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in this hour, another late trump defense hail mary falls short, we will tell you what it was and a view from inside the courtroom from someone who watched it all unfold, what you
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might have missed in jury selection and the big news starting monday. a good day to all of you from msnbc headquarters. we beagain with breaking news on capitol hill. congress is in session for a rare saturday vote. the house is set to tackle major bills that would send nearly $100 billion in foreign aid to israel, ukraine, and taiwan. most of the money will be going to ukraine. billions of dollars for weapons to help fight russia. the votes are putting speaker mike johnson's job at risk, more specifically on the $26 billion israel foreign aid bill, not all democrats say they will support it. here's the leader of the progressive caucus this morning. >> on the israel aid bill, i think you will see a good contingence of us that will vote no. i will vote no on that bill
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because it does not include any conditions at all on aid to the netanyahu government. it does not differentiate between offensive aid and defensive aid. we can't continue to watch the carnage that is happening in gaza and have the united states military assistance be a part of that carnage. >> joining me now from capitol hill, democratic congresswoman mikey cherelle. thank you for joining us. all four of the foreign aid measures are expected to pass. but you heard jayapal there, the difference between offensive aid, does she have a point and will you support the aid measure coming up? >> this aid measure is how we get support for the ongoing humanitarian crisis in gaza so it is critical we pass it. this is the package of bills
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that the senate passed over. the president requested it in october. the senate passed it in february. this is what we have been advocating for and i'm glad we are finally getting it on the floor today. >> okay. let's move to what you will also do which is vote on a long awaited $61 billion ukraine aid package. there has been a prolonged sense of urgency on ukraine aid. why did speaker mike johnson bring this up now? >> i think the question is why didn't he bring it up sooner and i don't have an answer to that. i know every day we delay in passing the aid, more people die. this is critical. we have a large ukrainian american community in my district. people from the ukrainian army who are back in my district, receiving medical care. i will tell you, it is difficult to speak to them as we were waiting for the aid to pass. a young man who lost both of his legs, both his eyes, talking
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about how he stood in the breach, facing off russian soldiers knowing if they got past him, they would raze the village behind him, rape women, and kidnap children. he stood there losing so much in his desire to protect the village. now woe know they are being outgunned about ten to one according to the head of u com. this is critical and we have to get this passed today. >> i'm curious how this hits for you personally as a former navy pilot. you are a veteran. when you hear stories like that, experiences like that, how does that make you feel? >> it feels horrible as we were sort of in this testimony period where we could not get this across the finish line. knowing how bipartisan the aid is. when we as u.s. military members go forward, we always say the u.s. never fights alone. that is because of our critical
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alliances across the world. to see this undermining of our nato alliance, to see the far right pro putin alliance of people who are quoted on sputnik radio in support of putin is shocking to me and many americans. but this today is how we show leadership. this is how we pass a piece of legislation and resume the mantle of authority in nato and the support we have for allies across the world. >> one caveat, republicans have pushed for 9 of the 61 billion to be in the form of a loan but one that could be forgiven over time. is that reasonable? >> if that is how we get this aid passed, i think quite frankly, it will turn out at the end of the day to be very similar to what the senate passed. but i think that is something the senate will be willing to pass as well. all of the democrats that are supporting the ukrainian aid are desperate to get that out to the
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ukrainians to make sure they have the resources they need. they have been so incredibly successful. the reports are that putin would roll over kyiv in a couple of days and it still stand. the port of odesa still stands. we have seen ukraine without a navy able to take on the russian federation navy. they have been successful with our support, nato support, and we need to continue to provide them that. >> i want to let you know that as expected, the house republican bill on border security as just failed to pass. you have members of the house freedom caucus calling it an american last foreign wars package. they are urging republicans to oppose what we were talking about with ukraine because it doesn't include border security. and the specific bill on border security failed to pass. what is your response to that? >> republicans' discussion of pub border security is totally performative. we have seen in the senate a
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negotiated slougz to the border security that had the votes to pass, trump said kill it by sunrise and republicans did, even the republican who negotiated the bill. we saw in the rules committee an attempt to pass a rule for border security, that failed in the rules committee dominated by republicans. to now act as if they care about the border is all simply in favor of trump's campaign and what will be best for him, what will be best for their own self interest. they have abdicated authority here and that's why we have been working with the white house. what we can do to secure the border, what we can do to make sure for example, we can fulfill the president's request for high end fentanyl machines to know what is coming across our border. we will continue this work to make sure that our border is secure and that every single person who arrived at our border is treated with dignity. >> i want to ask you about the
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politics here. speaker johnson put his job on line to bring the measures but he couldn't have done it without democrat support. so did the democrats have to make concessions to get the speaker to advance the foreign aid bills? >> you know, i think the need for the republican conference to have democratic votes in the rules committee comes from the poor decisions that kevin mccarthy made as he was advancing his own self interest and doing whatever it took for his very short tenure as speaker. he put people on the rules committee who were not serious people. people who didn't want to govern but wanted to campaign. i think when it came to hakeem jeffries, i think it is an understanding in the democratic caucus that these are critically important, critically historic times for our nation in the world and we need to act in the best interest of the american public. >> let me ask you quickly. will you vote to save speaker's
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johnson job if it comes to that? >> well right now the focus is on getting the legislation passed and i'm going to have to run and vote so doing just that. the speaker has said he does not want or desire democratic votes at this time so that is not on the table. but first we have to get the supplemental passed. >> congresswoman, i cannot take another moment of your time. i know you have places to go. thank you for your time. we are going to talk to julie tsirkin next. we want to let you know the fate of tiktok, that is something that made be hanging in the balance of the u.s. how serious of a danger does it pose to americans? that is something i intend to ask congresswoman alyssa slotcon, she is a former cia analyst. you are seeing on the screen, the nun of iowa amendment. this is something -- let's go to julie tsirkin.
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she will explain what we are looking at on the screen. thank you for joining us. what is the latest with the votes at this point? >> right now, they started the first of what appears to be several of amendment votes. you saw the first vote fail as expected. that had to do with border security. it needed two-thirds of the house majority to pass because even republicans, members of speaker johnson's party voted against it in the rules committee. so that's why you saw what played out on the screen. eventually in the next couple of minutes, they will move to the critical three foreign security bills, foreign aid bills that will provide aid to ukraine, $60 billion more to israel, 26 billion in fact and 9 billion dpr humanitarian aid to help civilians in gaza. that was a red line for democrats. many demanded it to move on to this point and get here. the fourth bill that is interesting and has nothing to do with the foreign aid bills is
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a bill concerning the social media app tiktok. this would basically give the chinese parent company byte dance one year to sell or the app would be banned in the u.s.. this is important for republicans and also democrats. we do anticipate that in the senate, they will take this up as one full package, the foreign aid plus the tiktok component and pass all of this by mid week next week. they are working out an agreement and i'm keeping an eye on the other chamber too. the overarching question is what happens to speaker johnson's job. we heard from three hard liners who are putting together an effort to force him to resign. i just asked steve scalise who is the republican majority leader, walking behind congresswoman cherelle as you were talking to her if he expects a motion to vacate to be put on the floor today and he said no but only marjorie taylor greene knows what she will do. >> and the expectation of the
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tiktok bill, what is expected to happen there? when will that go down? >> so that will be one of the votes in the series today. so far it seems like it could happen either first or last. a lot of things are changing. it is not clear here. it is really fluid here. the vote was moved up for an half hour earlier. house members want to get out of town because it is eating into the recess and passover break but the tiktok bill is super important. i can't remember when congress has played such a heavy hand in a social media company albe it this one is owned by a chinese company. there is bipartisan support including from president biden who said he would sign all of it to get this done. >> which is one reason we will have on our former cia analyst alyssa slotcon to talk about this and see her take on this. julie tsirkin, thank you for rolling with it. excellent job as always.
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for all of you, we will continue to follow the latest on these votes and julie will jump on when she has fresh news for us. looking ahead to the opening statements in former president trump's hush money case, less than 48 hours away, we will be back in 60 seconds. will be back in 60 seconds my frequent heartburn had me taking antacid after antacid all day long but with prilosec otc just one pill a day blocks heartburn for a full 24 hours. for one and done heartburn relief, prilosec otc. one pill a day, 24 hours, zero heartburn. sup? -who are you? for one and done heartburn relief, prilosec otc. i'm your inner child. get in. listen, what you really need in life is some freakin' torque. what? horsepower keeps you going, but torque gets you going. what happened to my inner child
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leaving the courthouse yesterday. >> the trial starts on monday which is long before. the judge wants this to go as fast as possible. that's for his reasons, not my reasons. and this is rolly a concerted witch hunt, very simple. everything you heard in there, this is a witch hunt, by numerous judges, democrat judges. >> my colleague, yasmin vossoughian is on the campaign trail and is covering the trial from the manhattan courthouse. welcome. walk us through yesterday's dramatic developments and what we can expect next week. >> reporter: i'm at the rally right now. yesterday was incredibly historic. they empaneled 12 jurors and 6 alternates as well. but outside of the courthouse, that's where all of the drama
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unfolded. this morning, the full jury with 12 people and 6 alternates officially sworn in to hear the hush money trial of donald trump but with a chaotic and disturbing scene friday just across the scene from the courthouse putting everyone on edge. video capturing a man setting himself on fire in the park area reserved for protesters. bright orange flames engulfing his body shortly after. >> i heard someone scream he's going to set himself on fire. i turn around and i saw a man dump liquid on himself and he immediately lit himself with a lighter. >> police were able to extinguish the blaze in several minutes before an ambulance took him to the hospital in critical condition. his motive was unclear. he later died of the injuries. police said they see no connection between the incident and the trial of the former
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president. >> we don't believe this was targeting any particular person or group. we an are labelling it as a conspiracy theorist and going from there. >> reporter: back in the courthouse they picked alternate jurors in case the regular jurors could not perform their duties. one juror asked to be dismissed saying show has anxiety and worried that she could not be impartial. another sobbing saying this is so much more stressful than i thought it would be. two jurors already dismissed less than two days after being seated. the additional alternates picked friday, four women and one man, including an audio engineer, and an estimator for a construction company. >> this is a rigged case that was put in because of politics. >> reporter: prosecutors accuse frump of falsifying business records to cover up an alleged affair with stormy daniels on the eve of the 2016 election.
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he denied any relationship with her and denies all charges saying again, he will testify. >> are you going to testify? >> yes. >> reporter: of course we are looking to hear what the former president has to say this evening around 7:00 p.m. when he takes the stage behind me. he will address the trial, of course. monday opening statements, unbelievable that the moment will be here. and then tuesday, the gag order for judge juan merchan to set the stage for what this trial will look like. >> it is indeed. and i'm sure you are 100% right, he will be addressing it whenever he takes the stage behind us. thank you. in minutes, hugo lowell and charles coleman are joining me. hugo had a seat in the courtroom and had some fascinating takes on trump's demeanor during the
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noil okay, everyone. the tiktok bill has made it way through the house. let's go to julie tsirkin, what happened? what are the results? >> they are in the second vote in terms of the foreign aid package. there are four overall. three concern foreign aid and the is one that concerns tiktok. it passed a moment ago, 360 to 58. about an equal number of republicans and democrats voted against it, 25 republicans and 33 democrats. a re-sounding approval for this piece of legislation. we knew it would turn out this way because a couple of weeks ago, the house took up a tiktok
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bill that was very similar except that the time line that the parent company bytedance has to sell tiktok or devest is up to 9 months. that is welcome to the senate and president biden and the white house. right now, they are voting on aid, about $8 billion to taiwan and the indo pacific region. it seems it is going swimmingly, 385 to 84 so far. they will take up a few amendment votes on ukraine before getting to the vote to approve about $60 billion to the country. this is something that has been held up for months. the senate passed this back in february but because of republican infighting and a lot of politicking when it comes to aiding the country, it has not happened so far. this is the bill that could cost
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speaker johnson his job. i want you tolisten to what jim cliburn had to say about this this morning when it comes to how the ukraine piece of this was structured watch. >> i particularly don't like the fact that we are treating a significant portion of the money to ukraine as a loan. all by it forgivable. i think we need to stand up for our allies. >> what clyburn is referring to is some of the money in the form of a loan. this is something that republicans, led by former president trump had advocated for. there is a big catch in that loan. the president , no matter who it is, can forgive 50% of that loan come november 15, 100% of it come january 1st2026 with
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congressional review. there are gimmicks at play to placate all sides of the republican conference. >> okay. right now we are in the indo pacific, the bill that is going to taiwan, about $8 billion. let me ask you about tiktok. that will go to the senate. can the senate strip that out of an overall bill package? are they going to have to vote on tiktok? and do you think, do you have a sense of where that will go in the senate? >> reporter: just to reset for our vowers, the indo pacific bill just closed out. right now they are moving on to amendment votes on ukraine. there are about three of them before moving on to the vote on ukraine and then israel aid. you asked about tiktok, the thing is since the structure of the bill was changed, since it gives more time for bytedance to sell tiktok within a year, senate democrat leader schumer
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and camp well, the democratic chair who was opposed to the original structure of the bill has since said that she is for this new change, that she is in favor of it. president biden saying that he would sign the entire package, tiktok included. the senate is not expected to change or strip anything out of what the house passes today. in fact, it will come over as a full package as a senate once it wraps up. >> all right, julie tsirkin, there is a lot going on behind you. we will see more of you. but for now, opening statements will begip on monday in his hush money case after an appellate court rejected his attempt to stave off the trial. he insists that he will testify inspite of potentially embarrassing questions he could face on cross-examination. judge juan merchan will rule on the questions on monday. joining me now is hugo lowell
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with the guardian. he was in the courtroom this morning, and charles coleman, former brooklyn prosecutor and now legal analyst and host of the charles coleman podcast. good to have you both here. hugo, you first here. cameras were not allowed in the courtroom so we need you to give us a sense of what it was like inside and what stood out to you in this first wake? >> it was surreal with former president trump being the first former or current president to go to trial. it was a semiinal moment and the enormity of the moment was not lost on any in the courtroom, the reporters or the jurors when they filed in to the courthouse and effectively looked at trump, looked at the prosecution team and had to go through the voir dire process. to give a sense of how this worked, there was a pool of
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reporters in the courtroom and then everyone else was in an overflow courtroom. and next week when things get to trial, things will change. the entire press corps will be in the courtroom proper as well as an overflow. we will get more in realtime updates of trump's demeanor and whether or not he is staying awake during the trial. >> good question there. in the closing stages of yesterday's hearings, judge merchan firmly told trump to sit down. on tuesday, he raised his voice when admonishing trump's aernz on juror intimidation. what were the back and forths about? how did trump react? >> the incident with the jury intimidation was when a juror was waubing out, trump made a remark that was audible to be heard in the overflow room and picked up on the microphones and the judge. the judge rolly went apoplectic. he was really making the case
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that he is not going to tolerate any juror intimitation in his courtroom. this has been a subject that has been an issue for all of trump's criminal cases for along time. trump likes to make comments about prospective witnesses and jurors. he has been going on about that on his social media account and that's partly why he will be before a contempt hearing on tuesday to answer for his social media post attacking people like michael cohen and leaking and posting articles from the new york post attacking other trial witnesses. this is going to be aneshue and it will be an issue throughout the trial. if trump can stay seated, if he can stay a proper defendant and adhere by the rules, otherwise he will find himself in a great deal of trouble. >> that would require discipline. enough said there. moving to you, charles, prosecutors said they initially
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rejected an request for names who will testify but they agreed to provide one name for attorney's eyes only. how unusual is that and what does it mean for donald trump? >> it is rel tivly usual. prosecutors are taking extraordinary steps to preserve the integrity of the case, given what we have seen from donald trump on his behavior. they know that donald trump will do anything he can without any regard for the gag order, to put out the name of the witness to try to get the name sullied as quickly as he can among not only his followers but the general public. if all goes well in his mind, intimidate the witness to not testify or give the prosecution everything they want. they will be as tight lipped as they can about trying to avoid that so they can stave off donald trump's disregard for the sanctity of the process if not altogether the gag order that has been imposed by judge
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merchan. >> are you hearing anything about who the witness may be? >> we don't know in terms of reporting. it hasn't been made public. the reason is interesting. this is where trump's own comments have come to bite him. the prosecution basically said in court this week that they didn't want to give or they were not prepared to give the trump team their list of witnesses until a day before they were set to testify because they didn't want trump to intimidate them. trump's attacks is having a consequence in the way that hurts him the most. that is not being able to give his legal team the chance and ability to prepare. i think it will be an open question and it it will be fascinating to see. >> the judge initially set aside two weeks for jury selection. but in four days, he seated the jurors and alternates. the judge also excused potential
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jurors who declared unwillingness to serve or inability to be fair. here is what one excused juror told our colleague john hilliard. >> i thought, this is ridiculous, there is no way after my online presence where i have satyrized this man again and again that i would be fit -- that they would regard me as to be fit to serve and it would be a waste of their time and as a taxpayer, our money to clog up the process. >> hugo, did jury selection get an a-rating from the trump team? are they satisfied that the chosen jurors are going to be fair? >> it is a really interesting question because they used the basis of how the jury selection went to try to delay the trial. you mentioned that this has been dismissed. but i think when you look at the composition of the jury, there has been some sense, and they won't say it explicitly but there is a sense from the
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lawyers that they are not too worried about the jury. that is because there are two attorneys. the lawyers are trying to see if the two attorneys could be a problem for the prosecution. typically, as far as defense lawyers are concerned, lawyers on a jury can be beneficial because they may think they are smarter than the prosecution. they may look at the evidence in their own way and try and come up with their own heel analysis of it. i think the trump lawyers see that as a potential win. they would much rather have attorneys. and there is one other person on the jury which has a finance background. again, trump likes the finance bro crowd. we are not sure if that is how the juror will assess the evidence but the trump lawyers are not too dissatisfied with the composition of the jury because it may help them at trial. >> in one moment of candor, there was a juror who said flatly she does not like trump, saying he seems selfish and self
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serving and politico says it would not be unheard of for a single trump sympathizer to trigger a mistrial. so what is the level of suspicion for both sides when it comes to the jurors? >> it has to be incredibly high. ultimately, no side will get everything they want during jury selection. that's how it works. but donald trump is not counting on people who will acquit him. they are counting on having one loyal sympathizer who will hold out long enough for this to be declared a hung jury and ultimately trump receive a mistrial. that is their goal. if they can get two or three, that would be fine. they quo they will not get 12 people to acquit trump. what they are hoping for is to convince enough people, even if it is one person to hold out for a hung jury and give a mistrial. that's their strategy. >> mistrail, hung jury, that would require prosecutors to say we will go back to the drawing
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board and do it again? would they have the option? >> they would have that option but would likely not be any time soon. it would have to start from zero. it is not like you get a mistrial and you start at day one of trial. you start the entire process over and that is something that donald trump attorneys know would please him because it would at least buy him additional time. >> but let me make clear, even if he were to be elected in november, were this hung jury tohappen, this is not a trial that he could do away with because it is a new york state trial, correct? >> that is correct. he could not but a subsequent da or even alvin bragg could decide this is too much of a hassle and we will not do it again. he would not have the sole power to get rid of the case even if he did become president. >> trump's legal team says it tried to serve a subpoena to stormy daniels outside of a bar in brooklyn at the time.
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what can you tell us about that and what do they want from her now? >> stormy daniels said that the subpoena was not served on her correctly. to recount how the situation went kroorg to the court filings, the trump lawyers got a process server to find stormy daniels as she walked into the bar. and the processor gave it to daniels and she didn't take it. the process server left it at her feet but informed her that she was being subpoenaed. basically stormy daniels lawyer says that is not adequate service and she was not aprized of what she was being given and dumping it as someone's feet is not stigs. this is something that will come before judge merchan and he will have to figure out how to prosode with this. it is kind of silly because stormy daniels will be testifying in the trial for the prosecution. she has already going to come under cross-examination. it is not clear what the benefit
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of either side was in resisting the subpoena in the way she did. this is going to be one of the things that judge merchan will have to deal with as we get into this trial. >> can i ask you quickly, charles, is she considered having been served even though she didn't touch it or take it? it landed at her feet. was she served? >> generally speaking that is going to be a factual question for judge merchan to respond to. i think in this case, i think he will find that this was an adequate sense of service and her refusal does not negate the fact that she was served and had a chance to get the documents and information. >> okay. good to see you both. thank you so much. we have a decision that the president may have to make in the coming days that could be consequential in the 2024 race for the white house, a move that could affect millions. a move that could affect millions. on this kitchen. oh, yeah, really high-end stuff. -sorry, that's our ghost. -yeah, okay.
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we are following breaking news on capitol hill where the house is in session. members of the house just voted to pass a national security bill that includes a measure to potentially ban tiktok here in the u.s. if its owner does not divest from the china based owner. it heads to the senate now. lawmakers are voting on sending aid to ukraine and israel. they passed aid to taiwan and
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indo-pacific. president biden is poised to sign a controversial surveillance bill now. aaron, how did this deal come together? >> reporter: we don't know excel when the president will sign the legislation passed in the senate over neat but we know he will sign it. we heard that from the white house over noit. the administration has characterized this section 702 of the foreign intelligence security authorization as something that is critical, vital to national security and allows the government to collect information from foreign surveillance activities that it engages in. so the national security advisor put a statement out overnight saying he recognized there was some push and pull over this issue leading up to the vote that happened in the senate but ultimately, the administration believes this is a good thing for the federal government to be able to continue to have this
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ability to gather and collect information. we can tell you, there was some concern about this from both progressives and conservatives who had concerns about privacy issues, the ability of american citizens to remain control of their personal. this moved through the senate and already passed through the house. i want you to hear how majority leader schumer characterized the vote overnight. >> allowing fisa to expire would have been dangerous. it is an important part of the national security tool kit and helps law enforcement stop terrorist attacks, drug trafficking and violent extremism. the legislation has been carefully tailored and i'm ready to work with colleagues on both sides of the aisle to keep strengthening protections for american citizens. >> reporter: and so as we have said, president biden has
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indicated he will sign the legislation. we received an a statement from the justice department also applauding the fact that this came through the senate and the justice department and other intelligence agencies will continue to be able to do their work under this law. >> let me ask you quickly about the senate which could pass legislation as early as next week. that would force the sale of tiktok or potentially be banned. is there any word if the president will sign that if what is just passed in the house gets to the senate this week? >> reporter: well, the white house has expressed support for this piece of legislation that would impact tiktok users in this country. as recently as yesterday, the white house said it supports the larger package of national security bills that are moving through the house right now. president biden himself in a moment outside of air force one before he boarded air force one a few weeks back was asked by one of our nbc news producers
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whether he would sign a ban on tiktok and he said he would. we are seeing the measure moving through the house that would force tiktok's parent company byte dance to divest from tiktok. the object of the exercise here is to cut off the chinese government's ability to access data from american citizens who use tiktok. so the administration supports the notion that there would be this separation of the company of the owner's ability to funnel information about american citizens to the chinese government. tiktok for its part has been actively speaking against this piece of legislation saying that there is alic of understanding about what tiktok, the owners are doing with this information and still, we do expect that when it gets tothe president's desk, he will sign it. >> okay, thank you so much from
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we are keeping a close eye on what is the vote being undertaken on ukraine, a bill that would add $60.8 billion in u.s. support for ukraine. that is something that has been a long time coming. they are just starting the vote now. we will keep a close eye on that and when we get the results, we will talk about them with aaron gilchrist who is standing by. we have breaking news in the middle east, a rather strange calm as israel and iran down play israel's air strike on a base in iran in what could be a sign that the two enemies are ready to dial down tensions.
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in an interview with nbc news, iran's foreign minister saying israel's strike was of no consequence. >> what happened last night was not a strike. >> did any other country tell you something was happening and they would invade your air space and attack a possible base? >> they are more like toys that our children play with. it is like drones, not worth telling us before it happened. >> many worry with the taboo against direct strikes on the territory, both sides may launch more direct attacks in future contest. let's bring in chief analyst for "the new york times" and author of the divider, trump in the white ws, 2017 to 2020, peter, welcome. how is the white house reacting to israel's response to iran and
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because it was so tepid, does the administration see this as israel heeding president biden's warnings about retaliations? >> yeah, clorely the white house is relieved that this did not seem to be another step up the esclatory ladder, that's the phrase they like to use in national security circles. it is possible that all three major parties have come away saying they got what they want. iran said that was no big deal and they shrugged it off. the united states can say we prevented the war in gaza from spreading across the region which has been president biden's priority since october 7th. you never know for sure and you have to be careful but that is the signal we are getting now that both sides, in terms of iran and israel are ready to move on to the next stage of their long running shadow war without making it an overt, all out conflict. >> yeah. peter, stay with us, don't go anywhere. we want to go back to the house floor because we are hearing
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that the vote is over. to the left of your screen, you are locking at democrat lawmakers who are waving ukrainian flags. it is not quite over but it looks as if it is going a certain way. aaron gilchrist is joining us from wilmington, delaware which is serving as the white house on remote if you will this weekend with the president being at his home there. aaron, this will be interpreted how by president biden? what is your sense of this, if and when it passes? >> as we look at the numbers on the screen, it looks as if it will pass. that was the expectation today and from the white house, that this aid for ukraine as well as a separate bill that has aid for israel would both pass here. this is something that the white house would see as a win on several different fronts . you will remember that president biden advanced to the congress a
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supplemental national security supplemental in the fall at $95 billion in that area and this was something that the administration pushed for months and months for congress to get done. so tosee this happen now and see the bill move through the house and go through the senate and be passed as well, this is something that the white house would be applauding and obviously, it is something that ukraine desperately needs. we watched over the last few months, the ukrainians having to ratchet munitions as they try to hold up a front against russia against the home territory. for the u.s. to be able to have the money available so the u.s. can send more weapons and more fighter vehicles or aircraft, whatever the case may be as well as bullets to the ukrainians, that is something that the biden administration sees as critical to ukraine's ability to continue to fight russia and also to the
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national security of the united states and to europe as well. >> peter, let's bring you back in the conversation. give me an overall beg picture of the significance of this, the passage of this bill. >> well, obviously, it is important to keep the ukrainians in the fight. it has been delayed so long that they have lost momentum and morale. there had been a genuine degradation of their position on the battlefield. they need this equipment and ammunition to keep up the feet. so this will keep it going through the end of the year. the trick is that it is a short-term stay. at the moment, the real question is what will happen in november. if you are vladimir putin, you are watching to see what happens to the american election in november, tosee what happens when donald trump comes back. donald trump has promised if vladimir putin can keep the land, trump would seek a peace deal and not promising additional aid to the ukraine. so this is the game changer. this gets us s through the rest
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of the year. super important because they are on the down side here. but the real decision is still up in the air until november. >> so this is $60.8 billion and peter you are indicating that it would be disbursed between now and december 31st but then what? the well could go dry? >> not sesinarily through december 31st, i don't know the exact details but normally this would be at the discretion of the administration. most of the money will go towards replennishing weapons that will go to ukraine. so we will replennish our stocks. there will be more money for the ukrainians to keep their lights on. there is a lot of money and up to the administration to parcel it out. if president biden loses the election, you can imagine he would try to get the money out
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before he leaves office. if not, then he may stretch into the spring depending on the situation on the ground. but this is needed to keep the ukrainians in the fight. >> absolutely. i do have the way the breakdown goes with the $68.8 billion. $23.2 billion to reflenish defense articles provided to ukraine. $11.3 billion for current u.s. military operations that are in the adjoining region. $13.8 billion for the procurement of advanced weapons system, defense articles, defense services , another $26 million to continue oversight and accountability of all of this aid and equipment that is being provided to ukraine. that is official. i just want to pose here a difference of reaction. you saw on the left of the screen, democrat lawmakers in a
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large group waving ukrainian flags. we caught marjorie taylor greene passing in front of the camera and issuing a thumbs down. right now they will begin the vote on the package to israel. that is for about 35% of what they are offering ukraine, about $26 billion in israel aid. aaron, with you, this is expected to pass, right? >> reporter: yes, that is the expectation at this point. obviously, there has been the back and forth over the last several months about support for ukraine and there has been a group in the congress that has been against sending this sort of support to ukraine. there has been wide support to make sure this doesn't happen. the hold up was the speaker bringing this to the floor for a vote.
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the biden administration's perspective on this is going to be that this is something that will long be necessary. so the expectation that we heard from the white house as recently as yesterday is that all of the ducks seem to be in a row for this to be able to pass to get through the house of representatives and adventurely to the president's desk. again, something that the president said is vitally important to helping the ukrainians and establishing and making clore to the rest of the world that the united states is taking seriously, the leadership role on the world stage and having this support available and ready to go to ukraine shows the world that the u.s. can stand in this position as it has and as it should continue to do. that's the perspective of the biden administration at this point. obviously, we are looking at a piece of this legislation hoar that will incloud security aid for israel as well and as we
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know, it already passed the security aid for the indo pacific which includes taiwan. >> we are are into the third one with the vote on israel. peter, you have progressive leader pramilla jayapal saying she would vote against this because she was concerned about there not being conditions on the aid to israel when it comes to the united states having declared quite clearly that the united states was not going to support aggressive offensive actions against iran in the wake of the last uptick of the last ten days or so. she felt conditions needed to be put on that. there will be a number that will reflect similar ideology in the vote here. talk about the bigger picture of that and what is being presented as offensive versus defensive support and how clear that is on
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the floor? >> well, we are getting a real picture of the division within the democratic caucus. we can see the numbers on the screen now. they are incomplete. as you can see, about 5 to 1 among democrats are for the bill versus part of the progressive left like and paul against it, 36 against it, suggesting a small sliver of the democratic caucus. contrast with the republican division over the ukraine bill, the majority of republicans voted against the ukraine bill. so there is a much deeper divide on whether to confront russia or ukraine. as loud as the left has been about the israel wr, most democratic members are siting with israel. it is easy to do because some of it goes to gaza, the humanitarian needs in gaza. so a lot of democrats who have concerns with how israel is conducting the war may vote for
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it anyway because they want money to go to gaza. there are a lot of reasons you could vote for or against a bill. but it is striking to see the difference on the policy bills. >> absolutely. let me offer the break down of the appropriations act 2024. it is breaking down the $26.3 billion for israel in this way. $4 billion to reflenish the iron dome and david's sling, missile defense systems, another $1.2 billion for the ern beam defense system that countered short range rockets and mortars as well. $3.5 billion for the procowerment of the advanced weapons system and the inansment and development of critical munitions. $4.4 billion to replennish defense articles and services provided to israel, $2.4 billion

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