or eight guys who were total misfits. the army didn't want them in, because they wouldn't listen to orders. he sent to them over there to destroy these ships when they

got there they were supposed to blow them up. when they got there the holes were reinforced, so they couldn't blow them up. what they did is they actually stole them. they got tugboats and dragged them out into the ocean and gave them over to the british navy. it was really an amazing feat that they did. everyone of these guys went on to other missions. none of them survived the war. they were all killed. what i love to do is make movies that educate and entertain. this particular unit should be remembered and the brits will now remember in the world will remember all of these men who were really heroic. >> is what we expect from you. it's a thrilling will be, a lot going on, but it's fun. it's rooted in history produce said it was just declassified within the last few years. >> that's right. the book has more missions, which hopefully if this becomes a success we will do some more. >> i have a sneaking suspicion is going to be a success. >> i would too. educate and entertain.

that's your theme for making movies. you have made some unbelievable movies. when i say movies i want to cap it, movies come in the largest sense? movies the way we used to be familiar with movies. your business has changed drastically. getting money to make will be's has been harder and harder and harder. how do you separate yourselves, and you have managed to do it quite successfully, in making the kind of movies that you can't wait to stand in line and by to get and go see? >> fortunately, hollywood is a place that everything rises to the top. if you have good ideas, good talent they will make them. that's what you do. you got together talent. that's what we do as producers. we find the material, get the talent to find a great director, take it to the studios and if they like it you get it made. >> talk to us about this shoot. it was filmed in turkey, is that right? >> that's right. >> tell us about some of the cast. some names we know. >> isaac gonzales is phenomenal. hero is terrific. he was one of the harry potter's.

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it is 7:00 a.m. this saturday morning and we have a lot more to cover. let's dive right in. >> nbc news and political analyst, former member of the senate arms committee, claire mccaskill and john holman is here with us for the fourth hour as well as former chief policy advisor for mitt romney's 2020 presidential campaign, lonnie chin. glad to have you with us. >> john, i said earlier today that if democrats want to run against house republicans come all they need to do is use the words of house republicans. talking about chip boy who says we have done nothing here or the chair of the gop until committee saying that these people just chew up and absorb russian propaganda and spit it back out or we could take what dan crenshaw said mocking his own party

members, just saying, they want russia to win in the war against ukraine. here's what he said yesterday on capitol hill. >> i guess the reasoning is they want russia to win so badly that they want to oust the speaker over him. it is a strange position to take. i think they want to be in the minority too. it is an obvious reality. >> it is so understated but he goes, they want russia to win so badly. a strange position to take. very strange that you have backbenchers from world districts that are spewing russian propaganda points. kind of hard to explain that to the general

full campaign. >> it is one more thing that comes down to the simple but disturbing reality which is the republican party has become the party of trump. it's baffling at the level of political logic and we have talked about this time and time again. many of the positions donald trump advocates and enforces on the republican caucus and the house are positions that is a politically toxic one. >> there certainly politically toxic to republican members of the house that are in marginal swing districts. trump says what to do and they follow his lead. you end up with situations where more -- publicans like dan crenshaw or stone. the truth of it is that on some basic level, a lot of members do in fact preferred to be in

the minority than the majority. they are much more comfortable in a position of opposition then they are in a position of having to govern anything and some of them think they want to be in the majority but they don't really want to be in the majority but doing things more sensibly politically. and you are right. let's string together every, like dan crenshaw's. if you are a strategist on the democratic side, we are retaking republican percent words and using them against other republicans. >> they want russia to win. that is what he said. and you have the most powerful chairman on the hill when it comes to foreign policy saying republican members are parroting russian propaganda points. they are saying it. not the new york times editorial page or msnbc primetime. they are saying it. >> think about what ukraine is doing for our safety and the safety of the world. the wall street journal

editorial board has a new piece this morning and it says my johnson makes his case in ukraine. it reads "mr. johnson deserves credit for his show conviction which represents the best of the gop in the tradition of ronald reagan. the republican malcontents are shouting about supposed betrayal that mr. johnson should focus on the crisis at the southern border but they know that they pass border measures in a heartbeat. if he had the votes in the house, the options are to consign ukraine to defeat or try to hold the line against mr. vladimir putin and the latter is still possible. even after months of washington did during. mr. johnson's behavior is called leadership and the gop would be more popular and better able to govern if more of its members showed such and medal themselves or have more respect for those who demonstrate it. claire mccaskill, do you agree

with this piece in the wall street journal? and mike johnson, is he indeed showing leadership? >> it has taken him a while. it has been a slow start. i think he was in over his head. he was very indecisive and very uncomfortable leading and uncomfortable confronting the crazy caucus which has been driving this clown car now for a while. but keep in mind that the people doing this are in very safe districts. and they have one simple equation. if we are's lavishly loyal to donald trump who definitely wants russia to win and if we do performance politics, if we somehow managed to get time on morning joe and get time on all of these different outlets, then we raise more money. it is clicks for cash. that is the new model for these

folks that are on the fringes. and it is very unhealthy for our democracy. i applaud mike johnson for finally getting his act together and i do think all the bills will pass although i think the numbers will be different. i think we see democrats fall away on the aid for israel and i think you will see some republicans fall away on the aid to ukraine because of donald trump loving putin. >> which is fascinating that you actually have the former party of ronald reagan. ukraine, as much as they are. but you look at what this republican house has done and whether it is betraying ukraine, turning there back on israel funding or butchering taiwan, sending a horrible message to president xi again,

as mike mccall and other republicans have said in leadership positions, and fisa. donald trump does not like fisa. they tried to get in the way of continuing the fisa program despite the fact that they know that is how we stop foreign terrorists. it does look like mike johnson is the wall street journal editorial page. it looks like mike johnson has realized you can't negotiate with these people. you have to run them over. >> i think my johnson made the decision he is going to govern and i think that is very admiral decision. the question going forward of course is, what does this mean for the last several debates after this. you mentioned fisa. that is a great question. what is going to happen on that is totally they can get aid for ukraine in israel and taiwan across the finish line almost in the form of coalition government in terms of what we

are seeing now. what comes next? are they going to be able to govern? i hope so. i think in some ways, this is a promising trend in terms of bringing parties together to cooperate on issues where there is bipartisan consensus. we know that foreign aid is more than just giving money to other countries but about advancing american interests by helping our friends and allies around the world. that is why it is so important. you go beyond that to questions round public policy and the domestics sphere and the economic sphere. are the other areas where we can see things get done in an election? in an election year, it is always tough. i think we have to look at the trend and recognize how unique a moment this is. we have been stuck in this horrible political paralysis and now we have a decision from a republican speaker to say, i will set aside what might be my future career as speaker and work with democrats to get this done and that is admirable. >> it is one thing being a

backbencher but another thing being on the armed services committee where you get until briefings. when you get the first intel briefing, when my johnson gets the first intel briefing on what fisa is really about instead of what donald trump says it is about, you suddenly realize the terrorist threats, whether it is from isis or al- qaida or another foreign terrorist group. our best shot of stopping those are three things like fisa. >> and i don't think people realize, we always talk about the intelligence community like it is some kind of big group of folks somewhere. i think people think of spy movies and stuff. the vast majority of the people in the intelligence community are veterans or active military. they are hard-working smart

patriots that are trying to keep our country safe. and it is just bizarre to me. if you have donald trump right now. put a microphone in front of his face and try to hold them to an answer on this, what is fisa? he doesn't know. he doesn't even know what it is. he has no idea. this guy, the republicans used to go to the white house when i was in the senate and they would come back and have a healthcare discussion and the republicans would say, he has no idea what obamacare even is or what the affordable care act even as. he is just doing this. he is parodying this. yes, we need to be careful about oversight in the intelligence community. you don't want it to run amok and violate american's rice -- rights. the surest path for our country being under attack is to defang the intelligence community and that is what donald trump is trying to do. >> it is what donald trump is

trying to do. it is what vladimir putin wants him to do. it is what people in the house gop who support donald trump want to do. i'm grateful and we say it all the time. we will take conversions. even if it is one issue. i'm grateful my johnson understands what his committee chairman had been telling him for some time, that showing weakness in ukraine is showing weakness in taiwan, is showing weakness across the globe and glad he is talking about funding ukraine because they desperately need it right now. >> next, speaker johnson looks to put a foreign aid package on the floor with despite significant pressure from some on the far right. senator chris joins the conversation straight ahead. re with or without aura and the preventive treatment

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we are the greatest nation on the planet and we have to act like it if we have to react to putin and xi and north korea or anywhere else. it doesn't mean boots on the ground. we are not the world patients policeman but we are going to do the right thing and i think congress will take an important stance. >> you have to rely on democrats to pass the rule in order to bring these bills to the floor? and the legislation itself? >> i hope not. i hope the republican colleagues will stand together, stick together on this. we understand, i'm a child of the 80s. and regarding myself as a reagan republican. i understand the concept of maintaining peace through strength. it is one of the guiding principles. it is part of the party and the worldview. and i think this is an opportunity to make that stand at a critical time in world history. >> speaker mike johnson pushing forward on his foreign aid package despite threats from some of his republican colleagues to oust him if he

does. joining us, democratic member of the foreign relations committee, senator chris of delaware. it is good to have you back on the show. what you make of what we are hearing from the speaker of the house? >> i'm relieved to hear speaker johnson speaking so clearly and forcefully that his values are rooted in the reagan republican era and he sees this key strategic moment we are in and he agrees that we need to fight for freedom in europe and by helping ukraine stand up to russia's aggression and show that the united states is committed to fighting for freedom around the world. this supplemental aid package that he is trying to move through the house passed the senate by a strong bipartisan margin weeks and weeks ago. it will secure ukraine percent defense and it will fund israel's defense and it will provide $9 billion in humanitarian aid critically needed from sudan to gaza to

ukraine to a dozen other countries and it will provide support for key partners in the indo-pacific. if he can get this done this weekend, it will be a critical turning point and put us on a positive trajectory for the year. if it fails, this is a moment long remembered. it is when the united states stepped aside from as it was put, the indefensible nation. >> you have russia still attacking ukraine, a withering attack from putin percent russia, you have israel under attack from iran and you are exactly right. now is the time. and wondering your thoughts as we look toward israel and obviously we support israel and defending himself. about gaza and netanyahu come working for well over a decade.

the elimination of any hope for a two state solution between israel and the palestinians. how do we keep the two state solution alive? we are a strong partner of israel. netanyahu's path has been disastrous. >> frankly, let's take a step back to why the october 7th attack by hamas happened to get happened because hamas is a group of murders and terrorists and whose core principle is to kill jewish people and remove them from israel. and it happened because there is steady, positive progress toward ending the arab israeli conflict. the saudi, the israeli

government and the united states were in positive negotiations moving forward toward a recognition of israel by the saudis and a reconciliation, frankly regional, economic and security alignment between israel and all of the arab states. one of the greatest successes of american leadership and diplomacy in the middle east was the camp david peace accords that ended the act of war between egypt, jordan and israel. if we were going to build on the last administration and finally end the arab israel conflict, that would shut out iran and prevent them from having the ability to manipulate the region and impose the horrifying costs that they have done to their proxies, hezbollah, hamas. and the houthi. i think we need to say to mr. netanyahu, you have a path forward. you have to show path toward

dignity and self-governance. you have to allow humanitarian aid at scale in gaza and you have to have a regional plan for stabilization and security. this would be a big change. as you just said, joe, it has been netanyahu's practice for a decade to divide the palestinians and say there is no path toward a two state solution. he could make history by embracing the possibility of peace with the palestinians and and and to the arab israeli conflict and that would require a basic change in where he heads. in my view, if that is not something he is willing to embrace, my hope is that the israeli selector will choose a leader that sees that is possible. that is very hard in this moment. just after such a horrifying attack october 7th. what happened last week and was the iranians launched 300 drones and missiles in israel and they got to see what the security alignment with jordan, the saudis, the brits, the branch and the united states

looked like in terms of delivering intelligence and timely interception of the wave of attacks. there is a better path forward for the middle east. my hope is that prime minister netanyahu and the israeli people will take it. >> we have a lot more to get to this hour. morning joe weekend continues after a short break. j.p. morgan analysts in the chase app. when you've got a decision to make... the answer is j.p. morgan wealth management. ♪ i wanna hold you forever ♪ hey little bear bear. ♪ ♪ ♪ i'm gonna love you forever ♪ ♪ ♪

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iranian government. the state department said president biden would raise the issue with the iraqi leader and of course we will be following this story. over one decade ago, american freelance journalist james foley was covering the civil war in syria when he was kidnapped by isis. he was held captive for two years and then executed by the terrorist group on camera. seven years later, his mother diane foley traveled to a virginia courthouse to speak with one of his captors and to find answers. she has a new book on those meetings and titled "american mother." and she joins us now. thank you for coming on the show this morning. let us know what you learned and some of those meetings. i know it is all in the book and it is a journey for you

even after your son patients death. it is incredibly compelling. give us a sense of parts of that journey. >> good morning to both. it is good to be with you again. last time i saw you was shortly after jim was killed. so thank you for your time. it was necessary to talk to alexander cody for me because jim would have. he was always interested in the underdog and folks that might be disenfranchised. and i think alexander, as a young immigrant without a dad, was bullied and jim would have wanted to hear him out. i felt it was necessary to speak to him. and i think we have to listen and find ways to talk to those we don't agree with.

so that was a lot of the reason. and i wanted to tell them about jim and i wanted them to know who he was as a person. >> it was an extraordinary book. you spent three days at a virginia courthouse talking with this man who i'm sure it took a lot to sit down and look him in the eye and find some humanity and mercy. can you take us inside the conversations? what was it like on a human level? >> to be honest, i had to pray to be present and see him as the young man that he is. really the same age as one of our younger sons that has made awful choices. and it is important that he be held accountable. by the same token, he also has lost his freedom and the ability to oversee his family again. the whole experience was sad

but healing and the sense that he heard me and i feel that i heard him. and he did express quite a bit of remorse to be honest. >> diane jordan, your empathy and your courage has been incredible and inspiring. and the book, i'm excited to read. how much of the book do you talk about what you did to change how american hostages are rescued by the american government. part of the frustration with your son patients struggle is that the u.s. government really did not step up to the plate and even harmed your efforts and threatened with prosecution if you and your husband pursued outside action. so now there is a hostage coordinator. so many rescues have been

possible. so many have been released. can you talk about how you did that? >> that is jim's legacy. it does give me joy in many ways. when jim was taken in 2012 through 2014, there was no u.s. hostage enterprise. there was no one to help me. that was part of the reason i was sent in circles and people didn't know. the government did not know what to do with me actually. and i was ignorant of our policy of nonengagement with captors. because obviously, if you don't engage at all, the captors will get rid of hostages and kill them and that is what happened with jim, kayla mueller in 2014. i was angry. i felt as a country we could do much better. thanks to many good people, we have.

we have a u.s. hostage enterprise with dedicated government officials that brought home more than 100 u.s. nationals. people that were targeted like jim, free of committing any crime at all but were targeted because they were americans. and more than 100 have been brought home. it is still a huge national security threat in all honesty. it is a challenge to us. americans are targeted when we travel internationally. we truly are. >> the book is titled "american mother" and it is available now. diane foley, thank you very much for writing this book and for coming on the show. you can find more information by clicking on james foley foundation. again, thank you so much. coming up, a new poll of

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a just released poll of younger americans show president biden leading donald trump among registered likely voters. the harvard youth poll shows biden ahead by eight points

with americans under 30. among likely voters, the biden lead expense to 19 points. this also finds broad support for a permanent cease-fire in the israel hamas war. economic concerns remain top of mind for younger voters and confidence in public institutions continues to decline joining us now, director of polling at the institute of politics at harvard university. good to have you back on the show. just pull back on the macro if you could. will review overall looking for? >> thank you for having me. we talked to 2010 young americans between the ages of 18-29. a probability including an equal chance of all americans regardless of where they live in the 50 states to be incorporated into the survey. we have been doing this for 24 years. it is the 47th edition of the survey. >> i'm just looking at the top

line. the first poll we will look at is biden versus trump among young voters. how do the candidates fare? >> the thing about those numbers, from the course come to the beginning of the end of the survey, we saw massive seismic mood swings. we saw subtle indications of younger people. as we know, they are angry and stressed. they think the country and large part as going in the wrong direction. the concern about the situation in israel. the concern about the economy and the cost of living and inflation. at the end of the day, you can see those numbers. they are voting for joe biden again right now, it is not close. there has been a myth the last several weeks, last several months that donald trump is making significant end roads. i'm not sure i am seeing that. he is pretty consistent at the 37% level right now. >> that looks good for biden but the next couple of poll

questions and answers, they show potentially some problems for the sitting president. young voters overwhelmingly supported cease-fire in gaza but the ongoing problem in israel with the israel-gaza war, is that risky for the president? >> what younger people have said from the very beginning of the conflict is that they want peace pick you can see overwhelming support for a permanent cease-fire, 5-1. every demographic group including younger republicans support a permanent cease-fire. to me, another important thread of this series of questions, and by the way, i think the reason these questions remain so relevant today is -- these are the questions younger people are asking. undergraduate students but what we found is that younger people, they clearly want peace

but they also see the humanity and have sympathy for both the palestinian people as well as the israeli people. they don't necessarily feel the same way about the governments and leaders. there is a big disconnect. i think the message is that they want to stop and they have sympathy for both sets of people. >> let's look ahead to the next poll that that is reflective of broader polling. nearly 60% of young americans believe the country is off on the wrong track. only 9% say things generally are heading in the right direction and 32% saying they are unsure. what all goes into those numbers? >> i think that is what happens after 20 years, 15 years of chaos in this country. from these young people born in the aftermath of 9/11 after school shootings, opioids, climate, white nationalism.

george floyd continued chaos. they are angry. they are concerned. i don't blame them. they don't feel like their parents or politicians or parties get them or understand. it is not a direct correlation between that and the sitting president. if it were, biden would be in a significant hole right now but instead among likely voters, he is winning by 19 points i think. >> still ahead, taking a stand against donald trump comes at a price for conservatives to get happened to our next guest when she refused to support the former president. author nancy french writes about that new experience and a book called "ghoste ." she joined us ahead on morning joe. it's helped my memory.

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for herself behind the scenes as a new york times best- selling ghost writer for conservative political figures including ann romney and sarah palin patients daughter bristol. when nancy french was not willing to endorse donald trump, she found herself out of work with allies shunning her, republicans mocking her, white nationalists targeting her and her church community alienating her. and a new mom more out today and titled "ghosted," an american story french says "the religious right which i defended my whole life had abandoned the posture of family values when they had the chance to gain a seat at the table. it confused me to hear the values preached from the podium but ignored in real life. it was all a lie and so was the lesser of two evils, myth." joe and nancy join us. this is a fascinating personal

look at trumpism versus true conservativism. we have david on the show all the time. but the morning half. >> when someone comes on the show and they have a book, i'm the usually leaning forward. but i'm just like, this is too familiar. this is so familiar. unfortunately, you and david and i have had similar backgrounds growing up at the church. but all these people that were your friends are in your community or even closer than friends, and your church community, just abandoned you. >> the day you decided not to follow along and support a guy who said he never had the need to ask jesus for forgiveness.

>> and the title of the book is "ghosted." because i have been a ghost writer and because of all these groups of people who i thought would support me but who turned their back on me quickly when i made the decision not to support trump. it was pretty shocking. >> walk us through, if you will, how tight you were in the conservative community. you are a ghost writer. constantly had clients calling you and asking you to help. and you didn't change your viewpoint. they change their is for the most part. >> i grew up with ronald reagan on my wall. i loved him so much. when i got to be employable, i decided to be a ghost writer and i got to work with the best people in the republican party, the most prominent people in the republican party. i even lived with sarah palin and alaska for a month which was very fun and cold.

that was exciting. in 2012, donald french got the ronald reagan award at cpac and we would never be invited back again. they were like, this is the best that conservatism has to offer. we were on stage and receiving so much applause and we have never been back. now we are about as popular as head lice in the republican party. >> it is crazy. we talked about it a good bit. people i grew up with an people you have known. it is just donald trump completely changed to them. >> coming up, actress willie gladstone talks with us about under the bridge, her true crime series on hulu about the investigation of a teenager's horrific murder. morning joe will be right back!

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sorry. i didn't tell you i was here. i didn't know if you would want me to. >> stay away from josephine. >> that was a scene from the new hulu limited series under the bridge. the eighth episode. true crime drama is based on the 2005 book of the same name and it explores the story of a canadian teenager's murder and the investigation that followed. we have oscar-nominated actress willie gladstone investigating the case. you saw her there. great to have you on the show. aside from this being a great opportunity, what drew you to this? >> initially, i leaned away little bit because i wasn't too keen to do a true crime.

the kind of compassion and deep dive that she gets to her work. i knew this would be something special. especially because she was attached as a producer so i knew she believed in it. my first meeting, i made a short list of things that i want to make sure would be addressed in the ark of the character and as they were giving me the pitch before i could even ask questions, i was crossing off 60s scoop. restorative justice conversation. that is in there. everything that appealed to me about playing the character and what i would have wanted to bring in myself, including the fact that they also optioned the book, not just under the bridge but the -- rebecca godfrey's account of what happened, especially through the trial. in the family and how they were treated by the media. sensationalism. kind of their back story and some of the family's mistrust of the police and law enforcement because of how they were treated prior to the case. it was all really fertile ground for conversations that i think are important.

>> i watched the first two episodes which means i have to get up at 3:30 a.m. in the morning. i was ready to watch episode three. it had not started yet. we don't get that until next week. and my husband said, you have to go to bed. it is so good. what is amazing is the story is from 30 years ago. it is about a teenager, indian canadian teenager that was bullied and died. i won't get into the details. and the briefing ruined it. it is such a good -- there are so many layers to the story. it is about bullying but it is also about the restorative justice you talk about. talk about 30 years on the story of a young girl being bullied and what you felt the story taught us about today or should teach us.

>> we are so soon out of the tragedy of benedict. i was a teenager during this time. i was in middle school in 1997 and i was very close to where this happened to rena. even though we did not hear specifically about rena, she rocked canada. her case rocked canada the way matthew shepard did. would have been a contemporary for us. having not heard about rena, i remember this shift and suddenly, our teachers and grown-ups being hyper concerned with the kind of music we were listening to the kind of shows you are watching and the video games we were playing, if we were romanticizing this crypt blood war. armor thinking that it was a bit odd and conversations i was following, i was not quite sophisticated enough yet. but i remember feeling a little bit offended by that. is not our music choices doing this and i love that the show

-- it builds the world around the victims in a very compassionate way and it builds the world around the kids. and i feel like we could have these conversations more. they are children. we extend more compassion to children naturally. we know that bullies are made. bullies are made by inequities in society and by kids and people that feel disempowered and grabbing at whatever that is. my beautiful parents, when i was bullied as a kid always made sure that it would absorb the. knowing there was something about my bully that was hurt. so they planted a seed of compassion and be very young. i think we are having these conversations about checking our kids and stopping these instances, we need to look at the society we have built that does tend to glorify violence and casts this celebrity status on the perpetrators. >> is that why, given your background, oscar nominee, that

you would put your gravitas into this kind of a rule that you want people to walk away looking at the kind of ways we deal with justice and the way we deal with the reality rather than just scapegoating, as you said. it was about gangs. is that why you decided to play this role? >> certainly. and i thought it was really clever and important that the show runner and the creator of the series, they decided to bring -- my character is entirely fictionalized. i knew there was a space there and the way she was created and was built to have those conversations. >> that is all we have time for today. we will be right back here tomorrow morning at 6:00 a.m. eastern. stay tuned for the "the weekend." next. next.