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did it start with donald trump? did it predate donald trump? did he accelerate it? how much of this would you argue is tied to him specifically? >> what's so interesting is the movement of those data points over time, right? before trump, there was really -- who we've all forgotten about now. who was the one consistent voice sort of parroting what everyone was talking about, that we -- and, and now it's a much broader constellation of people, at least a dozen who use these talking points regularly. the republican vote today, yes, the bill passed, yes, finally, yes, this crisis should never have happened, but more republicans voted against the building for, and i think that progression of time, from just -- to then we have the gop convention that nominated trump as the candidate, where there was this debate about foreign policy, where there was pro- russian rhetoric put into the documents, sort of attempt to put this anti-ukraine language in. already back then in 2016. and since then, sort of the progression of, the normalization of these talking points as smart thin
did it start with donald trump? did it predate donald trump? did he accelerate it? how much of this would you argue is tied to him specifically? >> what's so interesting is the movement of those data points over time, right? before trump, there was really -- who we've all forgotten about now. who was the one consistent voice sort of parroting what everyone was talking about, that we -- and, and now it's a much broader constellation of people, at least a dozen who use these talking points...
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so this is something that we know that donald trump wants to do. he uses anti-immigrant rhetoric as bait for an extreme portion of the american people but they are not the majority of american people and for those individuals that are saying that the politics is too messy for them and they do not like the back and forth, they don't like the fact there is too much tension, we need you in the game, because otherwise, by sitting it out, it is someone like donald trump that will take the white house and what he intends to do with our democracy is ensuring that not only are individuals but people that are not white will have their rights violated and everybody else and when he talks for example that he does not believe in an abortion ban, don't take him at his word because he told us that he does. we have to make sure that we are all on red alert when he says he wants to weapon eyes the department of justice, he will. >> time always flies when i get one of you on a show with me , but the two of you together, like the time just warps. i think you both ve
so this is something that we know that donald trump wants to do. he uses anti-immigrant rhetoric as bait for an extreme portion of the american people but they are not the majority of american people and for those individuals that are saying that the politics is too messy for them and they do not like the back and forth, they don't like the fact there is too much tension, we need you in the game, because otherwise, by sitting it out, it is someone like donald trump that will take the white...
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the jury and the legal system will decide what should happen to donald trump. president biden needs to be, and is focused on what he has and will continue to do for the american people. and how he will continue to fight on the issues that they care about, whether it is reproductive freedom or addressing climate change or building an economy from the middle class out, that leaves no one behind. those are the issues that constituents across the country are talking about while the media likes to focus on donald trump and his sideshow circus, the american people are focused on who is going to address the issues that we care about on a day to day basis. >> thank you congresswoman jennifer mckellen. let's dive deeper into this criminal hush money trial of the former president, donald trump, which begins in earnest on monday after a full jury was selected this week. joining me now is msnbc legal analyst, danny ceballos. thank you for joining me today, danny. the judge initially set aside two weeks but in five days they were able to seat 12 jurors and six alternates. w
the jury and the legal system will decide what should happen to donald trump. president biden needs to be, and is focused on what he has and will continue to do for the american people. and how he will continue to fight on the issues that they care about, whether it is reproductive freedom or addressing climate change or building an economy from the middle class out, that leaves no one behind. those are the issues that constituents across the country are talking about while the media likes to...
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there is so much going on today including donald trump said to speak in a matter of hours. his first beaches since the start of his trial just days before opening statements and a crucial hearing on the gag order in the case. much more on that coming up shortly. >>> let us talk with what we've seen unfold over the past few errors in aware saturday session of the house of representatives. the house passing a quartet of bills, two of them of writing new u.s. aid to israel and ukraine. upper contain security systems for taiwan in the indo pacific region. on the last involves the effort to force tiktok's parent company to sell it or be banned in the united states. the reason for the password effort of separate bills, the inability of mike johnson to find enough common ground to pass this as one large foreign aid package. the four bills will be packaged as one and they will go to the senate for approval sometime in the next few days. altogether the build include $95 billion of an aide package champion by joe biden for months now with some changes from the version past two months
there is so much going on today including donald trump said to speak in a matter of hours. his first beaches since the start of his trial just days before opening statements and a crucial hearing on the gag order in the case. much more on that coming up shortly. >>> let us talk with what we've seen unfold over the past few errors in aware saturday session of the house of representatives. the house passing a quartet of bills, two of them of writing new u.s. aid to israel and ukraine....
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donald trump is not immune to that. just because he might be convicted and/or found guilty it does not mean i would want to vote for him as president. i think it is different than we have heard in the past. he is innocent, not even a question of possible guilt. even if he is guilty, there is still a possibility i will vote for him because politicians have faults. >> that is an interesting distinction. i will sit and think on that. thank you so much. joining in right now is ms nbc legal and assist, and coauthor of a stable genius. she is also a msnbc contributor. welcome, ladies. joyce, donald trump is contending he cannot get a fair trial in manhattan. of what you saw in the jury selection process this week, can he? >> reporter: this was a fast jury process. some folks have been suggesting it might take a couple of weeks. instead, it just took days. i think this was a fair process but it is a legitimate concern when you are donald trump and a public figure, can you get a fair jury? what we saw here was jurors who had so
donald trump is not immune to that. just because he might be convicted and/or found guilty it does not mean i would want to vote for him as president. i think it is different than we have heard in the past. he is innocent, not even a question of possible guilt. even if he is guilty, there is still a possibility i will vote for him because politicians have faults. >> that is an interesting distinction. i will sit and think on that. thank you so much. joining in right now is ms nbc legal...
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>> donald trump is in the courtroom. the courtroom is lrjly empty except there are some pool reporters. until they bring the prospective jurors in. that's why most of the media are in an overflow room and watching closed circuit tvs. we have a view of donald trump and his lawyers, a view of the government lawyers. >> so multicameras right. we have a view of the judge. we do not have a view of the jurors because they are trying to keep their identities anonymous. in the courtroom, he can see them and the government have a view of them and a list of their names and information. >> can you give me one word that describes your observation of donald trump? what you think he is projecting? >> i think it was interesting, the times he was engaged, laugh, or look up and taking note when someone said they had read the art of the deal. there was one juror who said she liked to watch tv at night and laughed at that. you were getting a lot of reaction but that was the sort of thing we were seeing in terms of interaction with the juro
>> donald trump is in the courtroom. the courtroom is lrjly empty except there are some pool reporters. until they bring the prospective jurors in. that's why most of the media are in an overflow room and watching closed circuit tvs. we have a view of donald trump and his lawyers, a view of the government lawyers. >> so multicameras right. we have a view of the judge. we do not have a view of the jurors because they are trying to keep their identities anonymous. in the courtroom, he...
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how did trump react? >> the incident with the jury intimidation was when a juror was waubing out, trump made a remark that was audible to be heard in the overflow room and picked up on the microphones and the judge. the judge rolly went apoplectic. he was really making the case that he is not going to tolerate any juror intimitation in his courtroom. this has been a subject that has been an issue for all of trump's criminal cases for along time. trump likes to make comments about prospective witnesses and jurors. he has been going on about that on his social media account and that's partly why he will be before a contempt hearing on tuesday to answer for his social media post attacking people like michael cohen and leaking and posting articles from the new york post attacking other trial witnesses. this is going to be aneshue and it will be an issue throughout the trial. if trump can stay seated, if he can stay a proper defendant and adhere by the rules, otherwise he will find himself in a great deal of t
how did trump react? >> the incident with the jury intimidation was when a juror was waubing out, trump made a remark that was audible to be heard in the overflow room and picked up on the microphones and the judge. the judge rolly went apoplectic. he was really making the case that he is not going to tolerate any juror intimitation in his courtroom. this has been a subject that has been an issue for all of trump's criminal cases for along time. trump likes to make comments about...
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donald trump, this is governor roy cooper, donald trump is responsible for north carolina's abortion ban, that restricts women's freedom to make their own health care decisions. since donald trump stands between a woman and her doctor, north carolinians will stand between donald trump and the white house this november. i mean, that is some strong messaging. is it enough to be able to say that reproductive rights are on the ballot in november, when you have donald trump waffling on whether or not he supports the national ban? >> we know that the abortion issue is bedeviling republicans. we have seen a trail of republican losses since the overturning of roe v wade. i don't think by itself, it is enough. i think it has to be done in complement with the economic accomplishment story. and also, frankly, the threat to american democracy that the maga republican project led by donald trump represents. but, that trifecta, the economic progress, the dangers of the freedoms that are going to be overturned and have been overturned on abortion, reproductive rights, and the threat to democracy. t
donald trump, this is governor roy cooper, donald trump is responsible for north carolina's abortion ban, that restricts women's freedom to make their own health care decisions. since donald trump stands between a woman and her doctor, north carolinians will stand between donald trump and the white house this november. i mean, that is some strong messaging. is it enough to be able to say that reproductive rights are on the ballot in november, when you have donald trump waffling on whether or...
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one protester was assaulted by a trump supporter at that event and after that trump supporter was arrested, trump suggested he would pay his legal bills. this is a problem that is no longer being treated like a problem within the republican party. it is emblematic of a party that lacks leadership and does not have a unifying ideology. that's why we are seeing the chaos on capitol hill that we are been talking about this morning that is going on right now. joining me now is special correspondent from vanfy fair, and an msnbc political analyst. molly, we did not touch on the fact that donald trump at the beginning of his rallies, he has one tonight, he has that weird national anthem that is sung by the january 6th chors who he called hostages and patriots. they were people engaged in violence. you can say they were to blame or suckers but he honors this political violence, day in and day out. >> he elevates political violence because he wants to create an example for others. these are the really violent january 6th protesters who ended up in jail. a lot of them were held accountable but only
one protester was assaulted by a trump supporter at that event and after that trump supporter was arrested, trump suggested he would pay his legal bills. this is a problem that is no longer being treated like a problem within the republican party. it is emblematic of a party that lacks leadership and does not have a unifying ideology. that's why we are seeing the chaos on capitol hill that we are been talking about this morning that is going on right now. joining me now is special correspondent...
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only the first week and clear that candidate donald trump is frustrated by how much defendant trump's legal obligations are complicated campaign plans. during remarks this week he complained multiple times about how he should be on the campaign trail instead. the former president and his legal situation has not completely sidelined him from campaigning. he did hold a rally in pennsylvania last saturday and he will host another event in north carolina tonight. for the duration of the trial, expected to last six to eight weeks, his campaign schedule will be dependent on when the court is in session. while donald trump will largely be confined to the courthouse for the coming weeks, donald trump ism is alive and well and continuing to spread. the former arizona gubernatorial candidate kari lake did her best impression of the formal president, dismissing his criminal cases and using violent rhetoric. >> he is willing to sacrifice everything i am, that is why they are coming after us, they will come after us with everything and that is why the next six months will be intense. we need to st
only the first week and clear that candidate donald trump is frustrated by how much defendant trump's legal obligations are complicated campaign plans. during remarks this week he complained multiple times about how he should be on the campaign trail instead. the former president and his legal situation has not completely sidelined him from campaigning. he did hold a rally in pennsylvania last saturday and he will host another event in north carolina tonight. for the duration of the trial,...
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trump was unfaithful in his marriage and that caught me right away because donald trump so far has not admitted to this affair. and i was interested that they were bringing that up to the jurors and planting that idea right out the onset. i don't quite know the strategy. maybe they are trying to get them used to the idea. i don't know. i thought that was an interesting question. some of the issues that will come up and how everybody will deal with them. >> he also has not admitted that he lost the 2020 election. >> alicia, there is that. and i think your point, and i like -- i would like for both of you to address this. this is a reality for donald trump. that is why they are asking the question. it is part of the reality. whether donald trump gets on the stand or not, those facts can become part of the conversation. yet axios reporting on this reality and noting the fact that the frequent exasperate expressions in court seem to reflect the reality that he is not in charge anymore. alleluia. what does that mean to you, charles? what does it say to you as a prosecutor? and what does it
trump was unfaithful in his marriage and that caught me right away because donald trump so far has not admitted to this affair. and i was interested that they were bringing that up to the jurors and planting that idea right out the onset. i don't quite know the strategy. maybe they are trying to get them used to the idea. i don't know. i thought that was an interesting question. some of the issues that will come up and how everybody will deal with them. >> he also has not admitted that he...
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trump's behavior is the reason trump is on trial. biden had nothing to do with that. he is doing the smart thing. he is talking to families and workers out there while trump is doing his daily briefings trying to go after a juror or a judge. where are the democrats to be the political flank for the president, to give him the political cover he needs so that he can continue to be presidential on all these other issues that symone mentioned. i think he is doing it the right way. there is no incentive for him to do otherwise at this point. when he does, the press will be the problem. trump won't have to say anything because the press will immediately make it this political thing between him and trump and the messaging goes out the window. >> that is a good point. shout out to the members of congress frankly who are consistently going out there and talking about their agenda and congresswoman pramila jayapal was here and another congresswoman coming at the end of the hour. we have members on tomorrow. members came last week. democrats are not shying away from getting on t
trump's behavior is the reason trump is on trial. biden had nothing to do with that. he is doing the smart thing. he is talking to families and workers out there while trump is doing his daily briefings trying to go after a juror or a judge. where are the democrats to be the political flank for the president, to give him the political cover he needs so that he can continue to be presidential on all these other issues that symone mentioned. i think he is doing it the right way. there is no...
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in a trump cabinet? >> in the right position. if i'm the best person for the job, yes go >> i don't want to claim this guy. donald trump, if we are going to be honest, is a progressive. he supports imminent domain. he supported rotax increases. h has donated $300,000 to democratic candidates at the factory the republican party is now having to claim him as both unfortunate and to me inauthentic. >> i want my daughter to otgrow up in president donald j trump's america. >>, my goodness. she became the white house press secretary after all of her criticism. jen, aryou just, we talk about this a lot, but how those l people look themselves in the mirror as their souls escape their bodies through their mouths while they make this conversion. i want to add in that this all started with bill barr. he has been extraordinarily critical of donald trump in the last couple of years? calling the attempt to overturn the lake 10 a grotesque embarrassment. sing a vote for donald trump is like laying russian roulette with
in a trump cabinet? >> in the right position. if i'm the best person for the job, yes go >> i don't want to claim this guy. donald trump, if we are going to be honest, is a progressive. he supports imminent domain. he supported rotax increases. h has donated $300,000 to democratic candidates at the factory the republican party is now having to claim him as both unfortunate and to me inauthentic. >> i want my daughter to otgrow up in president donald j trump's america....
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prosecutors agreed to give attorneys to the name of one witness if trump does not post anything about that person. >>> despite threats to oust speaker mike johnson, the hardliners are opposed to additional aid for ukraine. johnson said that that is critically important. for now back to dateline. >>> welcome back to dateline. i'm craig melvin. >>> mischele lewis felt hail over heals in love with alive. fianci william allen jordan claim to be a british spy but in reality was a convicted bigamist and fraud. she was not alone. jordan at more than a dozen children with several different women around the world. but mischele was determined to be his last victim and hatched a daring plan to stop jordan once and for all. here again is dennis murphy with the mystery man. >> reporter: msnbc.com head spinning like the dry cycle on a washer and too much to take in. according to the woman, mary, and scotland, the woman engaged to mary was a rare devious career criminal and complete fraud. >> he was a phantom and does not even exist. you don't know who this person, this liam allen is. >> everything
prosecutors agreed to give attorneys to the name of one witness if trump does not post anything about that person. >>> despite threats to oust speaker mike johnson, the hardliners are opposed to additional aid for ukraine. johnson said that that is critically important. for now back to dateline. >>> welcome back to dateline. i'm craig melvin. >>> mischele lewis felt hail over heals in love with alive. fianci william allen jordan claim to be a british spy but in...
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. >>> and 12 jurors and six alternates were anytime finalized for former president donald trump trial. the trial is expected to last roughly six weeks. and now back to dateline. >> reporter: in november 2012, two years after the murders of sam and julie, while rachel buffet's former fiance was ait watching trial on murder trials, rachel was arrested and charged as an accessory. she posted bail and was released. >> i'm in shock. >> reporter: shortly after, rachel publicly announced her innocence. >> are you saying you're innocent? >> completely innocent. >> reporter: and she agreed to sit down with us because she wanted to tell her story. >> i'm innocent. that's what hurts me most, i think in the situation is there trying to say that i'm somebody that i'm not. >> reporter: who who is rachel buffet? she said a want to be actress with some very realistic dreams. >> there are a billion movies of the blood that comes from oklahoma to be a famous movie star. it is a dime in a dozen in l.a. but it is still something i can like to do. so i continue doing it. >> reporter: in the course of doin
. >>> and 12 jurors and six alternates were anytime finalized for former president donald trump trial. the trial is expected to last roughly six weeks. and now back to dateline. >> reporter: in november 2012, two years after the murders of sam and julie, while rachel buffet's former fiance was ait watching trial on murder trials, rachel was arrested and charged as an accessory. she posted bail and was released. >> i'm in shock. >> reporter: shortly after, rachel...
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we'll see where this thing ultimately goes. >> yes, whether it's from stock or trumps bibles or trumps sneakers, if there's a market for it, and these people want to buy it, why would they be victims? >> i think it's striking how few people are able to -- it's remarkable that the stock has not performed more successfully. yes, he had a couple of good days, where are the millions of trump loyalist? >> they are not in the market. >> the other reason is, you are seeing so few -- you don't have to get too technical. you're seeing so few shares trade because real money managers, pension funds, they are not buying this. because they have a fiduciary responsibility to their investors. they need to turn to their investors and say, this is the reason i purchased this stock, and they cannot give rationale. that's why it's only mom and pops and individuals. i read the washington post story as well, but donald trump has been a grifter in business for decades and decades. he has gone bankrupt six times. the last time he had a publicly traded company, it went right down the tube. if you choose to bu
we'll see where this thing ultimately goes. >> yes, whether it's from stock or trumps bibles or trumps sneakers, if there's a market for it, and these people want to buy it, why would they be victims? >> i think it's striking how few people are able to -- it's remarkable that the stock has not performed more successfully. yes, he had a couple of good days, where are the millions of trump loyalist? >> they are not in the market. >> the other reason is, you are seeing so...
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trump has already violated the gag order at least seven times this week alone giving trump the name sunday limits the timem he has to violate the gag order before court resumes on monday. also happening on monday, 10:00 a.m. eastern, just 30 minutes after opening statements kick off in his criminal trial donald trump's other attorneys will head just down the street to a different manhattan courthouse for a civil fraud case hearing that could threaten hundreds ofu millions of dollars in his assets. today new york attorney general leticia james asked the judge to void donald trump's $175 million bond in the case siting concerns that the bond company might not actually have the funds to back it up. >>> leading off our discussion tonight adam a fellow at just security who is covering the trial for the last word, also with us joyce a former united states attorney and a professor at the university of alabama school of law. she is co host of the hash tag sisters in law podcast and an msnbc analyst. thank you for being here. all right, trump's claiming he will be a witness. the judge will rule mon
trump has already violated the gag order at least seven times this week alone giving trump the name sunday limits the timem he has to violate the gag order before court resumes on monday. also happening on monday, 10:00 a.m. eastern, just 30 minutes after opening statements kick off in his criminal trial donald trump's other attorneys will head just down the street to a different manhattan courthouse for a civil fraud case hearing that could threaten hundreds ofu millions of dollars in his...
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it wasn't a confession that she was biased against trump but defendant donald trump's project all along has been to distort the truth surrounding this trial to attack the process, to undermine the judicial system. in yet another last-ditch effort this afternoon, trumps lawyers tried to get an emergency stay from a new york state appeals court, arguing there was no possible way for trump to get a fair trial in manhattan. the response from the district attorney, alvin bragg's office was simple . with the last week has shown is that the jury selection has worked. "we have 18 ordinary new yorkers who are ready to serve. it would be unfair to them and the public for this trial to be delayed further." the appeals court judge agreed and rejected trump's request. right now, the good news is amidst all the intensity and the rock is, the judicial system so far has not meant to trumps attacks. despite what he says, the system is working for the former president, just like it would for any other american. at the end of today, a full jury in a 12 member jury with 6 alternates was seated. donald trum
it wasn't a confession that she was biased against trump but defendant donald trump's project all along has been to distort the truth surrounding this trial to attack the process, to undermine the judicial system. in yet another last-ditch effort this afternoon, trumps lawyers tried to get an emergency stay from a new york state appeals court, arguing there was no possible way for trump to get a fair trial in manhattan. the response from the district attorney, alvin bragg's office was simple ....
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all eyes are on trump. if his trial wasn't going on, we are not sitting outside his home, everyone is sitting outside that courthouse. i wonder, how is that going to impact campaign coverage? >> maybe president biden will read the transcripts of court proceedings every night. >> he has been using it a bit. i hope he takes this opportunity that he has, biden, to do something good and to express look at me, i am out on the campaign trail because i am not in a courtroom because i have committed crimes. >> you are also talking about the national press. all politics is local. he is going around the country getting local coverage, reaching out and talking to people >> right. >> i think the only thing, back to your original question, will be a guilty verdict. >> lots of people are assuming there will be a guilty verdict. it has been months and months. when is there going to be a trial. doesn't mean he is going to be found guilty. and if he is not, then what? >> oh, boy. i don't even want to think about it. >> then
all eyes are on trump. if his trial wasn't going on, we are not sitting outside his home, everyone is sitting outside that courthouse. i wonder, how is that going to impact campaign coverage? >> maybe president biden will read the transcripts of court proceedings every night. >> he has been using it a bit. i hope he takes this opportunity that he has, biden, to do something good and to express look at me, i am out on the campaign trail because i am not in a courtroom because i have...
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trump. today on day four of the trial, the full panel of 12 jurors and six alternates were shown in to consider donald trump's fate in the historic first criminal trial of a former u.s. president. judge marchand told the court that the opening statements would start on monday. that did not stop donald trump's lawyers to try to delay the case. this is at least the tenth time the trump team has been denied a trial delay request. donald trump isn't going to stop the wheels of justice from turning on monday. a key question is whether or not he'll be a witness in his own criminal trial. this is what donald trump told reporters today. >> are you going to testify? >> yes. >> now, this is donald trump we're talking about. his yes can't really be taken at face value. especially when we know what sorts of questions donald trump could be facing from prosecutors. after jury selection was complete, the judge held a sandoval hearing where prosecutors revealed the lawsuits they plan on using in cross-exami
trump. today on day four of the trial, the full panel of 12 jurors and six alternates were shown in to consider donald trump's fate in the historic first criminal trial of a former u.s. president. judge marchand told the court that the opening statements would start on monday. that did not stop donald trump's lawyers to try to delay the case. this is at least the tenth time the trump team has been denied a trial delay request. donald trump isn't going to stop the wheels of justice from turning...
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it went 87% for biden. >> one said i don't think i can vote for trump. >> a video that donald trump posted. what vaughn was talking about the former juror number one the one that asked to be released from the trial because she said that what was written meant that she could no longer be fair. defending donald trump's process is to under mine the judicial system. trump's lawyers tried to get an emergency state from an appeals court. argueing there's no possible way for trump to get a fair trial in manhattan. the response from the district attorney alvin braggs office was simple, what the last week has shown is the jury selection has worked. he continued, we have 18 ordinary new yorkers who are ready to serve. it would be unfair to them and the public for this trial to be delayed further end quote. the appeals court judge agreed and quickly rejected trump's request. right now the good news is amongst all the ruckus, the judicial system has not bent to trump's attacks. despite what he says, the system is working for the former president. just like it would for any other person. at the end of
it went 87% for biden. >> one said i don't think i can vote for trump. >> a video that donald trump posted. what vaughn was talking about the former juror number one the one that asked to be released from the trial because she said that what was written meant that she could no longer be fair. defending donald trump's process is to under mine the judicial system. trump's lawyers tried to get an emergency state from an appeals court. argueing there's no possible way for trump to get a...
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that's the phrase. >> donald trump? well, i mean just like the person we're describing here like those he put his own interest over the interest of society? >> never thought of it that way. it's a 50-year-old case. we also see the line over and over but what you do is you are looking for crimes that go to theft, fraud, lying. >> as it just crimes? >> it doesn't have to be convictions. it can be bad acts in their life that go to this particular issue. >> but i hear the term presidential -- present prejudicial. >> overly prejudicial. the judge needs to balance. the last thing you want is a jury that convicts this person because he's a bad guy so i looked over what the people want to go into on the danger with some of this is that some of it may be considered a little bit too much like what the defendant is charged with in this case and that's another problem. and that's another problem. you don't want the jury to think he has a propensity to do this. >> is a judge you don't want that, you want to be careful not to establi
that's the phrase. >> donald trump? well, i mean just like the person we're describing here like those he put his own interest over the interest of society? >> never thought of it that way. it's a 50-year-old case. we also see the line over and over but what you do is you are looking for crimes that go to theft, fraud, lying. >> as it just crimes? >> it doesn't have to be convictions. it can be bad acts in their life that go to this particular issue. >> but i hear...
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she said i agree with mary trump. some individuals cannot pair the form of being restrained by individuals. they are available outside the courtroom. as soon as that name is released we know what he's going to do. >> well, a few things. first, their nonrelease, it's not a small point. you can guarantee that the two trump lawyers are going to have a hellish weekend. it's one thing to prepare solidly to cross-examine someone you know will be, but it could be anyone at all. that's a serious sort of sanction for his misbehavior. but second, yes, it is exactly as you say, there's been on the one hand, judge merchan made quick work of things, but yet there are these eruptions of kind of chaos and stress and we have almost a tale of two trials. and as it goes forward, those will be the sort of high points that people remember and this trial could be really freighted going forward or it could stay smooth. it's been two different kinds of weeks, it seems to me. >> if you were prosecuting this case, who would you call first? be
she said i agree with mary trump. some individuals cannot pair the form of being restrained by individuals. they are available outside the courtroom. as soon as that name is released we know what he's going to do. >> well, a few things. first, their nonrelease, it's not a small point. you can guarantee that the two trump lawyers are going to have a hellish weekend. it's one thing to prepare solidly to cross-examine someone you know will be, but it could be anyone at all. that's a serious...
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trump's office and discuss the issue with him. he acknowledged to allen that he was going to pay the $130,000 and that allen and i should go back to his office and figure out how to do it. >> you could expect consistent testimony to that end from cohen before these jurors. the legal problems, of course, are adding up and that is where this man who has chosen to run for president again, many people in this situation wouldn't even do that, is going to have to face some level of public exposure and context as people learn about this stuff. same way that the january 6 hearings showed a lot of evidence to the public which they then fact or in. but they're going to be asked to focus only on the evidence in new york. prosecutors will be chipping away at this defendant and they will be making these arguments. and in this lead tonight we focused on the prosecution's case. we know more about it as a fact all matter, because we have the indictment. there is no published thing in the advance, the burden is on the prosecution, so if you are th
trump's office and discuss the issue with him. he acknowledged to allen that he was going to pay the $130,000 and that allen and i should go back to his office and figure out how to do it. >> you could expect consistent testimony to that end from cohen before these jurors. the legal problems, of course, are adding up and that is where this man who has chosen to run for president again, many people in this situation wouldn't even do that, is going to have to face some level of public...
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this is not directly related to donald trump's trial or even donald trump, but this is a man who is alleged a vast conspiracy that includes the american government, politicians, university, major financial figures. and i won't go further down the rabbit hole, but i can tell you this is not somebody who is a partisan. it apparently seems to be, but somebody who has gone down a rabbit hole of conspiracy theories that led them to use this mass media moment for the act that this person engaged in. of course the headline that we're looking at is the fact that we've got a jury and we're looking at potential opening statements this upcoming monday morning. we don't know exactly who the witnesses are going to be first call. you said about the sandoval hearing, the sandoval hearing where currently these potential cases, past trial determinations from the e. jean carroll suit to the fraud trial, if donald trump were to testify there are current deliberations to the extent which the prosecution could cross examine donald trump about those cases. this will come down to the determination of the judge in
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it's a much longer list of prior evidence, of prior cases involving trump and his trump corporation, the defamation case. there's a much longer list than you normally see of prior bad conduct, and i think the judge needs to really make a tough decision here, if trump testifies, what he's going to allow in, and what's going to be unduly prejudiced. . >> the rule against character evidence is so important. i say this as a criminal defense attorney, take what i say with a block of salt. there's a rule that you can't introduce bad things somebody has done in the past. it's a rule with so many exceptions, it might as well not be a rule at all. in new york, the procedure is essentially a sandoval hearing, and what they're doing is giving trump a preview of what they would like to introduce as those prior bad acts if the judge lets them. if it were up to the state, the prosecutors, they will enter all manner of bad acts. that's why you have a hearing. generally speaking in the federal courts a 404b hearing, the rule differs slightly from jurisdiction to jurisdiction. they balance the probat
it's a much longer list of prior evidence, of prior cases involving trump and his trump corporation, the defamation case. there's a much longer list than you normally see of prior bad conduct, and i think the judge needs to really make a tough decision here, if trump testifies, what he's going to allow in, and what's going to be unduly prejudiced. . >> the rule against character evidence is so important. i say this as a criminal defense attorney, take what i say with a block of salt....
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it may not have anything to do with trump or the trump trial at all. it may. it could. it also could be the location of the center of attention of the country in the world. >> whether it does or not, yasmin, as we were discussing with our lawyers and the folks on scene, lisa and sue earlier, the question is what impact this will have on the trial, what impact will it have on that sandoval hearing scheduled this afternoon. what impact will it have on the potential to start to get the meat of the trial underway on monday. we are expecting to hear from juan merchan at 3:15, whether he'll keep that, we don't know. that's the schedule right now, right? >> reporter: it is the schedule, chris, and i was speaking to folks, whether or not we thought the judge could delay the sandoval hearing. the hearing is expected to take an hour or so. if they're able to wrap that up, they would then be excused for the weekend and they would start proceedings monday morning, possibly opening arguments. i would say that the instinct that we have right now considering how the judge has run thin
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and pro-trump protesters. since monday, there have been fewer and fewer people, and quite honestly, in the last day or so, there have been maybe one, maybe two, maybe three with a t random flag walking around thisa cordoned off area. this man, this individual was in there honestly on his own with maybe one or two other individuals, 20 or 25 feet away from him as he set this fire himself on fire. we now have ems who have taken the individual away. they're obviously tryingvi to g him medical attention as quickly as possible, and again, i want toos reiterate to you because we're following this breaking news, this historic moment in this jury has been impanelled in this hush money trial involving the former president of the united states and setting the stage for what willing the next six weeks as we watch all of this evidence come out throughout this trial, and then subsequently within that very moment an individual just 50 feet away from all of this press and from this courthouse behind me t setting himself on f
and pro-trump protesters. since monday, there have been fewer and fewer people, and quite honestly, in the last day or so, there have been maybe one, maybe two, maybe three with a t random flag walking around thisa cordoned off area. this man, this individual was in there honestly on his own with maybe one or two other individuals, 20 or 25 feet away from him as he set this fire himself on fire. we now have ems who have taken the individual away. they're obviously tryingvi to g him medical...
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contrary to what president trump -- former president trump has been saying, the europeans have outpaced us in spending this year. while we have had that senate package sitting and not voted on in the house, they need air defenses. they need atacms. russia has long-range missiles from north korea. >> thanks for having me on. i think i have had multiple trips to ukraine. i've come back generally optimistic about the ukrainians' prospects. this one was by far the most disturbing trip. the main challenges arise from what amounts to a complete shutdown of support from the u.s. for the past six months. it's resulted in major short shortfalls in ammunition. the russians are outshooting the ukrainians ten rounds to one. the russians have honed in on a new tactic where they drop massive, enormously destructive bombs that they fire from 70 kilometers away. because we haven't been providing intercepters, the ukrainians aren't able to shoot those planes down that are launching the bombs. in general, the russians are producing more drones. they are producing more than the ukrainians. they are losing
contrary to what president trump -- former president trump has been saying, the europeans have outpaced us in spending this year. while we have had that senate package sitting and not voted on in the house, they need air defenses. they need atacms. russia has long-range missiles from north korea. >> thanks for having me on. i think i have had multiple trips to ukraine. i've come back generally optimistic about the ukrainians' prospects. this one was by far the most disturbing trip. the...
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a reminder, trump pleaded not guilty to all 34 counts. joining us now from outside the courthouse, nbc news correspondent yasmin vossoughian, and with us barbara mckwid, former u.s. attorney in michigan and msnbc legal analyst and david henderson, civil rights attorney and former prosecutor. what is the latest from inside the courthouse this morning? >> reporter: we started out with 22 today, we're down to 19. three so far have been excused from the jury pool that showed up early this morning. one of them because of fear and anxiety, fear for her identity being revealed, one saying after thinking about it overnight, doesn't think they can necessarily be impartial. we have got some interesting characters, jose in this jury pool, which are fairly interesting when we get to the voir dire portion of the q&a, when they ask their own questions of the potential jurors. let me read the quotes from inside the courtroom from the potential jurors. the one that was excused said i don't think i can be fair and impartial. this was a potential juror who
a reminder, trump pleaded not guilty to all 34 counts. joining us now from outside the courthouse, nbc news correspondent yasmin vossoughian, and with us barbara mckwid, former u.s. attorney in michigan and msnbc legal analyst and david henderson, civil rights attorney and former prosecutor. what is the latest from inside the courthouse this morning? >> reporter: we started out with 22 today, we're down to 19. three so far have been excused from the jury pool that showed up early this...
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does what donald trump wants to do. the courtesy of the telling the other side who the next witness or few witnesses are going to be, that is a courtesy that's generally extended because each party wants the other party to extend the same courtesy to them. in this case, the prosecution has said with what they believe to be violations of the gag order that have taken place, they're not going to extend that courtesy. that makes it tough for the defense in a couple of ways, one obviously they don't know which witness to prepare for. i mean, they're prepared for all the witnesses, but it's always a little different when you know exactly who is coming up next. they're not going to know that. thousand, of course during the direct examination of each witness, they'll have an opportunity to get their notes together and pull their files, so it's not devastating, but what judge merchan said is there's no rule that says they have to do that for you. they said they're not going to do it. that's their choice. >> but again, joyce, it
does what donald trump wants to do. the courtesy of the telling the other side who the next witness or few witnesses are going to be, that is a courtesy that's generally extended because each party wants the other party to extend the same courtesy to them. in this case, the prosecution has said with what they believe to be violations of the gag order that have taken place, they're not going to extend that courtesy. that makes it tough for the defense in a couple of ways, one obviously they...
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trump. you know, he said very explicitly, "if we don't stop putin in ukraine, he will roll further, perhaps into the balkans or against poland or another nato ally." this was like an out of body experience for mike johnson. as a rank and file nobody in congress, he voted against all previous ukraine assistance packages. you know, what does it mean? i do think it is important. he is obviously not a resistance hero yet, joe, right? he is endorsing donald trump. in the end, ukraine's fate, it hinges not on this $60 billion, which is crucial right now, but on what happens in the u.s. election this fall, i think. >> right. when you're a back bencher and you're worried about your district, that's one thing. when you actually, david french, are speaker of the house and you get briefings and you get intel briefings and you suddenly understand that fisa is needed to stop the next islamic radical attack on the united states or the next attack from some other force outside the united states, suddenly,
trump. you know, he said very explicitly, "if we don't stop putin in ukraine, he will roll further, perhaps into the balkans or against poland or another nato ally." this was like an out of body experience for mike johnson. as a rank and file nobody in congress, he voted against all previous ukraine assistance packages. you know, what does it mean? i do think it is important. he is obviously not a resistance hero yet, joe, right? he is endorsing donald trump. in the end, ukraine's...
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>>> jury selection in trump pfs hush money criminal trial is almost complete. the process resumes this morning. the jurors made up of 7 men and five women, one alternate was also chosen, but five more alternates are still needed. the process appears to move faster than expected yesterday after two jurors seated on tuesday were excused at the start of the proceedings. one said she was not sure she could remain impartial after identifying information about her was made public. another was excused following concerns from prosecutors that one of his answers during questioning wasn't accurate. if none of the jurors are excused jury selection should wrap up as soon as today. judge juan merchan sez he's hopeful opening arguments will begin monday. a former u.s. attorney for the district of columbia. thanks for waking up early. your reaction to the speed at which these jurors and alternate jurors were selected yesterday i think i thought and many of us would have thought this was going to go a little more slowly. >> pretty surprising, ali. and i think it's a tribute to
>>> jury selection in trump pfs hush money criminal trial is almost complete. the process resumes this morning. the jurors made up of 7 men and five women, one alternate was also chosen, but five more alternates are still needed. the process appears to move faster than expected yesterday after two jurors seated on tuesday were excused at the start of the proceedings. one said she was not sure she could remain impartial after identifying information about her was made public. another...
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as you know, in 2008, it was canceled by the trump administration and they had an agreement and that u.s. bowed out of it but europeans try to keep them in it but then iran waited about a year and they started breaking out big s time and as they were increasing the sanctions by the u.s., they believe that they had the right to do that because the u.s. had broken its part of the deal pick whether they did or not, they were violating other agreements. but the fact is, that they are now where they are, the u.n. inspectors are not anymore with watching with their cameras and their inspections. and iran has reached these incredible levels. and you're right, netanyahu has always wanted to take that on others and the other facilities that they manage to surgically decapitate, assassinate iran's top nuclear scientist but a lot of that knowledge was, did not eliminate the program. as you know, the obama administration had tried to forge that multilateral deal with constantly plagued by netanyahu, any invitation to washington, speaking, invited by the republicans, asking the y white house to g
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we have seen in the past, when the united states killed under president trump in 2020 there was a big expedition of a big iranian response. in fact, it was a relatively limited response against the he american bases in the region that didn't cause huge amounts of damage and that was the end of it. president trump did it retaliate at that point because everybody assumed they had gotten what they wanted out of it. we don't know whether or not the israelis have done something here that will force the iranians to feel like they have to do something back in order to save face or whether they have done something that the iranians can shrug off and say, well, i didn't really hurt us, we are going to keep going. you heard the threat, abc, from the foreign minister of iran yesterday. what the biden admin's point of this point in the evening is starting to cackle late what are the odds of a response? how would that work? and the involvement with the american forces have with that? they're not participating in this event action tonight but they have committed to continuing to participate in defe
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with donald trump. because clearly a judge in a case like this has the appeal on his mind all the time. he knows if there is a guilty verdict here that donald trump is going to want to appeal this in as many ways in as many angles as he possibly can. is there something that the judge has to worry about in the possible appeals future of this case that inhibits him in policing, right now, donald trump's conduct, for example, including attacking jurors? >> yes. so the judge is absolutely right to worry about in appeal. trump is going to file an appeal if he is convicted no matter what, and trial judges generally have a lot of discretion over how to run their trials. so the thumb on the scale is going to be in favor of the judge but that doesn't give them an unlimited blank check. i think today generally was a good day. they took eight steps forward and only two back. that is a good day in the trump trial world because they are trying to find 12 people in the world in manhattan who don't have strong feeling
with donald trump. because clearly a judge in a case like this has the appeal on his mind all the time. he knows if there is a guilty verdict here that donald trump is going to want to appeal this in as many ways in as many angles as he possibly can. is there something that the judge has to worry about in the possible appeals future of this case that inhibits him in policing, right now, donald trump's conduct, for example, including attacking jurors? >> yes. so the judge is absolutely...
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trump offers no loyalty. time and time again, he has betrayed, humiliating, ousted, ended their careers of republicans who have humiliated themselves sucking up to him. we are almost a decade into this phenomenon. you would think by now republicans would understand that they have no protection. but at the same time, i think that the calculation a lot of them are making is that donald trump might not guarantee me anything, but the voters, the voters that elect me love donald trump and at the very least, if i am on board with him, they won't revolt against me right away. i really think that is the calculation they are making. again, i don't see how that applies to bill barr who is not running for anything. i would like to see more reporting on what led him to this decision. >> me too. the policy doesn't exist in the loyalty is nonexistence. okay, bill. thank you for your time, it is great to see you as always. >>> russian state media is saying that marjorie taylor- green believes americans should help vladimir
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trump is spicey. and i on occasion use language that is spicier than i am pleased to see right now and turned around and said i apologize to you. the defense thought it was insincere and an effort on her part. >> i swear, i love the guy. >> not that it was a close call. >> he ultimately struck her for cause. the two challenges there's cause you are not using a and they used their preemptories and they get new ones. >> they get new ones and they are doing the same process all over again. what you have to understand is it is a trial. so anything can happen. someone can get sick. your kid can get sick for a day and you literally cannot miss an hour of testimony because if you do, you are now no longer qualified to deliberate on the case. so you need those alternates the same level of scrutiny you have applied, you have to apply with your alternates. i've tried a bunch of cases and a number of them we've had to rely on alternates even in jury deliberations after that started because something happened dur
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or against trump? >> i think it's highly unlikely. it's much less likely than john grisham or movie director might have you believe. what's much more likely is that people may think that they can set aside their prejudices but all people always have subconscious feelings. i think realistically, the biggest thing that trump is looking for are not a hidden mole. they would have trouble finding that person if that person existed. i really think his lawyers are looking for people who look at the obvious and see things that are not obvious. the people who think that maybe there is a flat earth or maybe we're all part of a computer simulation. looking for people who are a little unusual. and see the world differently, but i don't really think you have to be too worried about the diabolical john grisham-like scenario. >> i mean, if you walk into the jury room wearing a maga hat saying birds aren't real and you're a patriots fan, maybe they think you're pro trump. katie, one of the other elements of this is, a
or against trump? >> i think it's highly unlikely. it's much less likely than john grisham or movie director might have you believe. what's much more likely is that people may think that they can set aside their prejudices but all people always have subconscious feelings. i think realistically, the biggest thing that trump is looking for are not a hidden mole. they would have trouble finding that person if that person existed. i really think his lawyers are looking for people who look at...
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trump is presumed innocent. if gold bars shows corruption, the fact that politics is in the background, politics, that's how you get elected doesn't exonerate. how important do you think it is for the da to make sure the jury understands if this is done right, it's not that it's donald trump, it's that there's serious allegations of misconduct and being in government at any level is not supposed to be a license to be above the law. >> and they have to keep it simple because they are going to hear from an adult film star and a play boy model because it's necessary. that provides the necessary background and explains why he and his lawyer who will also be testifying, his former lawyer, explains why he with the intent of the fraud and concealed another crime put false entries in his business records which is a crime in new york state. people may think, oh, this is so frivolous, but it is a crime in new york state to do that. the prosecutor has to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that he did it with the intent to def
trump is presumed innocent. if gold bars shows corruption, the fact that politics is in the background, politics, that's how you get elected doesn't exonerate. how important do you think it is for the da to make sure the jury understands if this is done right, it's not that it's donald trump, it's that there's serious allegations of misconduct and being in government at any level is not supposed to be a license to be above the law. >> and they have to keep it simple because they are going...
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apologizing to donald trump. after some back and forth about whether this juror should be able to sit as part of the jury, the judge ordered her to be struck. but this is a moment here where donald trump and his presidency and post presidency have drawn strong emotions out of a great number of human beings. those are coming out in realtime. folks are being questioned on the spot in front of donald trump about some of those social media posts that his defense attorneys are rightfully and to their ability to bring up inside of the courtroom. but it's very transparent here that this is a difficult process that's playing out. >> two more jurors have been seated since vaughn has been reporting. i don't know who his sources are, but it sounds like the kind of world view someone like steve bannon might have. the idea that this is a communist-style show trial, this is a sex scandal where he was too sloppy to do the books in a full manner. >> i want to maybe take this to what can happen now to protect the jurors short of
apologizing to donald trump. after some back and forth about whether this juror should be able to sit as part of the jury, the judge ordered her to be struck. but this is a moment here where donald trump and his presidency and post presidency have drawn strong emotions out of a great number of human beings. those are coming out in realtime. folks are being questioned on the spot in front of donald trump about some of those social media posts that his defense attorneys are rightfully and to...
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trump. >> you know, he looked less orange. definitely, like more yellowish. yellow. he doesn't look angry. i think he looks bored, like he wants this to finish. and go do his stuff. >> now, throughout this process, trump has been very active on social media reposting false or unproven claims about the jury pool. prosecutors say trump has been violating the partial gag order. joining us now from outside the manhattan courthouse, our yasmin vossoughian. also with us, msnbc legal analyst, charles coleman, a former new york prosecutor, and catherine christian, former assistant manhattan district attorney. yasmin, get us up to speed. there was a break. since they came back from that lunch break, what's happening inside the courtroom? >> reporter: they're in voir dire now. steinglass who's one of the attorneys for the people is asking his questions to this potential jury. and then after that, he'll be followed by todd blanche or attorneys for the former president, and they'll get 30 minutes to ask
trump. >> you know, he looked less orange. definitely, like more yellowish. yellow. he doesn't look angry. i think he looks bored, like he wants this to finish. and go do his stuff. >> now, throughout this process, trump has been very active on social media reposting false or unproven claims about the jury pool. prosecutors say trump has been violating the partial gag order. joining us now from outside the manhattan courthouse, our yasmin vossoughian. also with us, msnbc legal...
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duda coming to meet him at trump tower shows that trump is in the driver's seat, the powerful people come to him, just as when he was interviewing cabinet secretaries, you know, and each of them walked through a parade, into trump tower, a sign of how many people were at donald trump's beck and call to serve in his administration. here, though duda and he don't agree on everything, his goal is to show the shower comes to the thrown and that donald trump still controls that thrown. >> well, speaking of who's in the driver's seat, there are a lot of folks questioning who's in the driver's seat in the house, and governor kasich, there's an op-ed for fox news entitled marjorie taylor greene is an idiot. she's trying to wreck the gop. it's written by liz peak who writes in part, it's high time somebody tell marjorie taylor greene to turn off the bombastic self-serving showmanship energy on democrats and stop trying to defeat her own party. >> call somebody else a name. >> who is the person she listens to anyway, how does she wield so much power? you have been in the house. >> she gets cov
duda coming to meet him at trump tower shows that trump is in the driver's seat, the powerful people come to him, just as when he was interviewing cabinet secretaries, you know, and each of them walked through a parade, into trump tower, a sign of how many people were at donald trump's beck and call to serve in his administration. here, though duda and he don't agree on everything, his goal is to show the shower comes to the thrown and that donald trump still controls that thrown. >>...
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and worse for trump. it's voting results. you don't normally have that. generally lawyers have an idea of what kinds of folks are in a particular jurisdiction, and manhattan is a very different culturally jurisdiction than say staten island, and normally working class folks, people who have ties to law enforcement, those are people that defense attorneys like me do not want on the jury at all costs. they are for cause strikes. you don't even need to use preemptories most of the time. there is a bit of a reversal here in that donald trump wants people that traditionally criminal defense attorneys do not want on the jury, and probably to some degree the people are looking to seat jurors that ordinarily they might not want on a jury themselves. but ultimately, jury selection is a science the way astrolog your is a science. you can make generalizations about jurors in a particular jury pool. the case will come down to the facts. two things, number one, i think the self-selection process has actually been a go
and worse for trump. it's voting results. you don't normally have that. generally lawyers have an idea of what kinds of folks are in a particular jurisdiction, and manhattan is a very different culturally jurisdiction than say staten island, and normally working class folks, people who have ties to law enforcement, those are people that defense attorneys like me do not want on the jury at all costs. they are for cause strikes. you don't even need to use preemptories most of the time. there is a...
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he is showing tremendous courage. >> what about the fact that president trump -- former president trump has been very negative about the ukraine aid, wants it to be alone? there can be arguments for that. they have been arguing it to be done through the repo of taking russian assets. there's only $3 billion under our control. they are talking about doing that in june or addressing it in june. most of that russian money is frozen for some reason beyond my -- it's in belgium. there's more in japan. it's not the $61 billion that is going to provide the particular weapons that you just said are so important to ukraine right now, air defenses we can provide. >> you are right. we are seeing every day ukrainians are dying because of russian shelling and the need for air defense in ukraine. as you are aware, a good chunk of this money goes to replenish u.s. stocks. if you break down the portion that ukraine is getting, it's not -- it's a smaller portion overall of the amount of money that's being approved. even so, the united states has contributed less than half of all aid -- military and huma
he is showing tremendous courage. >> what about the fact that president trump -- former president trump has been very negative about the ukraine aid, wants it to be alone? there can be arguments for that. they have been arguing it to be done through the repo of taking russian assets. there's only $3 billion under our control. they are talking about doing that in june or addressing it in june. most of that russian money is frozen for some reason beyond my -- it's in belgium. there's more...
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former president trump. as someone who served as a lead prosecutor in his first impeachment trial, what do you make of how the proceedings are going so far? >> i'm very impressed that you could have a situation where in a courtroom, in a city, in america, 12 ordinary citizens are going to decide whether a former president of the united states is guilty or innocent of charges brought against him. that's a pretty remarkable scene. it is a pretty remarkable, you know, accomplishment for any country and for our democracy that justice is applied to everyone, and the fact that they have gotten through what may be half of the jury selection already is remarkable. the fact that opening statements could begin as soon as next week is quite incredible. and since justice has been so long delayed in the case of donald trump, with his legal team successfully putting off this reckoning, that reckoning, to finally have him have to face justice is, i think, quite an aformation of the system finally. >> congressman, last satu
former president trump. as someone who served as a lead prosecutor in his first impeachment trial, what do you make of how the proceedings are going so far? >> i'm very impressed that you could have a situation where in a courtroom, in a city, in america, 12 ordinary citizens are going to decide whether a former president of the united states is guilty or innocent of charges brought against him. that's a pretty remarkable scene. it is a pretty remarkable, you know, accomplishment for any...
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s office and trump, trump's lawyers see some potential upside to having some lawyers in the jury room in this case. there's going to be some fairly technical element of the case, that it would be helpful to both sides conceivably that the d.a.'s office or the defense to have a lawyer who's in the jury deliberations, two evidently, who might be able to sort of help the jurors through the process of like navigating some of this. the nature of this case, we call it a sort of hush money case for shorthand, but it's a falsifying business records case. there are technical elements of this that will be tricky for jurors. they will figure it out, of course. >> falsifying business records to cover up a second crime, which makes the initial falsifying records go from a misdemeanor to a felony charge, you're right, it could be complicated legally. thank you so much all for joining this conversation. harry, thank you for being with us. vaughn, barbara, ankush, stay close. we're going to keep our close eyes and ears on that manhattan courthouse and update you with the latest on jury selection in t
s office and trump, trump's lawyers see some potential upside to having some lawyers in the jury room in this case. there's going to be some fairly technical element of the case, that it would be helpful to both sides conceivably that the d.a.'s office or the defense to have a lawyer who's in the jury deliberations, two evidently, who might be able to sort of help the jurors through the process of like navigating some of this. the nature of this case, we call it a sort of hush money case for...
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donald trump. barr now says he will vote for the three-time loser. >> yeah, i think we forget that bill barr is a idealogical guy. he has a mean demeanor, and people have mistaken him for being centrist. he's not. if you read his book, memoir, as much as he is criticizing trump and the progressive left, he has very strong conservative views. i think this is, you know -- this is about partisanship, ultimately. in the end, people come home to their parties. they can tune out the clips you played and say, "well, that was then, and this is now. i'll go for my party over what i said before." you're right. bill barr is a striking example of this because there's probably no witness against trump who has been more powerful, in some ways, than bill barr, who testified before the january 6th committee that he told the president, then the president, president trump, that his claims of an election theft by joe biden were b.s. he used the full word. he made very clear that when former president trump, when then
donald trump. barr now says he will vote for the three-time loser. >> yeah, i think we forget that bill barr is a idealogical guy. he has a mean demeanor, and people have mistaken him for being centrist. he's not. if you read his book, memoir, as much as he is criticizing trump and the progressive left, he has very strong conservative views. i think this is, you know -- this is about partisanship, ultimately. in the end, people come home to their parties. they can tune out the clips you...
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trump loves that. it's really this shadow messaging at work that's going on that he's really savoring it. >> i mean they're filling the vacuum. it's not just people like laura loomer, elon musk, people in the social media atmosphere who are amplifying this. it's also coming from people on capitol hill, right? >> oh, yeah. he's got more people in the senate. he's got, you know, the byron donalds of the world, elise stefanik -- >> vp aspirations. also has vp aspirations. >> all of these folks on talking points. my reporting tells me they have been with the trump campaign how they can be helpful and they've been told blanket the air waves, do more and more media hits. and those make for sound bites that trump on truth social he hits repost. >> that is the currency within trump world, right, is media amplification and getting people out to all fall in line. even when you see bill barr now saying he's going to vote for the former president again it's very significant. they fall in line and we're watching th
trump loves that. it's really this shadow messaging at work that's going on that he's really savoring it. >> i mean they're filling the vacuum. it's not just people like laura loomer, elon musk, people in the social media atmosphere who are amplifying this. it's also coming from people on capitol hill, right? >> oh, yeah. he's got more people in the senate. he's got, you know, the byron donalds of the world, elise stefanik -- >> vp aspirations. also has vp aspirations....
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but that's classic donald trump. donald trump thinks the rules don't apply to him. >> so far it really feels like and you wrote to this in the atlantic this is proceeding in a pace in an almost humdrum fashion with the exception of these outbursts. judge merchan has not been playing around with this gag order, right? we know i think it was a few hours ago trump reposted on truth social this claim from jesse waters of fox. "they are catching undercover liberal activists lying to the judge in order to get on the trump jury." so sayth, jesse waters. does that run up to the line of violating the gag order? does that flirt with it, or is that fair game? >> it's not fair game because it's a lie. there's no evidence to support it. and if he were referring to specific individuals and trying to intimidate them, it would violate the gag order. and just think he's trying to poison the well in the public domain to say nothing here is fair, it can't be fair. people in manhattan can't be fair to me even though he's spent his entir
but that's classic donald trump. donald trump thinks the rules don't apply to him. >> so far it really feels like and you wrote to this in the atlantic this is proceeding in a pace in an almost humdrum fashion with the exception of these outbursts. judge merchan has not been playing around with this gag order, right? we know i think it was a few hours ago trump reposted on truth social this claim from jesse waters of fox. "they are catching undercover liberal activists lying to the...