the secretary general of nato will be here, follow on social media. in the meantime, msnbc starts right now. good morning, ali. >> you picking into my guest list, nato, what is up with that ? >> we are trying to keep up with you, ali velshi.

it is 4/20, happy 4/20 to everybody who celebrates. >> that changes the game. very interesting. >> every day is 4/20. >> you know kyle griffin, i have been texting with him because it is difficult to get on your show, the bookings are hard. beginning of may, may 5th or may 12th, i will be making an actual appearance, not like the last 12 seconds, i will talk to you, so don't take time out may 5th or may 12th. >> you only come on when you have a book to sell, ali velshi ? >> that cut deep. i had to write a book to get on your show. >> lord! >> i appreciate the warmth with

which you will welcome me and perhaps we will see you tomorrow. >> we will be here. >> velshi needs to start now. ♪ saturday, april 20th, a week that put the 2024 residential race into perspective with a full panel of 12 jurors and six alternates has been chosen for the first criminal trial of a former president of the united states. opening statements will begin on monday. while the former president was meeting the jury and the court for the first time, joe biden spent three days campaigning in the swing state of pennsylvania. on tuesday, the president visited his childhood home in scranton, pennsylvania, the first stop in his door and the crucial battleground state. he met with construction workers the following day in pittsburgh , and stopped by the united

steelworkers headquarters where he told the crowd he was proud to be the most pro-union president in american history. on the last leg of his trip, he stopped by one of the most important institutions, the convenience store and sometimes gas station, wawa, which makes a mean sandwich and way better than dunkin' donuts. sorry. biden attended a campaign event in philadelphia where he was endorsed by several members of the kennedy family despite the fact the relative is running against him. but it will have events in washington, d.c. and florida next week where he will deliver a speech on tuesday focused on reproductive rights one week before a joke on him six week abortion ban takes effect in that state. on the other hand, the only campaign stop donald trump made was at a bodega in manhattan which is a county were active registered democrats outnumber republicans nearly 10 to 1 and he spread false claims about rising crime in the country.

he spent most of the week in a courtroom, a preview of what the devil several weeks of his life will be like if this trial proceeds. only the first week and clear that candidate donald trump is frustrated by how much defendant trump's legal obligations are complicated campaign plans. during remarks this week he complained multiple times about how he should be on the campaign trail instead. the former president and his legal situation has not completely sidelined him from campaigning. he did hold a rally in pennsylvania last saturday and he will host another event in north carolina tonight. for the duration of the trial, expected to last six to eight weeks, his campaign schedule will be dependent on when the court is in session. while donald trump will largely be confined to the courthouse for the coming weeks, donald trump ism is alive and well and continuing to spread.

the former arizona gubernatorial candidate kari lake did her best impression of the formal president, dismissing his criminal cases and using violent rhetoric. >> he is willing to sacrifice everything i am, that is why they are coming after us, they will come after us with everything and that is why the next six months will be intense. we need to strap on our -- let's see -- we will put on the armor of god. [ applause ] maybe strap on a glock just in case. [ applause ] you can put one here and one in the back, whatever you decide. >> we will put on the armor of god and maybe strap on a glock on the side just in case. she has been increasing herself

to donald trump, and election tonight running for a crucial united states senate seat in arizona that could determine control of the chamber of commerce. she is not the only republican this week to endorse the use of physical force against people whose ideologies don't align with theirs. on monday, tom cotton took aim at demonstrators who have recently been blocking traffic as a form of protest against the ongoing assault in gaza by israel. he encouraged people to take matters into your own hands to get them out of the way. he followed up that post with a video from an unspecified protest showing peaceful people forcibly dragging protesters out of the street. he captured the video "how it should be done." this is not the first time either lake or cotton have used violent rhetoric and while they should be held responsible for their actions, it is clear that donald trump ushered in this dangerous era of politics. during his first presidential bid, he repeatedly promoted violence on the campaign trail,

and antitrust protesters were assaulted by trump supporters and more than one rally, it happened in birmingham in 2015 to a black lives matter activist. the following day, donald trump said, "maybe he should have been roughed up." when a protester disrupted his speech in las vegas in 2016 he said, i would like to punch him in the face. after multiple protesters showed up and interrupted an event in north carolina in march of 2016, he lamented about how, in the good old days, this didn't used to happen, because they used to treat them very rough. one protester was indeed assaulted by a trump supporter at that event. after the rally go or was arrested, donald trump said he would pay his legal bills this is a problem that is no longer being treated like a problem within the republican party. it is emblematic of a party that has grown increasingly intolerant of dissent, a party that lacks leadership and does not have a unified ideology and

that is why we are seeing the chaos on capitol hill going on right now as well. joining me to discuss is the special correspondents at vanity fair. and an msnbc political analyst, and historian and professor of history and american studies at yale university and author of "the field of blood." good morning. joanna, you are a student and an academic of violence in politics and particularly in congress. is there a flavor difference between what we have seen historically in this country and what is going on now? the reason i ask, there is a casting nature to the violence we are hearing about, not donald trump doing it or carry lake doing it, references, take care of things with the gun to clear them out. >> writes, and a lot of the violence i have studied involves politicians largely talking to each other.

congressman using violence to get their way in congress. what we are seeing now is people especially appealing to the public in a variety of different forms of technology, media, faster and more dangerous on any kind of social media platform. they are appealing to the public without language and kind of making it like it is a joke. but it is not a joke. it is normalizing an almost, in the cases of some people probably somewhat unstable, asking for that kind of behavior. it is endorsing vigilantism and democracy is a pact we make to abide by rules and constitutional standards. >> this is an interesting point. sometimes it is set as a joke or thought of as a joke, or donald trump will tell you they are making a big thing out of the fact i said there would be a bloodbath when i was talking about automobile tariffs. but

they are real things and dependent on some people, we don't need many, we have seen this in european history, you don't need everybody to listen, you just need some. >> trump has always, since he came on the scene, used just joking into baiting the media into covering him seriously and his supporters and the right- wing media saying, he was just joking, the mainstream media is over reacting. this idea that the road to really -- the truth is the road to authoritarianism is people telling you you're overreacting and you're overreacting until it is over. sure it has happened. the violence has taken place, attacks on fbi people, at these rallies. on parlor, there was an advertisement for a donald trump night not association with him or parlor, but it calls it a perfect rally knife.

we don't need rally knifes, we need knives to cut cheese. what does this do over time? viewers of these things i would assume would be more observing, say i will not get involved in political violence but in the last election in arizona armed people were outside the voting booths. i don't know what they were going to do with their big guns. it is the concept that violence is involved in politics. >> not just involved but normalized and endorsed by people with power or people who want to have power. they are running on it. not even that they are slipping in a comment, but running on that fact. if i go back to the founding, one of the things that generation understood, the people who had power, the first people who took over the national government and came into power, whatever they did, people would copy. they did not want to have them dressed like aristocrats or act like aristocrats because the american people would watch and

, what their leaders did, they would do. i may be talking about hundreds of years ago, but that basic fact is true. >> molly, you write and vanity fair about candidate trump versus defendant trump essay the conventional wisdom if donald trump is somehow found not guilty, talking about this trial in new york, that will only make it more sympathetic in the mind of his voters, yet not clear how these details from the proceedings would permeate the news bubble. is that settling in? >> i have been so interested with this trial, for so long before it happened, so many people in the complex, the people we know, and several who we love, say this is not the strongest case, there were stronger cases, don't bring the ones -- i have seen, this case so far has been a huge sea change. he is there, tired, reports of

him nodding off, looking deflated, exhausted. and he is a defendant. he is not a candidate. he is a defendant. he is listening to the judge, being told what he has to do. it is a huge -- the visual is humongous. the question we have, will this permeate our bubble? will this go to the people who do not read the news? who are last informed in this way? i think it will. we are seeing it on late night and the cover of all the newspapers, international newspapers. there is a reason he spent $100 million trying to avoid these trials. running for president and being a candidate -- being a defendant are not two things that work together well. >> based on what you just said, as a candidate and as a president, he runs on the fact

that he does not obey rules. he says what he wants and does what he wants, and we are watching him bound by rules. >> he is not following all of them because there is a gag order he is in violation of probably, but he has to do what the judge says he has to do. >> antitrust message. >> it is anti-trump message. joanne , jury selection this week, two jurors have been unseated with concerns about their safety and identity being known. they will be harassed individually or collectively because donald trump does that sort of thing. there are 12 jurors and six alternates, the highest number of alternates you can have in a non-murder one case. are you worried about your integrity and whether this case is derailed because donald trump is such an effective

person to threaten people? >> that is a larger worry. we see the same logic with libraries and school board meetings, election officials, again and again, people who are doing their civic duty, being good citizens, and they are afraid to be good citizens because they are afraid of what someone who will be thinking that joke is not so funny, that it is serious and will act according to that. yes, what we are watching his people trying to get in the way of, ironically enough, a fair trial. he deserves a fair trial. what we are seeing is a variety of ways in which it will not be fair. >> one juror said, because my identity has become known, i don't know i can be fair because she is fearful for her life at the hands of the defendant. >> trump has a long history of

behaving this way. even michael cohen worked on intimidation, stormy daniels said people came up to her with her daughter in the parking lot. remember, his mentor was roy cohn, someone famously disbarred for his malfeasance. i do think this is very much to be expected. and it runs contrary to what the laws are. >> the two important witnesses we will hear from, stormy daniels and michael cohen, the pressure on them must be remarkable because people know them and they have a presence. they will be targeted despite the fact there are rules that say donald trump cannot do this. great to see you both in real life. joanne, great to see you . molly jong-fast is a special correspondent of "vanity fair" and a msnbc analyst . msnbc is

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ukraine, israel, more, they make up $95 billion in national security assistance. if they pass, they would be packaged together and sent to the senate. but there is a reason these boats were delayed for as long as they were, because republican drama. the drama is not over. far from it. the far right arizona congressman joined forces with marjorie taylor greene and thomas massie, threatening a motion to vacate which would force a vote on keeping or ousting the house speaker, mike johnson, in retaliation for allowing the vote on ukraine aid which of these three opposed. now, if all democrats also vote against johnson, as they typically do in a speaker vote, then mike johnson can only lose two republican votes to save his job. either that or convince at least a couple of democrats to bail him out.

joining me is julie live from capitol hill. this is a nailbiter on capitol hill because, he could go smoothly and we could have the passage of four important bills, or could derail the republicans in the house and the career of mike johnson as speaker. >> reporter: or both can happen, they could pass these bills and invest them to the senate where they are excited to take these pieces of legislation up, specifically to fund ukraine, these bills are similar to what the senate passed in february. leadership over there are satisfied with the construction of these four bills in the house. let's say they clear it, which we expect them to, yesterday, a resounding bipartisan vote, more democrats voted in favor of these bills that republicans did. all in all, we do expect this to pass in the house in the next 3.5 hours. the next problem is for mike

johnson and his job i spoke with thomas massie, one of the three that signed on to this effort to oust the speaker and he said he does not want to see a public motion to vacate these vote on the floor because of the issue you brought up, which is the fact that democrats would more than likely support hakeem jeffries which would not bode well for republicans so close to an election. what he wants to see happen is that johnson resigned on his own. like what john weiner did years ago -- john boehner did years ago. these are just three house members who support speaker johnson pushing this effort, we will see if they do anything today, later this afternoon, i anticipate other procedural gimmicks, trying to adjourn the house before they get to these bills which would not be

successful, we assume, but a lot to get to in a rare saturday session of the house. >> julie, we will stay close to you as things develop. this is an important story for us to cover. coming up, today's vote with the ranking member of the armed services committee, congressman adam smith. you are watching velshi on msnbc. nothing dims my light like a migraine. with nurtec odt, i found relief. the only migraine medication that helps treat and prevent, all in one. to those with migraine, i see you. for the acute treatment of migraine with or without aura and the preventive treatment of episodic migraine in adults. don't take if allergic to nurtec odt. allergic reactions can occur, even days after using. most common side effects were nausea, indigestion, and stomach pain. it's time we all shine. talk to a healthcare provider

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for that may also likely be higher. on the russian side, an investigation found russian military deaths have surpassed 50,000. yesterday, the ukrainian president appealed to nato defense ministers and urge them to step up air delivers for his struggling forces, stressing that ukraine cannot adequately defend itself without western support. ukraine may not need to wait very long as aid from the u.s. could be on its way as we have been discussing as the house is in session today and will be voting on a long stalled foreign aid package to roughly deliver $61 billion to ukraine. the bill is expected to pass with bipartisan support and go to the senate soon after. aid for ukraine has never been more crucial for the war-torn nation that it is now. i have spent a great deal of time in ukraine and had the opportunity to meet many people directly affected by the conflict. one of those people is an artisan by trade, originally

living in ukraine, a suburb of the capital. this is when i met her, when the war broke out in february of 2022 we were at a train station in hungry across the ukrainian border. her hometown had been attacked by russian soldiers, forcing her to leave. like many ukrainian women, part ways with her husband and her only son, both served in the ukrainian army. with bridges and roads destroyed, she went through a dangerous journey through russian forest and ultimately on a full train headed west until she reached safety. until the moment i met her. i caught up with her last year and learned she made her way to switzerland where she lives in a refugee shelter. one striking aspect of her character, from the moment i met her, was her incredible optimism in the face of overwhelming odds this is what she told me about her prospects when we first met in 2022 on

that cold day on that train platform across the ukrainian border. what is your plan this is a small town, do you know people here? >> i know no one, we go to budapest first, and i think, i can find a job. >> what will you do? what work do you do? >> anything to survive i am a crafter. i will survive, no problem. >> her determination and her resilience led her to watch a craft business online on etsy, despite being separated from her family she was positive. here is a clip from our interview last year. >> tell me about your family, when you have come across and we met in hungry, you were not with your family. where are they now? >> still in ukraine.

>> how are they doing? >> they are alive. i am a mother , wife of soldier. they are well now. >> that was a little over a year ago, february of last year, that changed this week when she received the tragic news. her husband was killed in combat on the front lines. now, inna fears for her son's safety, she joins us sorry for your loss i never met your husband. i am so sorry. >> thank you. >> tell us about how you found out about your husband's passing. >> his friends called me to say -- yeah.

>> have you spoken to your son? >> yes. >> when was the last time you saw your husband and your son? >> it was may of 2022. when i was in ukraine. >> you have not seen them since you left? >> i have seen them in ukraine in may of 2022. >> i know you wanted to deliver a message to our viewers, important day for ukraine because his long held up aid in u.s. congress may pass and aid may be on his way to ukraine. what do you want to say to the american public? >> i just want to say i do believe that america -- i do

not believe america is a heartless country, our people are waiting, waiting for a weapon, they have nothing in hands sometimes to shoot back. my husband was waiting. we are volunteers. we help to bring to ukraine whatever we can. cars, protection, like helmets, bullet proof vests, little things, even if i am a volunteer, i cannot buy an f- 16. >> you always have in helping ukraine were effort from switzerland and now are working

for a company that allows you to make repairs to pickup trucks set to ukraine and used by ukrainian forces. that is an example of the kind of thing people like you, women like you have left the men behind in ukraine and are fighting for outside to help win the war. >> this is normal. we must help our men. this is normal. why not? >> i remember the day we met, you were so optimistic. when we talked, it is optimistic, how do you stay optimistic after something like this has happened? does this deplete you or does this strengthen you? >> i hope -- i am the same optimistic as before. now, it is a little bit difficult i want to ask all

americans, please support us. please support us. we need this help badly. we cannot wait. the more we wait, the more we give the chance to them to attack ukraine, they destroyed whatever they can, they kill our people, we have to have something in hands to give a proper answer. please, support us. >> do you believe you will go back to a free ukraine and be with your son? >> yes. this is the only hope i have. >> the hope i have is in the time i interview you, you will be in a free ukraine and your son will be next to you and that image and we will keep talking as we have for the last

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the house is in session on a saturday, these are live pictures from the house floor where they are engaged in debate over four bills, including aid packages for israel and ukraine. joining me is adam smith of washington, the top democrat on the house armed services committee what is being discussed is remarkably important to the work you are doing. good to see you. i just finished a conversation with a woman i had met on a train platform in hungary at the beginning of the war in ukraine.

she traveled from the capital of ukraine, leaving her son and husband behind, she just found out this week her husband was killed in the war and she is begging america. begging america to give ukraine the help they need. she believes they will win the war if they are properly supported by america. >> it is incredibly important that we pass this bill today. this took way too long. we have pushed ukraine to the break. we need to get this done today. the senate needs to get it done as soon as possible if that assistance goes to ukraine, you are right, they are in a position to stop the russian advance. like i said, this is at least two and arguably four or five months too late but it needs to happen urgently for all the reasons you just outlined. >> your sense of whether it will happen or not?

a bunch of things in play in general, the majority of people in congress are in favor of supporting these bills but there is this added complexity of a few hard-line right-wing members of the republican conference who have threatened they will expel mike johnson as speaker if this happens. >> that second piece is a separate question. i am confident the house will pass this today. we are on a strong pathway. as we have been saying, we have the overwhelming majority of the house in support of this. we could have done this months ago. we have the votes, but the decision of the republican leadership to delay this by bowing to the putin wing of the republican party, it will pass, the senate is difficult to get through but i think they have a plan to get this done hopefully in the next three or four days

and we can move forward. whether or not there is a motion to remove speaker johnson, we will see going forward. right now, we need to pass ukrainian aid as soon as possible. >> tom llamas interview the iranian foreign minister yesterday, i want your reaction. >> when you attacked israel, you telegraphed that attack, you let other arab nations know it was happening. did any other country tell iran this attack was coming ? >> translator: what happened was not a strike. >> did they say you will attack? >> translator: they are more like toys our children play with. >> interesting response, given that i ran and his rhetoric --

iran is very strong and flowery , iran is saying this was not really a thing what is behind that is real and iran are trying in this moment, both countries involved in escalations in other instances , trying now to play this down and saying we are not at war with each other. >> absolutely. it is a weird situation. israel and iran are clearly in a deep conflict with each other. iran wants to eliminate israel and israel does not want to be eliminated. at the same time, iran does not want a full-scale war with israel or the u.s. and are purposely downplaying what israel did because they don't want to be responsible for having to respond. they are saying, no big deal. a very good sign in the efforts of president biden and many others to stop the conflict in the middle east from spreading.

to contain it and hopefully get to a peace deal between israel and gaza, and a peace deal between israel and hezbollah in lebanon because that is a problem. what i expected iran to do , they don't want a war, if they ask what israel did is a huge deal, they are on the hook to do something. they want to downplay it so they don't have to stumble into the war. a lot of challenges in the middle east but that is a good sign. >> we are looking for any good signs we can get in the situation a lot of hostages, a lot of dead palestinians and starting palestinians. reporting we cannot run down ourselves, the wall street journal is reporting that the biden administration is proposing to the israel administration, you recognize a two state solution, with the palestinians, we will get you a deal where saudi arabia recognizes israel and normalizes relations with israel. under normal circumstances,

that would be a huge deal that would get us a lot further into peace in the middle east. on the other hand, we are not under normal circumstances. >> i think it is a huge deal. this has been the goal of the biden administration from the start, the last month and a half in israel and saudi arabia, egypt and jordan, they have had these conversations. that is the long-term future. saudi arabia wants stability in the region and they want a hedge against iran , to do that, they see normalizing relations with israel and getting a security agreement with the u.s. as a key to that. they want to make that happen. where benjamin netanyahu made his mistake, he thought he could get that while ignoring the future of the palestinian people which is not possible. saudi arabia will not be able to do that. there needs to be some future for the palestinian people with security guarantees for israel, to be sure. that is a legitimate concern.

this only goes forward if the palestinians are on the pathway to some kind of self-governance and a better future. what you outlined and what the wall street journal is talking about, the agreement that can take as the nextep to really bring some stability to the conflict in the middle east. i think it is what we have to prioritize diplomatically to accomplish it. >> this is some of the more optimistic and positive conversation i have had about this in the last several months. i know you're not on this front, so hopefully something comes up and we will talk about a move forward as a post to a move backward -- as opposed to a move backwards. thank you for spending time with us. adam smith, the ranking member of the house armed services committee. we will be right back. been eas to get their favorite toy delivered. (♪♪) again.

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