what he will criminalize. and who he will put in jail. and to me what we think about elections, my students are concerned about this, they're concerned this would be the last fair election that they would be able to vote in. because to your question, you know, he -- he will do whatever he can in his power with guardrails, without guardrails, to find a way to promote his power, to expand his power, and to empower those that are incredibly loyal to him. and if you're going to be concerned, this is the time to be concerned. >> well, there is a lot of information for people to understand where trump's head is, as they consider who to vote for in this upcoming election. and thank you so much, eric, for sharing that with us and joining us today. susan del percio, basil smikle, thank you as well. that does it for us today. see you back here tomorrow, same time, same place. i'm ana cabrera reporting from new york. jose diaz-balart picks up our coverage right now.

good morning. happening right now, tensions are es escalating on college campuses across the country. we saw clashes in madison, wisconsin. joining us now, cat carol, managing editor at the badger harold, joining us from the university of wisconsin campus. good morning. what happened there this morning and what is it like right now? >> good morning, thank you for having me. around 7:15 this morning, police officers, law enforcement from the university police, the wisconsin state patrol and state and county and madison police -- that the encampment would be taken down and they remained on site until about 9:00 a.m. they left all tents. they left tables up with supplies and water for

protesters. all tents were removed. over a dozen individuals were arrested. and the police have left, some campus police are patrolling the area, but there are a couple of tents that have gone back up since police left. >> and so, cat, this -- when did this intensify. i understand that a lot of those students and the protesters have been there since at least monday. what is it looking like now? >> yes, so it is definitely intensified this morning. it has been peaceful, it was peaceful all day yesterday, and on day monday, protesters stayed overnight monday night and tuesday night and then this morning around 7:15, that's when officers came and that's when things intensified. >> and so, you were saying that the police, the majority of them actually stepped back. what can we expect for the rest of the day? >> yeah, well, university spokespeople have not yet given information about what the rest of the day will look like. but the encampment is gone and

that's why university -- why police stepped back, so i'm not sure what the rest of the day looks like. looks like police are patrolling to ensure safety, but protesters have said they put up new tents. >> cat carol, thank you for being with us this morning. very much appreciate it. thanks. >> thank you. and overnight, in columbia university, in new york, police entered the campus and cleared a building that had been occupied by protesters. we should note the school said the occupation of hamilton hall was led by people not affiliated with the university. in los angeles, protests turned violent on counterdemonstrators clashed with pro-palestinian protesters at the university of california. joining us from columbia university is nbc's rehema ellis live from the university of north carolina, sam brock joining us from ucla, liz kreutz. what is it like on campus today? a very intense overnight.

>> reporter: yeah, like night and day, quite honestly, jose. behind me is one of the entrances to columbia university from amsterdam avenue and there are no drums, no bullhorns, no chanting, no screaming. it is an orderly flow into that campus and out of that campus. people have to show their campus identification cards in order to enter the campus. and it is very different from what it was a few days ago. you point out that nypd officers were invited on to this campus after the university officials say that they had been engaged in talks with students. the students broke down and it was the occupation of hamilton hall which is right behind me and that led to them saying that there had been vandalism, trespassing and they were afraid there was going to be some sort of physical harm to students on campus. so, they invited them in, mayor adams talked about what it was

like going in as the president of columbia university said this operation had been co-opted by outside agitators. mayor adams says something very similar. take a listen. >> many people thought that this was a -- just a natural evolution of a protest, it was not. these were professionals that were here. >> reporter: he says professionals that were here. according to the mayor, he says there is a movement to radicalize young people and it is happening with influences from outside forces. we should tell you that once the occupation of nypd officers began yesterday, in the evening, about 9:00, it was over in about two hours, police said. according to the mayor, there were no major injuries and no violent clashes. he says nypd is trained for years to engage in these kind of events, and they were able to

execute this in an orderly way and without involving students in major injuries. what have they been charged with? trespassing, criminal mischief and burglary. we're told there are about 300 arrests from the campus here at columbia university and city university up the street from here, about 40 to 50 people, we're told, were taken out of the hamilton hall, which is behind me. and according to the university, they're asking nypd officers to remain on campus for the next few weeks as they try to get through the graduation ceremonies. jose? >> and, liz, so let's go to the west coast, after a violent clash overnight at ucla. how are things today? >> reporter: well, hey, jose, yeah, i mean, things are really calm here right now compared to what it was like overnight. it was absolute chaos here as counterprotesters showed up and tried to make their way into the

encampment here, violent clashes broke out between these two protests and we saw images of some of these counterprotesters allegedly throwing fireworks into and around the encampment, some students here said they witnessed pepper spray and tear gas being used, some students hitting each other with poles and sticks and the number one thing we're hearing from so many students on all sides is why did it take so long for any kind of security or law enforcement to come and break this -- break up the groups? it took hours before finally police arrived. the mayor of l.a. tweeted, okay, we're bringing in lapd, lapd showed up, chp and the sheriff's department and there is a heavy police presence here now. they did not come here, though, to tear down the encampment. that is still allowed to remain as of now. it is day seven here. these students were told by ucla last night before this altercation that what they're doing is unlawful and

essentially said you're going to need to leave, but did not give a timetable for it. so as of now, the encampment remains. ucla has been trying to allow them to be here to not bring in a police presence like we have seen at other campuses, but in turn then we have seen these clashes like we saw overnight. and so the question now is how long are they going to let this stay here. will they let the students stay here overnight and if, so, how are they going to make sure it stays safe, jose? >> and, sam, yesterday we saw violent clashes at chapel hill. >> reporter: unlike what liz is seeing now on ucla's campus, there is no encampment here. days of friction on the campus led to a boiling of sorts yesterday. it came after the university said you have advanced warning, we're going to dissolve this encampment that was in effect for five days. you don't see a single tent. the only vestige of what happened yesterday that is still left is this barrier erected

along the flagpole here and that, jose, is because pro-palestinian demonstrators had taken down the american flag, and replaced it with the palestinian flag. this went back and forth, several times over the course of hours. as far as detainments and arrests, there was a total of 36 yesterday. of the 36, 30 of them were cited for trespassing and released on the spot. but of them, ten were unc students, 20 were not, as we talk about that dynamic between how many of these protesters are actually students versus folks coming in from the outside. then you had another six people that were taken to the local magistrate's office, three of them were formally charged with trespassing. i want to read you a statement from the interim chancellor here, lee roberts, who spoke after the situation calm down, about what the upshot of all this is. he said, no one has the right to disrupt campus operations materially nor to threaten or intimidate our students nor damage or destroy public property. previous protests this year have concluded peacefully and without

arrests. that changed sunday evening when protesters back tracked on their commitment to comply with the policies. we must consider the physical safety of all of our students, faculty and staff. in addition we are alarmed at the rising accounts of antisemitic speech and we categorically denounce this and any other incidents of prejudice. things are calm on campus. i'm standing in the middle of the quad. it is the balance and fine line that so many universities are trying to establish, not just between freedom of speech versus public safety, but also the idea you walk around campus there is families here and students taking their graduation pictures. they're getting ready for final exams. juxtapose against the chaos we're seeing on campuses across the country and it continues. >> sam, the u.s. is the flag that is flying right behind you? >> reporter: sure is. and i would add, jose, when they restored it for a second time, there were just quite a striking moment, chants of usa, usa, dozens upon dozens of students locked in arms as this went back up and the university's interim

chancellor was out here as well, overseeing that process. they wanted to make sure there was not going to be another example of this flag coming down again. >> rehema ellis, sam brock and liz kreutz, thank you very much. joining us now is jessica schwab, a junior at columbia university, jessica, thank you for being with us this morning. you were there and you actually filmed when protesters broke into hamilton hall. you were there last night. take us back to, well, that first series and then what you saw last night. >> yes, so i arrived at hamilton hall not really knowing what to expect until i saw a crowd accumulate and then i saw students who were already inside hamilton hall, they seemed to have, like, sleeping bags, bags that made it seem as though they were going to be staying inside hamilton hall. and then i saw a student bash the windows in with a hammer and then proceed to put a bike lock around the outdoor door handles and then zip tie the other door handles of the second door at

hamilton hall and then students were shoving furniture up inside to barricade the inside, and then shoving tables, very heavy metal tables with groups of pro-palestinian protesters, and they were putting them as an outer barricade and then taking more tables, zip tieing those two together and just to compound that barricade and using human chain as a third barricade. >> so, jessica, a few times you said i saw students breaking in, i saw students moving this. are you certain that the ones that were actually breaking and entering were students? >> i noticed some of them were students, their faces did look familiar. and there were certainly people there who were not students, they almost seemed like professional burglars, which made it even more scary because they don't have anything to lose, and so, when you're dealing with a situation like that, there is so much

unpredictability, and they don't care for the safety of the university or the sanctity of its property. so, that just heightened the level of fear. >> jessica, how do you feel at columbia? do you feel safe? have you felt safe? >> recently this past week i have not felt safe. it has been a very tense, very scary atmosphere. however, last night, when i noticed that the tents had come down, it felt like i could breathe deeply again knowing there wasn't this constant space of animosity and, like i said, unpredictability about how people were going to view you, if you weren't wearing a mask and you should be allowed to wear whatever you would like without being antagonized for your beliefs and have equal access to the spaces on campus that we all pay for. >> i just -- how do you feel, how do you process this as a student, you know? you're studying, this -- the 15th of this may, 1st of may today, some students are going

to be graduating, what is it like? >> it is very tough. it is extremely distracting. i was speaking to one student and she was trying to study for her mcats and said three protesters came into butler library with a megaphone, yelling free palestine, and, you know, we could have noise canceling headphones, but their chants, you can hear very, very clearly, it is extremely disruptive, and, again, a lot of the jewish students on campus, they have decided, some not to come, and some to take their classes virtually and others they deal with the fear and choose to remain on campus because they don't want to reward these protesters' scare tactics. >> it is an extraordinary state of affairs that we're living through. i want to also congratulate you, jessica, the work that you've done, what you've been filming, the way you've filmed it, it all has been very, very important and i thank you. thank you for being with us

today. >> thank you so much. appreciate it. up next, one of the country's most restrictive abortion bans go into effect today in florida. why that will shut down abortion access to millions outside the state as well. overseas, new details about negotiations over a cease-fire deal in gaza as israel's prime minister meets with secretary of state blinken. and later, a look ahead to tomorrow's gag order hearing in trump's criminal hush money trial. we're back in 60 seconds. you're watching "jose diaz-balart reports" on msnbc. you're watching "jose diaz-balart reports" on msnbc. nothing dims my light like a migraine. with nurtec odt, i found relief.

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victims of rape, incest or human trafficking, up to 15 weeks of pregnancy as well as an exception to save the life of the mother. joining us now, nbc news correspondent marissa parra. you have spoken to clinics that were scrambling to see patients before today. what did you learn? >> reporter: well, what i learned is every single abortion clinic i spoke to across the state, whether the smaller clinics or larger clinics like the planned parenthood behind me, every single one of them described from the moment that decision dropped, the state supreme court on april 1st, they all have been scrambling to squeeze in as many appointments as possible, knowing very well on may 1st they would not be able to provide the same care. so, many of them describing working double time, if not, you know, working through lunch, putting in long hours and describing the longer hours, describing it filling their rooms to max capacity ahead of what we knew was coming.

so, what is interesting, jose, today is the first day of the new law, but we started seeing the impacts yesterday because in florida, if you don't know, it is a two-visit minimum. you have the consultation on one day, 24-hour waiting period and after that 24 hours can you receive the medication or the procedure. and so, it was yesterday that they had to start turning any woman away who was beyond six weeks and then today, of course, we're now seeing that official law go into effect. and there are exceptions for things like incest, rape, fetal abnormalities, the life of the mother, but i just finished an interview with a physician, she provides not just abortion care, she also provides care for high risk pregnancies. so she has a lot of experience in this realm. i asked her about the exceptions to the law. i said, i'm curious, do you feel like it protects physicians and the mothers enough? and she said the simple answer is no. take a listen to what she said. >> if we have these exceptions that are very, very narrow, that

absolutely don't encapsulate or speak true lived medical circumstances and that come with them threats of persecution, prosecution, fines, imprisonment, loss of license, well, of course, physicians and healthcare systems aren't going to want to risk that. >> reporter: now, jose, this is the first day of the new law here in the state of florida, but this has far greater impacts across the region. when you look at the map of abortion laws as they stand today, you will see that the states surrounding the state of florida have very strict bans. we're talking about either a total ban or a near total ban. so, up until this week, we would see, florida would see patients coming in from surrounding states, particularly louisiana, mississippi, georgia, that is up until this week because now any patient seeking care, whether it is this state, elsewhere, they're being redirected to north carolina, to virginia, of course we know that adds time, that also adds money and so

remember too, this could all change come november. voters could overturn this should they decide to pass this. but this, as you mentioned, is becoming a hot button political issue and i want to add one thing as well. that physician we just heard from provides care not just in the state of florida, also in arizona, also in kansas, so we know that this is a topic that is going to be a main topic ahead of 2024 and not just here in our state, but across the country. jose? >> marissa parra in jacksonville, thank you very much. stay with us. we're going to be speaking to a florida doctor who performs abortions about what this means for her patients. up next what israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu just told secretary of state antony blinken about prospects for a cease-fire with hamas. at home, how protests on college campuses could affect the 2024 presidential race. you're watching "jose diaz-balart reports" on msnbc. le you're watching "jose diaz-balart reports" on msnbc. weightlessly smooth hair

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24 past the hour. right now, secretary of state antony blinken is wrapping up an urgent visit to israel where he met with prime minister benjamin netanyahu. he's pushing for a new cease-fire and hostage deal as netanyahu once again vowed to go through with a ground operation in rafah with or without a deal. the secretary also met in private with family members of american israeli hostages. then, addressed the current offer with a crowd gathered

outside. >> there is a very strong takeaway now, hamas needs to say yes and needs to get this done. that is our determination, and we will not rest, we will not stop until they're reunited with their loved ones. >> joining us now from tel aviv is nbc's raf sanchez. it seems like time may be running out for a deal before israel acts in rafah. >> reporter: jose, that is certainly the impression that the israeli government is giving over the last couple of days. they have made a point of releasing footage of israeli tanks outside of gaza, massing, preparing to go in. now, prime minister netanyahu has said he is prepared to delay a ground offensive into rafah if there is a hostage deal. but he says it will only be a delay and he is determined to send israeli troops in one way or another. secretary blinken wrapped up a long meeting with the israeli

prime minister earlier this morning. it sounds like they did not reach any agreement on what is now a pretty fundamental divide between the united states and israel about the wisdom of going into rafah. the u.s. has been saying consistently it does not support any large scale ground attack without a plan to get those million plus civilians out of harm's way. in terms of the cease-fire negotiations, jose, there was a note of hope overnight and israeli negotiating team did head to cairo, that was a delayed trip and they felt there was something worth discussing in terms of this proposal that would see the release of 33 hostages in exchange for 40 days of cease-fire and the release of potentially thousands of palestinian prisoners. now, we are waiting for hamas' formal response to that proposal. we spoke it a senior hamas official earlier on today, he is

saying it could be several days still until the group gives that response. he says one of the major sticking points at this point is this question of whether this cease-fire is temporary, which is what israel wants, or whether it would lead to the end of the war altogether as hamas wants. >> raf sanchez in tel aviv, thank you very much. there are new developments in haiti. the transitional council has chosen a new prime minister and new council president. it is part of haiti's efforts to establish a stable government amid an escalaing in gang violence, which has killed more than 2500 people in the capital in the first three months of this year alone according to the u.n. some council members are threatening to fight the decision to appoint the former sports minister as the new prime minister, it comes less than a week after the former prime minister formally resigned.

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so, trump is heading to wisconsin. and michigan, to hold rallies. testimony does resume tomorrow in his new york hush money trial. the judge is also going to be holding a hearing on what the prosecution alleges are more violations of the gag order by trump. yesterday, the judge held him in contempt of court over nine violations and fined him $9,000. also yesterday, jurors also heard from several witnesses including keith davidson, a lawyer involved in arraning hush money payments for karen mcdougal and stormy daniels, two women who claimed they had sex against trump. with us more to talk more about this, "new york times" investigative reporter susan craig and maria snyder, former assistant state attorney for broward county, florida. keith davidson, key figure in the hush money payments. what is the prosecution's goal with having him on the stand? >> yeah, he certainly is a key figure, he was the lawyer as you mentioned for both stormy

daniels and karen mcdougal. the purpose of having him up was he sets up how the deals were structured. so he represented both women. he was aware that both women in the case, both of them, that it was a catch and kill situation. meaning that the "national enquirer" was going to buy their stories and they wouldn't run. and he also puts michael cohen in the middle of it. he had multiple dealings with michael cohen. and he also says in his mind he felt that trump knew about what was going on, he didn't establish how he knew that, but it was sort of in his mind, of course, trump was in the middle of it because he was dealing with michael cohen who was at that time donald trump's lawyer. >> and so, maria, how would keith davidson's testimony be so important or central for the prosecution? >> you know, the bottom line is that this is a circumstantial evidence case. just like any other homicide or any other big case, sometimes they're made based on surrounding circumstances. there is no direct evidence that

trump was actually involved in these negotiations. so you have to look at all the circumstances that surround the deal, that surround the activities that were going on and trying to establish, you know, what the payments were going to be. that's why mr. davidson is such an important witness because he's probably the closest link to trump. he represented the women. and he was dealing specifically with mr. trump's lawyers. so, those are the circumstances that the prosecution hopes are going to tie trump sufficiently to the hush money payments. >> so legally, how does -- where is the threshold on, you know, like, sue was saying that davidson said he felt that trump knew about it. legally where is the threshold on how someone says they feel versus evidence? >> well, again, that's going to be up to the jury. the trier of the facts. the jury will have to evaluate all this evidence and find whether beyond a reasonable doubt they believe that it ties trump to the knowledge, to the

actual deals. and that's why it is, i think, important to look at this, like any other criminal case that is based on circumstantial evidence. at one point it was believed that the circumstantial evidence to be sufficient to convict had to do away with every other hypothesis of innocence. that's not the state of the law anymore. at the end of the day, it is completely up to the jury who is the trier of fact. >> so you've been in court for every day of this trial. trump and other leading trump supporters were in court yesterday. how did that play in the courtroom? >> i talk about that, but i also want to make one other point, i think that the lawyer that -- the lawyer that was up yesterday, that put together the deals, he's a piece of this. we had david pecker on for a week, who had direct dealings with donald trump and i think that's really important that all these people are sort of building a picture for the jury, where they're going to say at the end, is it possible donald trump didn't know after they

heard all of the pieces of information. so i think, you know, that is how i'm looking at the testimony that it will continue this week of the lawyer that represented both stormy daniels and karen mcdougal. but, eric was in court yesterday, he's the first family member to have shown up, and he was -- he sat right behind his father, and was fairly quiet for, you know, he was -- he sat there and was listening to the testimony. >> and, maria, what will you be looking for when the judge holds this hearing to consider other gag order violations? >> you know, that's an interesting question. the judge, i think, will have to be very carefully evaluate the actual statements that mr. trump is making. mr. trump has been ordered not to engage in certain activities, not to engage in any kind of negative or disparagement of the jury, because potentially that could bring the rath of his followers on those jurors and they could be intimidated by that. same thing for the lawyers. same thing for the judge.

mr. trump has been posting and i understand that yesterday while he was still in court, povertied a tweet or perhaps it was an email, that said something to the fact that this was a witch-hunt. i anticipate he'll be arguing those are not disparaging comments to the individuals that the judge has ordered him not to disparage, that those are general comments that as a citizen he is entitled to make. so i think that the judge is going to have to do a lot of weighing. i think a lot of the behavior comes up to the line, doesn't go quite over it. some of it i'm sure the judge will find it does as he already has with the nine penalties that he's imposed. but it is going to be a great deal of weighing of specific words, which sometimes i think becomes very kind of, like, high school, he said, she said, i didn't say that, i didn't mean that, and, you know, it is quite interesting to watch. >> in a criminal trial. so very interesting. susan craig and maria snyder, thank you both so much for being with us this morning. really appreciate it. up next, we're going to talk

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mother. some providers warn the law prohibits doctors from stepping in when a pregnancy isn't viable. joining us now, dr. chelsea daniels, a board certified family physician, she's is an abortion provider in florida and a member of the committee to protect healthcare reproductive freedom task force. thank you, doctor, for being with us this morning. just wondering what your biggest concerns are today, and the -- your biggest takeaway about the impact that today will have going forward. >> thank you so much for having me on to talk about this. this is very important. the biggest impact of bans like this, any ban on abortion, is on the patients and on our communities because we know that this is essential basic healthcare and when we start to curtail a patient's ability to make decisions about their bodies, and about their reproductive freedom that has devastating life altering impacts for our patients.

>> you know, last year more than 9,000 out of state patients went to florida for abortion care. and that, of course, doesn't include the amount of people that live in florida that do so. what impact do you think this is going to have nationally. >> yeah, i think that while the majority of abortions done in florida are for floridians after the dobbs decision, our out of state numbers did quadruple as the southeast and parts of the midwest imposed more and more restrictive abortion bans. and, last year florida did 80,000 abortions and i don't know where all of these patients are going to go. and i don't think that there is any one state or any one clinic that can accommodate all of these patients and it makes me extremely worried and it absolutely just devastates me and for what it means for my patients. >> 84,000 in the state of florida alone.

this ban prohibits abortion after six weeks. doctor, can you tell us, like, how early is six weeks in a pregnancy? >> yeah, great question. and also just to your shock about 84,000, i think that just goes to show how normal abortion is, and which is why it should be treated just as any other normal medical procedure is treated. but to answer your next question, six weeks of pregnancy is early, extremely early. that means that you have just missed your period, two weeks prior. so that means that you are someone who has a regular period, and realized you missed your period immediately, and then you have two weeks to realize you missed your period and get in to see a doctor. which is a lot to do in two weeks. and doesn't even begin to address all the people who do not have regular periods and so may not know that they have missed a period. >> what are you hearing from other physicians about this ban? >> we are all terrified.

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lawmakers who are grappling with how to handle it. democrats enter panic mode as gaza protests erupt. top republicans announce new plans to fight anti-semitism by holding more hearings with university administrators and potentially withholding federal funds from colleges that don't protect jewish students. president biden faced criticism over the war in gaza. is what's happening on college campuses impacting biden's political campaign? >> i touched base with some of the individuals in president biden's campaign today and asked, are they hearing a lot about the campus protests? is this happening -- are people coming into offices across the country talking about this? they said, no, they are hearing more about economic concerns and

abortion. they are not -- the college campuses are not driving what people are saying to them on the ground. two things can be true at the same time. just because people are not -- we see the people in the streets. on the campuses. i do think it is -- there have been a number of protests on campuses across the country. if you juxtapose that with polling about what are the issues young people care about, at the top of the list, it's the economy, abortion pops up. if you ask how they feel about the president's handling of the war, he gets low marks. to me that says that all of the things need to be addressed. i've seen lots of things in the papers, online, on television about the protests. there were press conferences that some held at columbia yesterday. i did not see reporters at the press conference ask the students about how they feel about the progress that is reportedly being made, about the

deal that's on the cusp that the president has helped negotiate with qatar and saudi arabia to get the hostages released and a 40-day cease-fire. i have not seen or heard much about the fact that there's a real progress and normalization talks between israel and saudi arabia if israel -- prime minister netanyahu doesn't invade and comes to the table. the deal is on the table. it seems they are speaking favorably about it. we are waiting to hear if they are going to accept the deal. the people are in the streets because they want something to happen. protest -- they disrupt because they feel unheard. i think that the white house and the president are hearing them. we're not -- the two things are not coming together. >> do you think that this moment could in a way become a movement that could have an impact on the

national political discourse? >> it's pretty clear that the war that hamas provoked in the middle east has become a culture war issue in the united states now. republicans do perceive the opportunity to go on offense and to hold democrats accountable. democrats are in a difficult position, because while most americans support israel and don't support the tactics the protesters have used in the united states, a portion of the democratic base does. president biden has to walk that fine line and nod to those democrats who have sympathized with hamas, who have been extremely critical of israel, while at the same time not losing the political center. that's where most americans are. most americans support israel in this war. most americans do not like what they are seeing on college campuses. that's why you will see

republicans going on offense with this issue. >> how do you think -- primary democrats could handle or should handle that balance? protecting the right of people to protest versus the anti-semitic chants and anti-semitic actions by some demonstrators, how do you politically navigate that and continue to grow your support? >> you stand true to your values. anti-semitism has no place here in america. people who are yelling anti-semitic chants and are acting out acts of violence against jewish people and jewish students, those are not folks that are on the right side of this issue. saying the people that are spewing islam phobic chants -- those people are not on the right side of this issue. i really think we have to back up here for a second. again, multiple things can

coexist. it's the attack on october 7 -- it was a terrible terrorist attack on the israeli people. the response to that terrible attack is the israeli public are publishing the palestinian people. that is something we should -- we can agree is not right. i do not think anyone across america believes that innocent children who live in the gaza strip should be -- deserve to be bombed because of the actions of hamas. that's why a solution here must, must, must come quickly. that's why the negotiations in cairo are so important. >> the negotiations going on in cairo could very well have a successful outcome. there could be a brokered cease-fire or pause. some, if not all, of the 130 plus hostages in the hands of

hamas in gaza could be coming out. would that be enough, do you think, to in a way lower the temperature of some of the people that we're seeing on our screen now that have been going and being very vocal inside up to 50 universities in the u.s.? >> that's right. i think for the biden administration, it's important to get this issue off the front page, to really lower the temperature, lower the volume, hope that some of the protesters move on, because as long as this is front and center, republicans are going to continue presenting it as a culture war issue where they have a clear advantage, according to the polls. >> just as we wrap up, i want to bring up that i got a chance to be with simone over the weekend at the white house

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