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tonight, donald trump gets ready to head back to court for his criminal trial and another gag order hearing. after spending the day on the campaign trail in wisconsin and michigan then college campuses on the edge, of an escalating protest over the isreal-hamas war. and the far right's push to get rid of house speaker johnson, why democrats are coming to his rescue as the 11th hour gets underway on this wednesday night. good evening once again, i'm stephanie ruhle, we are now 188 days away from the election, are you ready for that? today it was donald trump's day off from court and he used it to remind voters that he's actually still running for president, that even on the campaign trail, is new york criminal trial was on the top of his mind. in wisconsin, he railed against what he called the totally conflicted judge. yesterday, the judge held trump in contempt for repeatedly
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violating the gag order which dance him from speaking about jurors and witnesses. the judge find him 9000 bucks but he threatened him with jail time. tomorrow, court will resume with another hearing about more allegedly gag order violations including the statements. >> when are they going to look at all the lies they've told, they got caught lying in the last trial. >> that jury was picked so fast, 95% democrats, the area is mostly come across. >> michael: is a convicted liar and he's got no credibility whatsoever. >> the jury was picked so fast and trips team signed off on it, please note that he still not going bad on david . the
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new york case was not the only thing that came up at trump's campaign rallies, in michigan, he took credit for overturning roe versus wade and turning the abortion rights issue over to the states, his comments come as florida strict six week ban goes into effect and as arizona's state officially repealed a near-total abortion ban. the democratic governor of arizona said she will sign the repeal into law tomorrow but it won't take effect until 90 days after the state legislature adjourns for the summer. let's get smarter with the help of our panel. our panel
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madame joyce, judge merchan, who is not totally conflicted, i want to remind our audience, held trump in contempt yesterday, the gag order hearing number 2 is tomorrow. how do you think he's going to handle the second set of the legend violations, people are annoyed that trump is only paying nine grand but that's all the judge can do. >> that's right, the statute requires the judge to impose no more than a $1000 fine per incident of contempt, and he can put trump in jail in the lockup at the courthouse or whatever other mechanism he wants to use for up to 30 days but i think the judge may have found his path forward, and that's having something to hold over donald trump's head, trump
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has moderated his behavior in the last week. it's very likely that the judge will look at these new contempt allegations and say he's going to hold his decision in advance and that would mean that if trump were to violate again, he could immediately go ahead and take him into custody. with donald trump, that sort of stick approach seems to work the best. he has to appreciate what he's up against before he can finally moderate his behavior, and look, the judge is mostly interested in ensuring the integrity of these proceedings. he wants to get to a verdict here more than he wants to do anything else. so getting trump to play by the rules is uppermost in his mind. i think that's the option he will take although he certainly could put the put him into custody overnight or for a weekend if he chose to at this point. >> on the show we always say the truth matters but only if you hear it. republican senator tom cotten recently posted this, the threat to lock up trump for exercising his first amendment right is outrageous. now tom cotten, went to harvard
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law. every time i hear him say something like that it makes me feel even better about my lehigh education. he knows better. what on earth is he doing, just backing trump no matter what because this is not outrageous, it is the law. >> that's right, i think that's a really savvy assessment, he's backing trump no matter what, tom cotten knows that trump does not have a first amendment right here that exceeds the reasonable tailored and narrow restrictions that the judge has placed on him in order to protect the integrity of the trial. this doesn't have any legal significance, it's pure political support. >> molly, you are taking notes, i must take you, keith davidson has emerged as a key witness, we will hear from him again tomorrow. what is your take on his testimony so far, he's a name that nobody even heard of until last week. >> he is like david pecker and that he sets the stage, he
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speaks to the documents, he speaks to the hush money contract and the fake names and the way they did it, and again, remember, there are two things they want to prove, one is that this wasn't about melania, this was about -- it totally wasn't, and we all do that but the defense, they want to say that this is about protecting melania which of course it wasn't, and the other thing they want to prove is that this helped the campaign and i think that he is a really good witness for that and is also really clear and part of i think the play here is that to sort of save the very dramatic witnesses, these are the witnesses who just sort of set the table, show you the documents and tell you they are real and i think that's an important part of the trial. >> new topic, donald trump is out there on the trail, lying, falsely linking president biden to these protests as though the president is condoning or
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supporting these protests in some shape or form, that is categorically false, but how tricky is it for president biden, to message on this, to address this because he is stuck between republicans, his own party, and protesters, how does he walk the line? >> trump categorically lies about everything. i mean he even had a truth today about the protest were to distract from the southern order. >> stop calling it a truth. >> yes, this is a very tricky situation. you know, you have so many elements at play, you have foreign stuff, you have the middle east, you have protest, you have the police, i mean, you cannot get a more fraught subject and you also have students and thank god that it is may, and that the schools are almost out for the summer.
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>> come the summer, that's when we see more and more protest in this country maybe not necessarily on college campuses but things are going to get dicey, how difficult is this for president biden? he needs to figure out his position on the protest and at the same time, he is contending with this megaphone of misinformation and donald trump lying about the presidents ties to it. >> molly is right, this is such a complex issue and when i speak with white house officials they say the president's top priority is looking at what he can do to pressure the benjamin netanyahu government in israel, what he can do to try to move these cease-fire talks, try to get the hostages released, the politics is secondary. what's striking is when you
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talk to the allies they think that he is missing a moment to do what president biden does best which is to take a very complicated issue and bring his empathy, bring his sense of understanding to this, to tell those who are demonstrating across the country and those that were just concerned about this quietly at home that he understands their concern about this and he is doing everything he can to deal with this problem. you look at what happened four years ago, we remember the protest that emerged all across the country even in a pandemic after the murder of george floyd, biden then candidate biden was out there very quickly, he gave a major address, talking about the importance of supporting law enforcement but also the pain that african americans were going through, that might change next week, the white house announced that the president will give a major speech next week at the u.s. capitol about anti-semitism. we know how strong the president has supported israel and spoken out against anti- semitism. this is also an opportunity for him to maybe address those demonstrations, those who are behind them, those who are trying to peacefully protest to say that he hears them as well. >> at one point, at one of trump's rallies today, he actually admitted that he asked to be taken to the capital on january 6th, so it's like, his
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lawyers and republicans for the last three years are trying everything possible to distance trump from january 6th and it sounds like he's saying, yeah, i presided over it. if you are jack smith, if you are prosecuting donald trump for election interference, do your ears perk up? it's like, is he helping to make your case? >> look, i suspect that molly isn't the only one taking notes today, right? i mean, when you have trump making a comment like this at the raleigh -- rally in wisconsin, jack smith is getting the video clip. if this case ever makes its way to trial, i think we will hear the prosecution play that for jurors, to show that trump was not distant from january 6th, he was engaged, he encouraged, now, that's not may be the same thing as proving absolutely
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that he intended to obstruct an official proceeding but it's getting awfully close, and in cases whether it's this one or manhattan, they are built on circumstantial evidence, that means not just one piece of evidence or one witness but layer upon layer of evidence which makes it unlikely that that intent wasn't there. this is a great piece of evidence for the prosecution. >> today vice president harris was in florida and she explicitly tied donald trump to the abortion bands, like the six week restriction that went into effect today, but then she added this. >> momentum is on our side. just think about it, since roe versus wade was overturned, every time reproductive freedom has been on the ballot, the people of america voted for freedom. from kansas, to california to kentucky, in michigan, montana, vermont, and ohio, the people of america voted for freedom. and not by a little, but often
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by overwhelming margins. >> all right, president biden has a lot of a compass mints, and infrastructure, around climate, around the economy but none of them are easy to message. is abortion the clear issue that this campaign sees to get people to the polls? >> when you look at just about every poll and every demographic, you see the cost of living, the economy is the number 1 issue for voters but the biden administration knows that they can go on that issue of reproductive rights, look at where harris said it, she was in the battleground state or what used to be the battleground state, the biden team has been cautious, wary, about the investment of significant money resources into a campaign in florida when it might distract from the
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court eight ground states that they have built their campaign around but what we have now seen is not just vice president harris today, but president biden, just a few weeks ago, traveling to florida, they see this as an opportunity for a game changing moment in a key state and all across the country, frankly, to go on offense, i remember stef talking to one of the closest advisors, ahead of the kansas referendum which ultimately the pro-abortion sides won, this is this will be an issue that no one sees coming, they will underestimate the power of women in the selector and they have proven that, that at every step of the way. >> you know what cracks me up when we say president biden's closest advisors and it is an actual person, when you say trump's closest advisors, it's not a 0% chance that it's trump disguising his voice as someone else talking about it.
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all right, michael, molly, joyce, thank you. it's time for an update on our dj t tracker, following how trump's media company is doing after rising for the last few days, the stock fell more than 9% today and closed at around 45 bucks a share, the reason? there is none. as i've said time and again, trump media is not a real company. you know when a stock goes up or down, it's usually based on something fundamental about the business, not trump's, remember, this is the man who once said his net worth was up or down, based on feelings, and i can't believe i'm saying this but dj t proves he might actually be right. one thing we know for sure, new filings with the sec confirms that the donald was awarded 36 million more shares last week,
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free money, he didn't pay a dime, that means he now owns 65% of all the shares available and at today's prices, that is around $5.2 billion, at least on paper, he can't sell any of the shares until september and a lot can happen between now and then so we will keep watching and make sure you know what's really going on every day. 5 billion bucks, that's a number. when we come back, tensions boiling over and colleges across the country over the war in gaza. our next guest tell us what it's really like at two campuses in the middle of the protest, and later, marjorie taylor greene, refuses to drop her threat to oust republican speaker johnson, vowing to force a vote next week but without republican support, who is this motion for? the 11th hour, just getting underway on a very utbusy wednesday night. wednesday night. not found in traditional dish soaps that remove food and grease 5 times faster.
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tonight, police are responding to pro-palestinian demonstrations on college campuses across the country, classes were canceled today at ucla after police responded to a violent confrontation between protesters and counterdemonstrators early this morning. this was the day after the nypd made arrests at columbia university, they removed demonstrators at fordham university as well. >> tonight, police crackdowns continue on college campuses across the country, at the
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university of wisconsin madison, classes, for officers injured and dozens of protesters arrested. jewish students say they also want their voices heard. >> we just want to show that we are here and we are not scared. >> at the university of texas dallas, tents were taken down. meanwhile columbia university said it had no choice but to call the police. >> the police are making their way onto the campus, dozens of officers. >> more than 100 were arrested. police releasing this video showing officers in riot gear taking back control of the historic hamilton hall and the encampment. today, faculty protested the police intervention. >> it's clear that shared governance meaning the capacity of faculty, students and staff to interact with administration to come to resolutions of
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difficult problems is the lesson learned from 1968. that lesson was lost yesterday. >> at ucla, tensions between protesters boiling over as counter protesters some in masks, stormed the pro- palestinian encampment overnight, violence erupting, videos show some protesters fighting and fireworks thrown into the encampment. eventually, police in riot gear arrived but made no arrests. >> there's a heavy police presence here and a lot of tension on campus. by count, nearly 50 colleges and universities having cabinets with students demanding their schools divest from israel over the country's war in gaza, places like yale, indiana university and arizona state, two schools, brown and northwestern have reached preliminary agreements to de- escalate tensions. the unrest playing out in different ways on some
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campuses, this american flag at unc put back in place and protected in part by a group of fraternity brothers after protesters had replaced it with a palestinian flag. it's part of the history of protest on college campuses hoping to spark changes. but the right to protest has limitations. >> there's robust protection for first amendment activities when it comes to speech, expressive conduct, but there are limits, and one of the limits obviously is violence. >> it is complicated, here to discuss, professor of israel studies at ucla and columbia university senior,, former editor in chief of the columbia spectator and a fellow at politico. doug, what is going on at ucla? >> as of now, the protest encampment is still there in fact, many more students who have come out to express support for the protesters,
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there's a lot of police on campus and it's quite possible that they might be moving in as i speak, to try and clear the encampment, but the students that have barricaded themselves inside that encampment, they are determined to stay and so, i think there is going to be unfortunately some sort of showdown sooner or later between the police and the protesters inside. >> you are a student at columbia, i want to understand, what is the mood there today, is a small portion of students, or is half the campus involved, is it outside agitators, what is the field there? >> i will say first, it was extremely quiet on campus today, that is in part because very few people are actually allowed on campus, the faculty are not allowed on campus unless they happen to live
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there, that goes for students as well so there was hardly anybody on campus. >> are you taking classes? >> it's reading week, finals week is next week but it's quite difficult to focus on that, i think everybody's minds are elsewhere, not a single library is open, we actually just got guidance from the provost saying faculty members should consider going easy on us for our finals and all the finals have been pushed further. >> going easy on you, you are some of the smartest kids in the entire country, that you got into columbia, and now, this is where you are. okay, four years ago, you lost your senior year in high school because you were stuck at home with covid, fast-forward, it is your senior year in college, and you are locked in your dorm room of an empty campus, how does this feel for you?
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>> i mean, personally, i've been reporting on it, so it's been exciting, but it's also been difficult, as a person who is a member of the community, to watch this happen, last night, i was standing on campus, and i watched hundreds of nypd officers strain in, and forcibly arrest hundreds of protesters, many of them who were students. they removed the people who were occupying hamilton hall and they also removed the people who had formed a human change in front of the doors. >> students are asking that universities divest from israel. that's complicated, right, endowments invested all sorts of things, not one specific company now brown and northwestern were able to reach deals with their protesters, after looking at their investments. a, do you think that the protesters realize what a complicated request it is, and b, do you think it's a good idea? >> well, i think they realize how difficult it is for any university to disentangle its investments from a country like israel in a highly globalized economy, particularly as they are calling for that only divestments from israeli companies, there's probably
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very little investment by ucla in israeli companies but they are calling for investment that seemingly does business with israel and that includes you know, many companies including major tech firms, so, i think it's pretty much impossible for a university endowment to divest in that manner given how difficult it is just to identify whether they have those kinds of investments and i also doubt whether even if that were to happen, it would actually really be effective, i don't think it'll be effective in the short term in terms of changing israel's behavior in the gaza strip, bringing out and into the war but these kinds of demands, with divestments at least is often more symbolic than substantial, it's about demonstrating opposition or disapproval, rather than actually trying to bring about real policy change which i think is very unlikely
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to happen. >> you say that you are against what israel is doing in gaza but you are not standing with the protesters on your campus, explain. >> aside from the issue of divestment which i think is likely to be ineffectual, another demand of the protest encampment is to call for a complete boycott of israel, now as an academic, i believe academic freedom is essential and i believe that exchanges with colleagues around the world including israeli colleagues is important. i believe that students gain from studying abroad programs including israel, the idea of having an academic boycott, i think it's really not the way to go. i think it just ends up hurting
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students who might wish to study in israel or study abroad in israel, so i think the demands are problematic and i also take issue with at least one of the groups that is involved in these student protests, and that is students for justice in palestine. the national chapter in the immediate aftermath of the october 7th massacre, basically celebrated it, basically came out and said they support what they call resistance which includes -- against israeli citizens. so i think although many of the student protesters are moved and appalled by what they see happening in the gaza strip, or want to stop that, i think some of the organizations behind this protest, they have a more extreme agenda and they have failed to really distance
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themselves from groups like hamas and failed to condemn terrorist attacks against civilians. >> thank you so much, thank you for being here. good luck on your graduation, may 15, i would love to see you get to walk at your graduation. didn't get to do it in high school, you deserve to do it in college. marjorie taylor greene does not have the votes to fire house speaker, mike johnson, but she's going to try anyway. how cast like this is pushing lawmakers right out the door. when the 11th hour continues. hos ♪ safelite repair, safelite replace. ♪ ♪ i have type 2 diabetes, but i manage it well ♪ ♪ jardiance! ♪ ♪ it's a little pill with a big story to tell ♪ ♪ i take once-daily jardiance ♪ ♪ at each day's start! ♪ ♪ as time went on it was easy to see ♪ ♪ i'm lowering my a1c! ♪
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once he became speaker, he's become a man that none of us recognize. mike johnson is not capable of the job. he's proven it over and over again. next week i will call the motion to vacate, absolutely calling it. >> if there's one thing house republicans can always promise these days, it's more chaos. congresswoman marjorie taylor greene said today that she will force a vote to oust house speaker johnson next week, blaming his decision to pass emergency aid to ukraine but that motion is doomed to fail thanks to democrats, who promised to support johnson against the motion.
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mark, what is your take on this? >> well, republicans have clawed away at the bottom, and the problem is, even though it's a slim majority, they are in the majority and increasingly, they are realizing they can't go home and say that they've done anything and they are starting to get the signal including and especially from donald trump that this ain't working for his reelection, and all they've got to do is look back to harry truman to see how he came and wound in a comeback because he ran against a do-nothing congress and they realize if that happens, that's not an asset for donald trump so increasingly people are getting the drill that all marjorie taylor greene is a human agitator and she's clawed her way to the bottom. >> joe, it's your first visit to the 11th hour so we will make you answer the impossible, ntg doesn't have the votes to get rid of johnson so what does she have with this?
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>> she gets a lot of attention from the far right base, i was at that press conference this morning and it was a freewheeling thing, she was wearing a maga hat at one point, she likes to do this, and it gets that attention that she wants and i think that's why you might see a few more but certainly not enough republicans, and support her call it's she does do this. as far as democrats, they can say that they are interested in governing which is been shown that they are, that's why they have gotten the foreign aid package and johnson, that's not something that's going to last forever, it might be this one time or another time, who knows? >> i'm obsessed with this, the new york times did these exit interviews with lawmakers from both parties who decided to leave congress this year, watch this. >> one word i would use to describe congress, i would say
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-- >> dysfunctional -- >> chaotic. >> very challenging. >> difficult, last year when the republicans took over, they passed 27 bills which made us the most unproductive congress in any given year in the united states history. >> dysfunctional. >> dysfunctional. probably a popular word you are hearing. >> is it any wonder they feel this way, look at what marjorie taylor greene is doing today. >> when i see people like ken buck from colorado, where i am, he was one of the leaders of the freedom caucus and he's the guy that is saying that it's dysfunctional. most members of congress, actually go there to do something but the problem is the goal of people there now, who are increasingly in power, people like marjorie taylor greene, their goal is dysfunction, their goal is chaos, their goal is not to govern but create attention, so for people who actually went there to do something, that's
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highly problematic, those are the people that are leaving and it leaves a vacuum that attracts only people who are there to get you know, for the attention mr. -- machine like marjorie taylor greene. >> marco rubio, little marco as donald trump like to call him, is reportedly trump's current favorite vp pick. but your colleagues at the bulwark say there could be a problem with two guys from florida on the same ticket, explain. >> so the constitution does not allow two people from the same state to be elected president, they don't get to collect those electoral votes, trump is now a florida man though he is staying in new york and he has a club in bedminster, new jersey, but he is a florida resident, so, one of them would have to move and obviously, that would have to be whoever the running mate is in this case, it would be marco rubio, other than what was settled in the 2000 case with the cheney and george bush in which the cheney left texas for wyoming,
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there's a lot of legal challenges that come up from this and what those would look like, we don't even know yet. but in terms of this being a problem, i think it's pretty obvious that the trump campaign has a lot of legal problems already, but if they want to take on another that would prompt lawsuits, like we saw in the example of them trying to remove him from the ballot in colorado, he's been able to beat these things and marco rubio could always move, though, who knows if he would pay >> marco, trump is not just going to destroy your life, you have to sell your house and move and screw up your entire family. joe, nice to have you here for the first time. when we return, we're talking grievances, they are natural, they are part of being a human being, but what happens when they become so overwhelming they become the state of the world? we will end up with the state of our politics, grievance
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but turn up the volume for this, the blame game, the politics of grievance, and victimhood, they have been major factors in america's political conversation in the last decade or so especially right now, six months from the presidential election so how did we get here and what does it mean for our country and more importantly, where do we go from here? i'm honored to welcome my friend frank bruni a professor at duke university, his new must read book is out, the age of grievance. frank, this is such an important book because you point out that grievance is actually what got this country started, right, we need sort of respectful, passionate grievance, but now, it's defining our politics. how did we get here? >> many different ways, we've gone from negative partisanship to, the internet and social media have done us no favors, they've given each of us a different set of facts and information we can have conversations that are predicated on the agreed-upon set of facts, we have turned pessimistic in this country, not many americans have the kind of faith that they once
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did. and if you no longer think the pie is expanding, you have a more jealous, competitive attitude about your piece of the pie and you see everything in public life is a zero-sum game. you are in competition with your fellow americans rather than in collaboration with them. >> was there a time in yours or my life that it was collaborative? >> it's all a matter of degree. we've seen political fighting forever, going all the way back. i think it has an intensity and a tone right now that is if not new, magnified and more destructive than in the past. >> in the book you talk about the erosion of all sorts of things, for me, it's the erosion of decency that's a huge problem but you talk about the erosion of compromised and not just in politics like i get why there's no compromise in politics, if you let those guys when that means you lose but we've actually stopped compromising in our daily
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lives, why is that? >> that's what cancel culture is, if you don't believe everything i do, if you say something that offends me, you are gone, there's no mercy. you talk about things that are eroded, what about nuance? what about the appreciation for complexities, these days, something happens and you develop your opinion and you shout that opinion and if somebody else's agreed with you you sell them down, and there's no kind of respect for difference, there's no respect for complexity and there's no respect for nuance. >> how do we get it back? >> we talk to children about it in school, i teach, i get them when they are already in college, and i will say, college students that i've taught at duke, they don't fit the caricature of some of the coverage that we see right now. what we are seeing is not every college student. >> if you were to watch the media right now, everyone is like wire these college students doing this or it seems like this is overwhelming, every college student at every campus in america. what are you seeing?
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>> at duke there's a lot of students who feel passionately about what is happening in gaza is wrong and they speak about it bluntly, they are not turning lunt -- we don't live in a culture that gives them the opportunity to do that. they look around and when they look at the adults in their lives, certainly when they look to washington and congress, they see people taking absolutist positions, shouting at each other, playing by an ethic that he shouts loudest will win the argument. that is the message they get and it's astonishing that most of them don't end up turning everything up to a boil but they don't.
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and the future of our planet. or that social security won't be here for them. what they just live through with covid and the state of our political system and the state of the way adults treat one another. is that fueling the feelings that they have? >> absolutely. inherited a broken world and they look at the adults in their lives at the adults around them. and they don't see people trying to fix the problems. >> so this doomsday end of the world everything is so angry. do you think it is overblown? the media capitalizes and amplifies the divide. but you live right outside a college campus. i live in a community where people do help one another every day. so many of us help one another during covid. is there a chance or a hope c
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that any of this is overblown? >> it is enough people to be concerned about. but we need to do a better job of underscoring the hopeful stories and talking about solutions rather than just the problems. >> victim hood is another kind of theme in your book. and iit is the people who complain about victim hood the most. the snow flakes, the weak. they are the same people who have capitalized on it. donald trump is the world's biggest victim. just ask him. others would say he is the luckiest guy in the world. >> he is the luckiest guy in the world. you just had marjorie taylor greene. but she is another example of that. she looks across the political a divide at people on the left
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and say oh my god, all they can do is wine. that is all she is doing every day with her conspiracy theories and pressing this ri narrative that the entire world is stacked up against her and the people who believe as she does. she is cut from the same cloth as trump and looks at other people and throws stones and living in a glass house. >> suffering in her own personal peach tree. >> it is owso hard to be marjor taylor greene. >> it is. >> frank, it is so great to see you. when we come back, president biden has baked up i cannot believe that to you. baked up a new plan to reclassify marijuana. college students are cheering down in duke right now. how this easing restriction could impact the country in the future when the 11th hour continues. the 11th hour ntinues. ♪) the best way to solve a problem is to keep it from happening. (♪♪) at evernorth, we combine medical and pharmacy data with behavioral health data
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who possessed marijuana, only possesses marijuana go to jail. it is affecting communities across the country including communities of color. they asked the department of justice to look into this. >> the last thing before we go, high times. a historic shift this week from the federal government on its stance toward marijuana. the justice department will be changing the schedule of the drug. blayne alexander has the details. >> reporter: marijuana has been listed among the world's most dangerous drugs classified alongside the likes of heroin or ecstasy, but the biden administration is looking to reclassify the drug to schedule 3 like ketamine, testosterone or tylenol with codeine which
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would allow it to be more easily studied for medical benefits. the possession and distribution of it is still a federal crime but would recognize it as a drug less likely to lead to addiction. >> what does this mean for incarceration rates in america? >> hopefully it means a step closer to lowering those rates. >> reporter: 70% of marijuanas believe it should be legal. nearly half of states have legalized it for recreational use. but tonight one opposition group says the cannabis industry has lobbied heavily to sell demonstrablely harmful products. >> no one should be jailed. >> reporter: president biden
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has already pardoned thousands of marijuana offenders. and the move could garner political support this election year, particularly among young voters. it still has to go through a public comment period. >> who said president biden is not pro business? with that, i wish you all a very good night. ari is up next. make sure to tune in tomorrow when i will be speaking to robert deniro about his worst nightmare. a second trump term. and why he has become so vocal in politics. you do not want to miss it. but for now i will say thank you, from all of our colleagues across the networks of nbc news, thanks for staying up late with me. i'll see you at

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