going the wrong way on a street there. we normally expect everything in washington move at a glacial pace, but today, things moved pretty fast in the capitol, literally. this afternoon, a red bull formula one race car sped down pennsylvania avenue in washington as part of a promotional showcase. fastest movement on pennsylvania avenue is usually when members of congress are heading out on recess, like today. that will do it for me. thank you for watching, and be sure to tune in tomorrow to the sunday show when retired general wesley clark joins us live to discuss the newly passed foreign aid package, and his letter to president biden on the need for a new strategic approach for our new geopolitical era.

that's tomorrow at the clock p.m. eastern right here on 35. you can follow up on x, instagram, tiktok, threads. did i say all these things? yes, using the handle. can also catch clips of the show on youtube, and don't forget, you can listen to every episode of our shows as a podcast for free. scan the qr code right there on your screen to follow and listen anytime on the go. keep it here. amy moline is up next. hi, sorry for taking so much time of your show. not all, listen, i got to ask you, because you brought up a really interesting point about how fast things get done in washington, d.c. you know that city better than i do. how remarkable was it that you got members of congress to actually work on a saturday and get this finally done, even if it means speaker mike johnson may possibly lose his job? >> well, you know what? to me, it says that the issues, the foreign aid money, for ukraine, for israel, for taiwan, humanitarian assistance, that those things were actually important to these members of congress, and so they were willing to forgo, you know, some hours of some

days of their recess to get it done. >> yeah, it's always a reminder that when they actually want to do the work, they can do the work. to see you, my friend. we'll see you tomorrow, and good evening to you at home. tonight, a big day on capitol hill, as we were just saying. the house passing a set of long- awaited foreign aid bills. now, make johnson's speaker job is in jeopardy. we are live with democratic congresswoman becca ballot. why she voted no on legislation funding is real. plus, from the kremlin to congress, the chilling impact of russian propaganda seeping into american politics with the far right republicans taking the bait and a growing crackdown on protests in this country. -- daughter of congresswoman ilhan omar and her first tv interview since her arrest during april palestinian protest at columbia university. let's do it.

so after months of delay and dysfunction, house speaker mike johnson finally managed to push through a long stalled aid package. just hours ago, in a bipartisan vote, lawmakers approved three separate bills that will send billions of dollars in foreign aid to ukraine, israel, and taiwan. a fourth bill, including a variety of national security priorities, like a prospective tiktok ban and sanctions on russia, china, and iran also cleared the chamber. the senate is expected to take up the package, which totals over $95 billion early next week. that said, i highly doubt that mike johnson is taking a victory lap tonight. publican speaker is staring down growing threats of an ouster from members of his own caucus, with the motion to vacate that could come as soon as house lawmakers return from a weeklong recess. but republicans are the only ones dealing with some intraparty fractures.

although democrats held a mostly united front today, 37 members of the party voted against the israel bill, which would send roughly $13 billion in military assistance to the u.s. ally. progressives and others say the view, they view the vote as a make or break moral choice, one similar to congress's vote to authorize and fund the iraq war back in 2003. they argue that sending more offensive weaponry to israel without conditions amounts to an endorsement of prime minister benjamin netanyahu's handling of the war, which has left 30,000 palestinians dead and millions on the brink of famine in what some have called a plausible genocide. the coalition says they hope today's vote serves as a warning to president biden, underscoring the depth of discontent over his continued unconditional support for israel. 20 of those lawmakers who voted no explained their reasoning in

a new joint statement, saying in part, quote, this is a moment of great consequence, the world is watching. if congress votes to continue to supply offensive military aid, we make ourselves complicit in this tragedy. most americans do not want our government to write a blank check to further prime minister netanyahu's war in gaza. the united states needs to help israel find a path towards peace. let's discuss with one of the lawmakers behind that statement, congresswoman becca ballot, a democrat from vermont. congresswoman, thank you so much for making time for us. i know today has been a very long day for all of you. greatly appreciate you joining us. first, explain to our viewers why you specifically chose to vote no on this bill, and whether or not this was a difficult or an easy choice for you. >> so i did vote no, and i voted no because i felt strongly that there needs to be a more complete conversation happening right now around

israel and the war in gaza. and what i've learned from speaking deeply with my constituents back home is that most of my constituents support israel, they support israel as a sovereign jewish state. they want to make sure it is safe and secure. and they also cannot stomach what has been happening in netanyahu's war against gaza. so we had to hold both things, and i felt strongly that, okaying offensive military aid right now would be essentially to greenlight what would be happening in. netanyahu has not been secret about his plans to invade rafah. we know that there's over 1 million palestinians sheltering there . and i didn't feel like it was an opportunity for us to give voice to what so many americans are feeling right now. they want the united states to push israel towards peace, and although we also made a strong

statement regarding the hostage, we want the hostages released, we want a lasting cease-fire, we felt like this was an opportunity to make a very strong statement about how there needs to be a course correction when it comes to netanyahu's war in gaza. >> do you feel that some members of your caucus, congresswoman, share your sentiment, agree with your position, but perhaps are afraid to take a public stance on this issue for whatever reason, be it political, or their own electoral chances? but what is the sentiment, or the consensus among your party? >> i really appreciate that. all i can tell you is that i talked with many, many members of my caucus in the last few days as we were preparing for the no vote, and what we heard over and over and over again was, we know there needs to be a change. there needs to be a course correction. i think you're going to see more and more members in the coming days making their own

statements, coupling their yes vote with a very strong statements about what we cannot see any longer. i cannot express to you the number of people who had said this to us. we know that we are 37 who were willing to go on the record. there are many more that are not at all happy with the way netanyahu has been conducting this war. many, many civilians, obviously, have died, but also, there is horrible suffering going on right now in gaza, and we do not feel that netanyahu and his government has done enough to get aid through. >> you use the word course correction, and trying to get the prime minister of israel to avoid what is happening in gaza and change course there. you and your colleagues have also said that you hope this sends a message to our president, president biden, to change course. we've seen a wave of uncommitted voters also trying to accomplish that goal

throughout the democratic primary season. talk to us about that, and what you would like to see from the president, and what message this vote today, although it passed, this block of voters who said no, what message does this send to the president from the democratic caucus and also from a general election perspective? >> what i think the message is, and should be, is that we as members of congress are taking our role, both as the, the people who hold the purse strings and the folks who are representing our constituents, we are taking those roles seriously to say that what americans are expressing right now is an incredible frustration and anger at the way the war is being conducted, and that we have a voice that we had to use. now, that being said, i also want to be really clear. we are also a strong voice to say if you are not happy with the way things are going in gaza, if you are not happy with the leadership in israel, the

antidote to that is to vote for biden. it is not to vote for trump. so those folks who, i know, are wanting to have their voices heard, being uncommitted, the stark choice ahead of us is if you vote for donald trump, you are enabling netanyahu . if you vote for joe biden, here is someone who is committed. he has said it publicly. he's committed to a two state solution, lasting peace, sovereignty for both israelis and for palestinians. that's what i'm focused on. >> all right, democratic congresswoman becca balint of vermont, thank you so much for your commentary and insights, congresswoman. really appreciate it. >> thank you so much. so it let's continue this conversation now with my saturday night panel. florida republican congressman david jolly and msnbc political analyst eugene daniels, playbook co-author and right house reporter for politico. he is also an msnbc political contributor. it's great to have both of you with us. david, i'll start with you.

some democrats comparing this moment with the israel aid debate to a moral position back in 2003 against the iraq war. what do you make of that, and the number of democrats who came out today to vote no on what once would've been almost an automatic yes vote in support of funding more money to israel? >> that's right. the no votes today are significant, ayman. look, i think it's clear that the policy of the united states is still overwhelmingly pro- israel, to ally with israel in their current war. but we cannot overlook that the domestic politics, particularly within the democratic party, have shifted from what we've seen over the past several decades, and you see joe biden realizing that and trying to pay attention to those concerns. we have seen this in vote at the bell xbox during the biden democratic primary race. we're now seeing it on the floor of the u.s. congress. i think the white house is doing the best they can to attend to these concerns without actually breaking that strong alliance with israel.

i suspect this conversation, though, is going to dog joe biden all the way through november. >> let's talk about that for a moment, eugene. resident biden has been pushing congress to take action for months how much of a win is this for his administration that he will actually want to take credit for? >> yeah, i mean, and his statement afterward, right, it wasn't a victory lap, but, like, inc. you guys for doing your job lap, i guess, which is probably what we're going to keep seeing from the administration, you know, as this has toiled and toiled for months. the thing that he and his aides have said both publicly and to us on background and privately is that this is on then. this is on congress. they don't want to stay as involved. but where you saw their hands, and where they might grow a little bit, is convincing mike johnson, the speaker of the house, how important ukraine aid was, right?

-- he became speaker, they brought into the situation room in the white house. they went through all of the different reasons why aid was important. every single time that he came to the white house or they had a.i.d.s. from the intel community go to capitol hill to meet with him, they went through line by line, date by date what would happen if ukraine, or ukraine ran out of money, right? and so that might be where they crow a little bit, but i think at this point, what we start to see from this white house over the last months, especially after october 7th, is not trying to brag too much about things that are happening, right? not trying to brag too much about getting this kind of money to ukraine, or brag, especially, about giving money to israel, because, as david just said, the domestic politics within the party have, are completely different, and that's where you're seeing people vote and talk the way they are. it's a whole different world. it's changing little by little, but it's something that this administration and democrats are going to keep talking way past november.

>> david, johnson's detractors have basically now called him a lame-duck speaker. they haven't yet said when they plan to call for a motion to vacate, or to effectively remove him as a speaker. let me play for you what he had to say about that right after today. watch. >> as i've said many times, i don't walk around this building being worried about a motion to vacate. i had to do my job. we did. i've done here what i believe to be the right thing, and that is to allow the house to work its will, and, as i said, you do the right thing and you let the chips fall where they may. >> all right, so, i mean, johnson trying to play it cool there, right? he's like, hey, i got to do what i got to do. but how much do you think this constant threat of him losing his job is actually preventing him from effectively doing his job? >> yeah, first, look, credit where credit is due. we're seeing mike johnson mature a little bit in this job. now, he's still a hard-line conservative, but he has

decided to lead in this moment, and you saw democrats recognize that and offer support. i have long believed that mike johnson is not the speaker of the house come january. largely because it's probably hakeem jeffries. but even if republicans keep the majority, i think that's where you see mike johnson come up short with the votes. if they were to call for a motion to vacate now, and it appears that they will, i suspect democrats will back mike johnson, and the reason why, ayman, is this. there is very little legislation of consequence between now and the end of the year. on matters that really do count, including keeping the government open past october 1. johnson has shown us that he's willing to work with democrats to make that happen. so i would say to hakeem jeffries and democrats, look, it's okay to date mike johnson for about seven months. it doesn't mean you have to marry him, right? this is going to be a short- term relationship until you take a gamble. i don't think anybody wants disruption at this point. i think mike johnson hangs on through the end of the calendar year. >> okay, interesting take on why to stay in a short-term relationship there.

but, eugene, i got to ask you, though, with, i guess, johnson's majority set to shrink even further when lawmakers return to washington to pick up on david's point how much dating do democrats and house minority leader hakeem jeffries and mike johnson have to do, how much do the democrats have to date maga mike? >> not long, right? it doesn't have to be long. he can date a couple of democrats, right, because of how thin the majority is going to be. all of this is going to come down to how hakeem jeffries feels about it, right? whether or not he is telling his folks behind closed doors. he's mentioned this before publicly that as long as mike johnson works with and in good faith, and brought these, most important, the foreign aid bill to the house floor for a vote, that democrats might be, you know, kind of giving him a little flirtation there. we might be interested in dating you. i'll keep this going. and at this point, there's no reason to believe that's not going to happen, because

democrats know a couple of things. one, that he has offered, in good faith, in a way that kevin mccarthy did not, right? kevin mccarthy oftentimes was accused of talking out of both sides of his mouth to different, to the white house, to members of congress, and his own party, to different folks in his own party, and also to democrats. but also, democrats know very clearly that if marjorie taylor greene and massey and goes-r have their way, whoever's next is going to be worse for democrats. they don't think they can work with whoever might be waiting in the wings. so that's kind of where their heads are right now. >> all right, thanks to the both of you for starting us off tonight. started up next, doing russia's bidding. top republicans are sounding the alarm as members of their own party push kremlin lies in the halls of congress. congres. ? nah...not me. in a relationship. if you're sexually active and unvaccinated, it could still be you. i'm too old

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document. it is calling for a so-called offensive information campaign against a, quote, coalition of unfriendly countries. in order to stoke anti-ukraine sentiment, quote, kremlin linked political strategists and trolls have written thousands of fabricated news articles, social media posts, and comments that promote american isolationism, stir fear over the united states is border security, and attempt to amplify u.s. economic and racial tensions. now, here's the thing. republican lawmakers are actually falling for it, and amid the battle over wartime aid, some members of the house gop have been turning on their own colleagues. gop congressman michael mccall, head of the house foreign affairs committee, said in an interview with puck news, quote, russian propaganda has made its way into the united states, and it is infected a good chunk of my party's base. republican congressman mike turner, the house intelligence committee chair, added to the course and watch. >> we see directly coming from

russia the attempts to mask communications that are anti- ukraine and pro-russia messages, some of which we even hear being uttered on the house floor. the next former gop congressman ken buck chimed in as well, calling out moscow marjorie, a.k.a. marjorie taylor greene, who he says gets her talking point from the kremlin, like when she said some of her fellow congress members, quote, would love to send u.s. troops to ukraine. reviews are so in line with the kremlin that democratic congressman jared moscowitz filed a bill amendment earlier this week that would make her putin special envoy to congress. and then, there's, of course, republican senator tommy to prevail. >> we're thinking about getting ukraine more money. these people can't buy any more houses with what they've bought. they've got these houses all over the world. >> now, tuberville is not the only republican senator to respond to russia's anti- ukraine campaign. in a recent op-ed for the new

york times, jd vance argued that the math on ukraine doesn't add up, meaning the u.s. can't supply the amount of aid or weapons ukraine needs to win the war, and therefore, it should just evolve on its objectives. with me now to discuss this is molly mccue, lead writer of the sub stack great power and a writer and lecturer on russian influence. it's great to see you again. talk to us about this pushback. was the pushback on the ukraine a bill that we saw for the past few months and up until this vote today a result of a russian influence campaign? has that been the motivating factor for why some republicans, a majority of republicans have blocked it, or wanted to block it? >> i think some of them may not actually know why they're doing what they're doing, and i think that's why it's important that their colleagues, notably their colleagues who are spending time in ukraine, who spend time with our allies, who see all the intelligence on what is going on in the war and on what

is needed, are pushing back on this, and are calling it out, because for a decade now, there has been an aggressive kremlin information campaign targeting specific parts of the u.s. audience, and we know in particular that includes the further right part of the conservative movement, which has been echoing pieces of the russians disinformation rhetoric more so than before. and particularly on these key topics, and it's been really notable during the ukraine war in the last two years, during the full-scale invasion. >> molly, the disinformation that the kremlin is spreading, it doesn't seem like it's just about ukraine. it seems to be about issues that republicans are taking up, like the southern border. you know, racial tensions, economic anxiety. it's kind of a smart strategy on russia's part to kind of exploit this. we saw it in 2016. it seems to be the playbook

this time around as well, if i'm getting that correctly. >> that's exactly right, and it's this playbook. they use it in europe, the use it in the united states, they use it over and over again, to amplify narratives they see as divisive within the american political discourse already, and to sort of lean into them to then link them more directly to things they want discouraged, for example, you can't support ukraine aid because then the border would be insecure. and we've seen this, these tactics are not new. the narratives are not new. we've seen them for at least a decade, and they've been talked about on this network for at least that long at this point. and the sad part is, the number of americans that still absorb this information, repeat this information without reflection on the fact that our stated adversary, which is russia, putin's russia, says of these are the tactics they're using to weaken us in the world, to weaken us at home, and to weaken us with our allies. >> kind of try to figure out when this narrative began to infiltrate the republican party, could you put your finger on a specific time? did it start with donald trump? did it predate donald trump? did he accelerate it? how much of this would you argue is tied to him

specifically? >> what's so interesting is the movement of those data points over time, right? before trump, there was really -- who we've all forgotten about now. who was the one consistent voice sort of parroting what everyone was talking about, that we -- and, and now it's a much broader constellation of people, at least a dozen who use these talking points regularly. the republican vote today, yes, the bill passed, yes, finally, yes, this crisis should never have happened, but more republicans voted against the building for, and i think that progression of time, from just -- to then we have the gop convention that nominated trump as the candidate, where there was this debate about foreign policy, where there was pro- russian rhetoric put into the documents, sort of attempt to put this anti-ukraine language in. already back then in 2016. and since then, sort of the progression of, the normalization of these talking points as smart things, quote

unquote, for foreign policy, that we should be at home, but we should be paying to our own issues, we should not be paying attention to what's going on abroad. while there is this erosion, and this was the other part of the -- highlighted in the opening for this, where the -- the deterioration of corruption in the red sea, in the middle east, in africa, in latin america, there are a lot of places where russia is working to directly challenge u.s. interests, to cause problems for us because they understand that we're already kind of overwhelmed, and if we go back into our rachelle even more, which is a lot of what some of these republican adversaries to the bill were saying, it's much easier for putin to achieve his authoritarian goals. >> and of course there was the paul manafort's and the michael flynn's, who could forget those characters as well? molly mccue, always a pleasure. thank you so much. greatly appreciate your insight this evening. we're coming up, iran mocks israeli weapons as toys. is it more spectacle than strategy? we'll dissect that and more next. next.

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israel and ayman appear to be engaged in an elaborate set of choreography , as highlighted in their responses to what officials have confirmed with a limited direct israeli attack against iran early friday morning. countries have now played down the airstrikes and the possibility of further retaliation. for now. we should emphasize. but as the world watches, their actions seem more focused on saving face domestically. israel did not comment on the attack, but one hard-line minister hinted at his dissatisfaction, describing it as a week or lame response in hebrew. and then you had iran's foreign minister telling nbc news this. >> translator: what happened last night was not a strike. >> but did any other country tell you something was happening, and they were going to invade your airspace and attack possibly one of your bases?

>> translator: two or three, and a very -- they're like, more like toys than our children play with, not drones. it was not worth telling us before it happened. >> joining men out to discuss this is nbc news contributor and author. it's good to have you back on the show. you and i were talking last weekend as this escalation was unfolding between the attack by iran on israel, and now we've had the israeli response on iran, and i wanted to start with your reaction to that clip of the iranian foreign minister in that interview. he refused to acknowledge that israel carried out this attack. what do you make of the, of the statement, and why they didn't want to acknowledge israel was behind it, even though other countries have acknowledged it? >> well, other countries have said so, or at least various sources have said so. but israel itself has not

officially acknowledged it, so it makes it easy for the iranians to not acknowledge it. i was actually in the room with tom when he was doing the interview yesterday, and he was very clear that the foreign minister was almost a little annoyed at the suggestion that this was a reaction to iran's attack on israel. trying to really dismiss this as much as he could, even like you saw, as you just played the video, comparing it to, like, children's drones. he emphasized that the drones were shot down by iranian air defenses, but that they were, they came from inside iran. so any idea that iran is trying to, at least, this is what we're so far hearing, any idea that there was an attack from outside iran, or that there were missiles filed, iran is trying to play that down, for obvious reasons. they don't want to escalate. they've said they don't want to escalate. israel has given them this almost sort of a gift, that they have deniability, and because netanyahu has been

very, very vocal in the past for the last 20 years, really, about how horrible iran is and how we're going to strike a iran, how we're going to blow up their nuclear facilities if they don't, you know, stop their nuclear program. all of a sudden has been completely silent since the iranian attack on, or since the day after the iranian attack on israel. >> how much do you think deterrence has been re- established, if you will, for both of these countries? do you think that israel will think twice about going after a senior member of the iranian military, and whether it's in syria or elsewhere in the region at this moment, because of iran's response? >> well, it's possible. i mean, i think the iranians taliation against israel for its killing of the very, very senior commander of the revolutionary guard in damascus and the iranian consulate building. and, and i think that they showed that they, i mean, they

obviously telegraphed the attack for days on end, giving america and england and allies a chance to get their forces in the region, to be able to, you know, bring down some of these drones that travel ss of the car basically. took them hours for those drones to get from iran to israel, so there was plenty of warning. missiles were less of a warning, but a couple of missiles did, despite all that air defense, a couple of missiles did get through. didn't really do any serious damage. i think iran wants to show a number of things. one, that it could potentially, if it was going to have a surprise attack, get through, or at least some of its missiles could get through. and secondly, wanted to test the israeli defense. test the allied defenses. israel, i mean, some people are, analysts are saying what israel showed in this latest attack in iran just last night, yesterday, that it could penetrate iran, but i think

iranians, or anybody else, ever had any doubt that israel could have -- iran if they wanted to. so deterrence is already been there on israel's front. i think there's been less of a deterrent from iran, although, because of hezbollah and because of hamas and the houthis, i think israel's always been careful to understand that, you know, iran could do serious damage to israel if it chose. usually with its proxies. whether it's going to attack another ird see commander in syria or in lebanon or anywhere else, it's hard to say. it really depends on, you know, netanyahu and his hard-line government right now , whether they want to bring iran more into the , into the fight. >> it's always a pleasure. hank you so much for your analysis and insight tonight. take care, my friend. >> thank you, thank you. after the break, fired for protesting. i'll break down the tensions at google that reached a boiling

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employers from the protest group no tech for apartheid said in a statement, quote, this excuse to avoid confronting us and our concerns directly and attempted to justify its illegal retaliatory firings is a lie. google says it will continue to investigate the protests and take action as needed. it claims the protests were disruptive, and that demonstrators physically impeded other employees from doing their work or accessing facilities. the protest group rejected those claims, saying the peaceful sit ins did not lead to the damage of property or involve threatening other workers. in fact, the group described receiving an overwhelming show of support from their fellow employees. the tech company also claims the protests are part of a long- standing campaign by groups of people who largely don't work there. to be clear, more than 200 google employees are actively involved with no tech for apartheid, according to its members. backlash against project nimbus may be hitting a flashpoint

now, but it's actually been widening ever since google first signed the contract back in 2021. and it's in this climate that time magazine uncovered google has been negotiating with israel's government to even deepen its partnerships since the start of the war. according to a company document viewed by time. contacted with questions about the ministry of defense contract, a google spokesperson declined to comment further. and it's not just google cracking down on protesting workers. earlier this month, nearly 300 apple store employees published an open letter saying that they were disciplined or wrongfully terminated for expressing support for palestinians. the group of employees called apples for cease-fire rights, quote, we work here because we love this company, want to change lives, and make the world a better place. how can we do that when we remain silent on the most, on the issues that matter most? apple executives have not yet directly responded to the letters from the employees. next, the growing protest movement on college campuses,

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as a crackdown on protests against israel grows within the tech industry, pensions on college campuses have also reached a boiling point. at columbia university here in new york city, more than 100 people were arrested on thursday after occupying the

schools the south lawn for 30 hours in support of gaza. according to police, columbia president shafik asked the nypd for help, citing a, quote, player and present danger , but when asked to characterize the protest, a columbia spectator reports that police chief john chal said the soup was a clear and present danger was identified by columbia university, not actually by the nypd, and that the nypd reported no violets or injuries associated with the gaza solidarity encampment. among those arrested was trent 24 to 25, daughter of vanessa the woman ilhan omar. she had been suspended from neighboring barnard college and was protesting at columbia. covers woman omar posted on x that she was proud of her daughter, and, quote, stepping up to change what you can't tolerate is why we as a country have the right to speech, simply and petition enshrined in our constitution. trent 24 trent 25 is here with me now. also joining nversation, a fourth-year columbia student who helped organize the

protest. she was also suspended and arrested. it's good to have both of you with us. i know, obviously, a very difficult time for you and for a lot of people on the campus, but let me just start with how you see yourself being treated over the past couple of days. just kind of walk us through a few, what you have been told, why you have been suspended, and your reaction to it. >> yeah. i guess i was suspended thursday morning at 10 a clock a.m. with two other fellow barnard students. the email stated that we had engaged in disruptive behavior, but had not outlined the code of conduct that we had violated. the three of us were the only three that had done public interviews at that point, and so we think that our targeting, or hour, the reason we got suspended so early was due to the fact that we have made ourselves known, and then that the school got nypd records to be able to arrest the rest of the students.

how i'm feeling about it, however, i think a little bit, like, this was expected. we all knew that, we knew the risks, and we knew what we were engaging in. however, i wasn't really expecting to be immediately locked out of my dorm, of dining, of campus as quickly as i was. >> yeah, and to that point, you have been involved in the protests in the campus, around the campus, i should say. talk to us about what experience you have had, what did the university tell you as to the reason why you were also suspended, and whether or not you being treated differently than your fellow colleagues. >> so barnard seems to be a little bit more repressive than columbia. i was notified that i was suspended yesterday, whereas they were notified specifically and two other students were told that they were suspended before we were arrested, and they were locked out of their housing. i was not locked out of my housing. however, ironically, we were arrested on the grounds of trespass, meaning that we would've had to have been suspended in order to be trespassing onto our own campus, but then the suspension letter said you are suspended for violation of law because you are arrested for trespassing. so it doesn't really even make sense in the first place, and

it feels like it's part of a repressive campaign against pro- palestine advocacy that has been ongoing for months now. >> the university was saying that part of the reason why they took this action, certainly the president of the university, was because, as i said, it posed a clear and present danger in the university, perhaps threatening other students. talk to that charge. what was the encampment like to you? see any validity that the encampment was threatening to other students, made other students feel uncomfortable? >> no. i think that the encampment was honestly one of the beautiful forms of solidarity. we would be singing songs, we had meals together, people prayed together, they held shabbat yesterday, and it's really just been a very community centric space, and also because of the fact that it is outside, it hadn't disrupted any classes, and had really been a very isolated kind of moment where the zone in which we were actually protesting and got the demonstration zone that we are allowed to technically be able to protest in. and so the school had already placed this spot to be a place

that is meant for these kind of actions, and therefore, it shouldn't be seen as disruptive. >> and to that point, columbia university has a long history of college protests. did you you see yourself a continuation of that long history of protests, or do you see yourself as being a different form of protest, that broke from tradition, or does it continue tradition? >> we situate ourselves in a long legacy of activism, specifically on columbia's campus. in fact, in 1968, i believe over 700 columbia students were arrested when protesting the vietnam war. and so when we set up is in mint, we also set up a sign that said liberated zone which was a reference to a previous protest. i wrote about the first date we held a meeting with a professor about the history of the anti- apartheid movement on campus, south african apartheid was going on, and that's exactly what we were trying to do now when protesting our funding of israeli apartheid and genocide. >> so i guess if i, if you had to tell viewers, what is your

demand, what is your set of demands, if you have any, as to why you were engaged in this protest on this campus, what would they be? >> our three demands are divesting, or asking columbia university to divest from all companies that are complicit in genocide and actually have a hand in genocide, as well as transparency of columbia's investments. these are not public information as well as amnesty for all students that are actively being repressed, and that were also suspended due to these pro- palestinian protests. >> and is there a way to have done it beyond the income it? if you were trying to get this information from the investors or the college board, could you not have done it in any other way? why a protest in this form? >> it feels like a peaceful escalation was the only way to make our voices heard, because the school was ignoring us at every turn. we tried peaceful protest, and then they change their policies and retroactively, you know, they suspended students for justice in palestine and jewish voice for peace for peacefully protesting completely

illegitimately filed a lawsuit for that. we have tried referendums, they have pushed back on the referendums. so it really feels like a peaceful escalation was the only way. >> do you feel it's because of the nature of these protests and what they're supporting? do other student groups have this kind of target on their back, or do you feel that you are being targeted because of the fact that it is in solidarity with palestinians and against what israel is doing to palestinians? >> no, this is 100% targeted. every single protest that we have, there's a group of counter professors that bring all of their items, their flags, things like that, and they're not seen as having unsanctioned protest or really receive the kind of disciplinary warnings that many of our fellow organizers received just for being seen at these protests. and so there is definitely some hypocrisy here, especially, you can kind of see it with the students that were, that were, sprayed us with the chemical weapons, and the fact that there's no public information as to what happened to them, but rather, the university is actively discussing what is happening to the students here and making it a whole public spectacle rather than, when we haven't done anything to

physically harm students, whereas those that sprayed those chemical weapons physically harm students. >> yeah, i think it's a testament to the palestinian exception to free speech. i thought i came to columbia because i thought it was a progressive space for people who care about social justice and human rights, and at every turn, i have been shown that that doesn't apply to palestinians like myself. you know, my peers, my classmates have friends and family that are still trapped under the rubble and we are being criminalized on our own campus, quite literally being taken out and zip ties because our president thought that we were a threat. >> let me ask you, finally, we don't have much time, but where do you see things going from here in terms of, do you get a chance to appeal your suspension? is there a chance for it to be reversed? are you considering any legal action against the university for how you were treated? >> yeah, absolutely. every single one of us a starting the appeal process. we are all waiting for our hearing dates to see what exactly has happened. the way that the university and

the college has gone about this is definitely unlawful, and not even following their own rules and so there will be, we will be doing whatever we can to see fit to protect ourselves to be able to finish out our term, and if that becomes legal action, then that is exactly what we will be doing. but in the meantime, we stand in solidarity with those at the encampment, and thankfully, they are still there and they're still holding it down. >> all right, thank you so much. i greatly appreciate your time this evening. thanks. a new hour of ayman starts after a quick break. don't go anywhere. anywhere. . millions of americans were estimated to have it. they've tried artificial tears again and again, but the relief is temporary. xiidra can provide lasting relief. xiidra treats the signs and symptoms of dry eye disease. don't use if you're allergic to xiidra. common side effects include eye irritation, discomfort or blurred vision when applied to the eye, and unusual taste sensation. doctor: why wait? ask your eye doctor about a 90-day prescription for xiidra today. if you have chronic kidney disease you can reduce the risk of kidney failure with farxiga.

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